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need RAM recommendation - please help
"glee" wrote in message ... "Paul" wrote in message ... Adam wrote: Need RAM recommendation for the following motherboard ... - ASUS M5A99X Evo - AM3+ - 990X - SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 - ATX DDR3 2133 Motherboards I am thinking about the following ... - Crucial Ballistix 240-Pin DDR3 but need help with the specific model and amount (at least 8 GB due to VirtualBox/VM usage). Check the customer reviews on Newegg, for each product you are interested in. Some RAM has a high enough failure rate, you should stay away from it. The customer reviews, tells you what to avoid. Well I wouldn't go solely by some customer reviews. RAM by all the major suppliers (Crucial, Corsair, etc) is all good. Better to use RAM from the approved list suggested by the board maker Asus. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ Thanks, the customer reviews led me to the following ... G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBRL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231315 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231429 But, they are not listed in the approved list suggested by the board maker Asus. Are these models okay or not? What is the difference between the two models above? And, how is G.SKILL vs Crucial vs Corsair? |
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need RAM recommendation - please help
Adam wrote:
"glee" wrote in message ... "Paul" wrote in message ... Adam wrote: Need RAM recommendation for the following motherboard ... - ASUS M5A99X Evo - AM3+ - 990X - SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 - ATX DDR3 2133 Motherboards I am thinking about the following ... - Crucial Ballistix 240-Pin DDR3 but need help with the specific model and amount (at least 8 GB due to VirtualBox/VM usage). Check the customer reviews on Newegg, for each product you are interested in. Some RAM has a high enough failure rate, you should stay away from it. The customer reviews, tells you what to avoid. Well I wouldn't go solely by some customer reviews. RAM by all the major suppliers (Crucial, Corsair, etc) is all good. Better to use RAM from the approved list suggested by the board maker Asus. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ Thanks, the customer reviews led me to the following ... G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBRL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231315 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231429 But, they are not listed in the approved list suggested by the board maker Asus. Are these models okay or not? What is the difference between the two models above? And, how is G.SKILL vs Crucial vs Corsair? F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL "XMP for Intel capable" http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=358 F3-12800CL9Q-16GBRL (looks to be the same, only the tested motherboard list, as tested by them, looks older...) http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=335 Note that the modules are pretty tall, and you should check there is sufficient clearance underneath the CPU cooler. When modules get tall, sometimes the modules can't be pulled out of the motherboard, while a third party CPU cooler is installed. (This might not matter if installing just two sticks, but with four sticks, all slots are likely to be occupied, and then clearance might be a "convenience issue".) The Newegg marketing material mentions AMD compatibility, whereas the Gskill web page is pushing the XMP tables in the SPD on the DIMM as the desirable feature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_...le_.28X MP.29 ******* You tell by the Newegg reviews, whether they know how to make modules or not. The "79% with 5 stars" reviews, tells you something. These Crucial modules, got "83% with 5 starts", but not nearly as many people bought them. And these have "flashing LEDS" :-) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148519 These Corsair modules, got "83% with 5 stars" on a fairly large sample size. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145345 "Cons: Failed 2 weeks after putting into a new build." "Faulty Ram in under a year" "After 1 week, one of the sticks died" I'd probably scroll down, and see how common that was. ******* They call this an "arbitrary judgment system" for a reason :-) The trick is to detect "signal from noise". Paul |
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need RAM recommendation - please help
"Paul" wrote in message ... Adam wrote: "glee" wrote in message ... "Paul" wrote in message ... Adam wrote: Need RAM recommendation for the following motherboard ... - ASUS M5A99X Evo - AM3+ - 990X - SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 - ATX DDR3 2133 Motherboards I am thinking about the following ... - Crucial Ballistix 240-Pin DDR3 but need help with the specific model and amount (at least 8 GB due to VirtualBox/VM usage). Check the customer reviews on Newegg, for each product you are interested in. Some RAM has a high enough failure rate, you should stay away from it. The customer reviews, tells you what to avoid. Well I wouldn't go solely by some customer reviews. RAM by all the major suppliers (Crucial, Corsair, etc) is all good. Better to use RAM from the approved list suggested by the board maker Asus. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ Thanks, the customer reviews led me to the following ... G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBRL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231315 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231429 But, they are not listed in the approved list suggested by the board maker Asus. Are these models okay or not? What is the difference between the two models above? And, how is G.SKILL vs Crucial vs Corsair? F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL "XMP for Intel capable" http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=358 F3-12800CL9Q-16GBRL (looks to be the same, only the tested motherboard list, as tested by them, looks older...) http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=335 Note that the modules are pretty tall, and you should check there is sufficient clearance underneath the CPU cooler. When modules get tall, sometimes the modules can't be pulled out of the motherboard, while a third party CPU cooler is installed. (This might not matter if installing just two sticks, but with four sticks, all slots are likely to be occupied, and then clearance might be a "convenience issue".) The Newegg marketing material mentions AMD compatibility, whereas the Gskill web page is pushing the XMP tables in the SPD on the DIMM as the desirable feature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_...le_.28X MP.29 ******* You tell by the Newegg reviews, whether they know how to make modules or not. The "79% with 5 stars" reviews, tells you something. These Crucial modules, got "83% with 5 starts", but not nearly as many people bought them. And these have "flashing LEDS" :-) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148519 These Corsair modules, got "83% with 5 stars" on a fairly large sample size. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145345 "Cons: Failed 2 weeks after putting into a new build." "Faulty Ram in under a year" "After 1 week, one of the sticks died" I'd probably scroll down, and see how common that was. ******* They call this an "arbitrary judgment system" for a reason :-) The trick is to detect "signal from noise". Paul Thanks (Guru Paul), I will likely go with the first one on your list ... F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL "XMP for Intel capable" http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=358 after checking for height/space clearance at Fry's (or Microcenter). |
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need RAM recommendation - please help
Adam wrote: the customer reviews led me to the following ... G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBRL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231315 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL [$95] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231429 But, they are not listed in the approved list suggested by the board maker Asus. Are these models okay or not? What is the difference between the two models above? And, how is G.SKILL vs Crucial vs Corsair? Corsair, G.Skill, Geil, Patriot, Mushkin, OCZ, Kingston are nothing special. Most of those companies (actually probably all but one of them) don't even test their products extensively but simply use PC- based testers, rather than the million-dollar machines that chip manufacturers use. One of those module companies even said it was OK for a module to show 2 errors during testing (except for their 2133 MHz/PC17000 modules, which had to show 0 errors). Crucial is always good as long as you avoid anything with heatsinks on it. Another brand that's always good is Samsung, and their 1.35V DDR3 modules will work in 1.5V motherboards. In general you should avoid any memory with heatsinks on it because they don't help at all and are actually a sign of low quality -- the manufacturer can hide no-name or overclocked chips under the heatsinks, and it's cheaper to slap on highly decorated heatsinks than to use better quality or faster chips. Also before buying modules with tall heatsinks, check the clearance between the DIMMs and the CPU heatsink. That's not to say everything without heatsinks is high quality. It's necessary to check the individual chips, and you want chips where the chip maker or their part number is clearly visible. Chip makers include Samsung/SEC, Elpida/RexChip, ProMOS, Hynix, Micron, Nanya/ Inotera, and PowerChip. As for RipJaws specifically, APHnetworks reviewed a PC17000 model (2133 MHz) and found it was made with Hynix H5TQ2G83BFR-H9C chips. "H9C" means 1333 MHz: http://aphnetworks.com/reviews/g_ski...8gbxld_2x4gb/2 I don't think G.Skill is worse in this respect than the vast majority of its competitors, but the use of overclocked chips could explain why plain-looking, no-heatsink Samsung PC12800 modules (1600 MHz) are so well known for being able to run faster than many heatsinked modules that are "rated" for 2133 MHz. |
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