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Ben, could his problem be that the motherboard in that G6-350 does not
support 256MB modules even if they are low density? I believe those boards have three slots and the max is 128MB in each slot. I missed the beginning of this thread so I don't know if he had been using these modules before with no problems or not. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... There's a reasonable possibility that the motherboard has developed issues. The MEMTEST lockup and the other BSODs and/or freezes running Windows would seem to form a pattern indicating hardware problems... Ben On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:27:34 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, I took the crucial card out and tested it again. All was fine until test # 8 at 2% it freezes the system with the original memory only. Any other suggestions? And the crucial memory is pc-100 256 mb synch, cl2 Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... My experiences with MEMTEST-86 have been very positive. If it reveals an error in testing (or the system hangs), there is something wrong with the hardware, most often memory. A G6 350 has a 100MHz front side bus, so it was designed to use PC100 memory with low density memory chips. Some PC133 memory will work reliably, and some will not. Low density memory means that there are more chips on the DIMM, typically 8 for a 64MB DIMM and 16 for a 128MB DIMM. At this point, I would suspect that the Crucial memory is not right for the system, despite Crucial's excellent reputation. Just to check, reinstall the old memory with less capacity in the system and run MEMTEST-86 again. If MEMTEST-86 runs without showing any errors, then this pretty much confirms that the Crucial memory is not right... Ben Myers On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:17:59 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, Since installing the controller card I have not had any blue screen errors but what is happening is it gets almost to the desktop and shuts itself off. Every once in a while on bootup after it shuts itself off I get windows protection error. Tech support from powerleap tell me this is a ram problem. The memory I bought from crucial. I let there scanner scan my system and bought what it recommended. Also I re-ran MEMTEST 86 and got errors in test 5 and when it gets to test 8 it freezes the system. I ran it in my e machine T2865 also and got 103 errors in test 6 and when it got to test 8 it froze on that machine also? Any suggestions? Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... How is the hard drive connected to the system? An older G-6 350MHz Pentium II system BIOS does not support a 250GB hard drive. To use the 250GB drive reliably, you need either an add-in hard drive controller card (e.g. Promise brand) or 3rd party drive overlay software such as Western Digital's EZ-Drive. In short, 3rd party drive overlay software sucks and you are 1000% better off with a drive controller card. Yes, the 250GB drive is brand new, but what assurance do you have that it is 100% functional? Run the WD hard drive diagnostics to make sure. Next, download and run MEMTEST-86, the best (and free) memory diagnostic software. You have no assurance that the memory upgrade is OK unless you run memory diagnostics. If MEMTEST-86 reveals even one error during testing, the memory upgrade is not right for the motherboard, which needs DIMMs with low-density memory chips... Ben Myers On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:10:34 GMT, "WackoRay" wrote: Since upgrading. Things have gone down hill fast. It runs fine for a day or two. Then I get file corruption. The names change to hieroglyphics. I took a snap shot of the Lavasoft folder but can't post it here for some reason. Could someone email me so I could send the jpeg image of the folder so you could look at it and see if you have seen this or know what the hell is happening. But this happens to all my folders eventually. I just got lucky and did a scandisk and it said the files were corrupted beyond repair in Lavasoft. I have all up to date anti virus, The Cleaner, Zone Alarm Pro, spybot, Ad-Aware & spyblaster. Everything comes back clean. Thanks, my email addy is Ray "Wacko" wrote in message news:3fowe.7514$GP6.1931@trndny03... I kept debating and finally I settled on trying the 1.2 GHz Tualatin Celeron. Piece of cake to install. I added the max memory, up to 384 & replaced that bucket of bolts Maxtor 10 gig hd with a western digital 250 gig hd. I like it! Big improvement over what it was like. the difference is like night & day. Well worth the upgrade as far as I am concerned. "gdp" wrote in message news:F6Wfe.39722$_K.5616@fed1read03... WackoRay wrote: GenuineIntel Pentium(r) II Processor Intel MMX(TM) Technology PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6.0 4M4PBOX1.15A.023.P13 We upgraded 3 of these at work to 1.4 GHz Tualatin Celerons. Made a big difference in the apps we run. It was worth it to us, but only you can be the judge as to whether it is worth it to you. |
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Yes, some of the early 440BX boards do not handle 256MB DIMMs. Later ones do,
sometimes with a BIOS upgrade. This is true for Gateway motherboards and others as well. Knowing the exact model of motherboard used by the OP would be helpful. It's likely to be an early SE440BX, given that the original CPU speed was only 350MHz... Ben Myers On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:16:21 GMT, "Tweek" wrote: Ben, could his problem be that the motherboard in that G6-350 does not support 256MB modules even if they are low density? I believe those boards have three slots and the max is 128MB in each slot. I missed the beginning of this thread so I don't know if he had been using these modules before with no problems or not. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... There's a reasonable possibility that the motherboard has developed issues. The MEMTEST lockup and the other BSODs and/or freezes running Windows would seem to form a pattern indicating hardware problems... Ben On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:27:34 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, I took the crucial card out and tested it again. All was fine until test # 8 at 2% it freezes the system with the original memory only. Any other suggestions? And the crucial memory is pc-100 256 mb synch, cl2 Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... My experiences with MEMTEST-86 have been very positive. If it reveals an error in testing (or the system hangs), there is something wrong with the hardware, most often memory. A G6 350 has a 100MHz front side bus, so it was designed to use PC100 memory with low density memory chips. Some PC133 memory will work reliably, and some will not. Low density memory means that there are more chips on the DIMM, typically 8 for a 64MB DIMM and 16 for a 128MB DIMM. At this point, I would suspect that the Crucial memory is not right for the system, despite Crucial's excellent reputation. Just to check, reinstall the old memory with less capacity in the system and run MEMTEST-86 again. If MEMTEST-86 runs without showing any errors, then this pretty much confirms that the Crucial memory is not right... Ben Myers On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:17:59 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, Since installing the controller card I have not had any blue screen errors but what is happening is it gets almost to the desktop and shuts itself off. Every once in a while on bootup after it shuts itself off I get windows protection error. Tech support from powerleap tell me this is a ram problem. The memory I bought from crucial. I let there scanner scan my system and bought what it recommended. Also I re-ran MEMTEST 86 and got errors in test 5 and when it gets to test 8 it freezes the system. I ran it in my e machine T2865 also and got 103 errors in test 6 and when it got to test 8 it froze on that machine also? Any suggestions? Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... How is the hard drive connected to the system? An older G-6 350MHz Pentium II system BIOS does not support a 250GB hard drive. To use the 250GB drive reliably, you need either an add-in hard drive controller card (e.g. Promise brand) or 3rd party drive overlay software such as Western Digital's EZ-Drive. In short, 3rd party drive overlay software sucks and you are 1000% better off with a drive controller card. Yes, the 250GB drive is brand new, but what assurance do you have that it is 100% functional? Run the WD hard drive diagnostics to make sure. Next, download and run MEMTEST-86, the best (and free) memory diagnostic software. You have no assurance that the memory upgrade is OK unless you run memory diagnostics. If MEMTEST-86 reveals even one error during testing, the memory upgrade is not right for the motherboard, which needs DIMMs with low-density memory chips... Ben Myers On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:10:34 GMT, "WackoRay" wrote: Since upgrading. Things have gone down hill fast. It runs fine for a day or two. Then I get file corruption. The names change to hieroglyphics. I took a snap shot of the Lavasoft folder but can't post it here for some reason. Could someone email me so I could send the jpeg image of the folder so you could look at it and see if you have seen this or know what the hell is happening. But this happens to all my folders eventually. I just got lucky and did a scandisk and it said the files were corrupted beyond repair in Lavasoft. I have all up to date anti virus, The Cleaner, Zone Alarm Pro, spybot, Ad-Aware & spyblaster. Everything comes back clean. Thanks, my email addy is Ray "Wacko" wrote in message news:3fowe.7514$GP6.1931@trndny03... I kept debating and finally I settled on trying the 1.2 GHz Tualatin Celeron. Piece of cake to install. I added the max memory, up to 384 & replaced that bucket of bolts Maxtor 10 gig hd with a western digital 250 gig hd. I like it! Big improvement over what it was like. the difference is like night & day. Well worth the upgrade as far as I am concerned. "gdp" wrote in message news:F6Wfe.39722$_K.5616@fed1read03... WackoRay wrote: GenuineIntel Pentium(r) II Processor Intel MMX(TM) Technology PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6.0 4M4PBOX1.15A.023.P13 We upgraded 3 of these at work to 1.4 GHz Tualatin Celerons. Made a big difference in the apps we run. It was worth it to us, but only you can be the judge as to whether it is worth it to you. |
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I took the 128 mb modules out of my other G6 and put them in the one with
the upgrades and the same thing happened. It locks up at test #8 ? Thanks Ray "Tweek" wrote in message news:F9NIe.98$Y2.4@trnddc09... Ben, could his problem be that the motherboard in that G6-350 does not support 256MB modules even if they are low density? I believe those boards have three slots and the max is 128MB in each slot. I missed the beginning of this thread so I don't know if he had been using these modules before with no problems or not. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... There's a reasonable possibility that the motherboard has developed issues. The MEMTEST lockup and the other BSODs and/or freezes running Windows would seem to form a pattern indicating hardware problems... Ben On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:27:34 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, I took the crucial card out and tested it again. All was fine until test # 8 at 2% it freezes the system with the original memory only. Any other suggestions? And the crucial memory is pc-100 256 mb synch, cl2 Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... My experiences with MEMTEST-86 have been very positive. If it reveals an error in testing (or the system hangs), there is something wrong with the hardware, most often memory. A G6 350 has a 100MHz front side bus, so it was designed to use PC100 memory with low density memory chips. Some PC133 memory will work reliably, and some will not. Low density memory means that there are more chips on the DIMM, typically 8 for a 64MB DIMM and 16 for a 128MB DIMM. At this point, I would suspect that the Crucial memory is not right for the system, despite Crucial's excellent reputation. Just to check, reinstall the old memory with less capacity in the system and run MEMTEST-86 again. If MEMTEST-86 runs without showing any errors, then this pretty much confirms that the Crucial memory is not right... Ben Myers On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:17:59 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, Since installing the controller card I have not had any blue screen errors but what is happening is it gets almost to the desktop and shuts itself off. Every once in a while on bootup after it shuts itself off I get windows protection error. Tech support from powerleap tell me this is a ram problem. The memory I bought from crucial. I let there scanner scan my system and bought what it recommended. Also I re-ran MEMTEST 86 and got errors in test 5 and when it gets to test 8 it freezes the system. I ran it in my e machine T2865 also and got 103 errors in test 6 and when it got to test 8 it froze on that machine also? Any suggestions? Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... How is the hard drive connected to the system? An older G-6 350MHz Pentium II system BIOS does not support a 250GB hard drive. To use the 250GB drive reliably, you need either an add-in hard drive controller card (e.g. Promise brand) or 3rd party drive overlay software such as Western Digital's EZ-Drive. In short, 3rd party drive overlay software sucks and you are 1000% better off with a drive controller card. Yes, the 250GB drive is brand new, but what assurance do you have that it is 100% functional? Run the WD hard drive diagnostics to make sure. Next, download and run MEMTEST-86, the best (and free) memory diagnostic software. You have no assurance that the memory upgrade is OK unless you run memory diagnostics. If MEMTEST-86 reveals even one error during testing, the memory upgrade is not right for the motherboard, which needs DIMMs with low-density memory chips... Ben Myers On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:10:34 GMT, "WackoRay" wrote: Since upgrading. Things have gone down hill fast. It runs fine for a day or two. Then I get file corruption. The names change to hieroglyphics. I took a snap shot of the Lavasoft folder but can't post it here for some reason. Could someone email me so I could send the jpeg image of the folder so you could look at it and see if you have seen this or know what the hell is happening. But this happens to all my folders eventually. I just got lucky and did a scandisk and it said the files were corrupted beyond repair in Lavasoft. I have all up to date anti virus, The Cleaner, Zone Alarm Pro, spybot, Ad-Aware & spyblaster. Everything comes back clean. Thanks, my email addy is Ray "Wacko" wrote in message news:3fowe.7514$GP6.1931@trndny03... I kept debating and finally I settled on trying the 1.2 GHz Tualatin Celeron. Piece of cake to install. I added the max memory, up to 384 & replaced that bucket of bolts Maxtor 10 gig hd with a western digital 250 gig hd. I like it! Big improvement over what it was like. the difference is like night & day. Well worth the upgrade as far as I am concerned. "gdp" wrote in message news:F6Wfe.39722$_K.5616@fed1read03... WackoRay wrote: GenuineIntel Pentium(r) II Processor Intel MMX(TM) Technology PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6.0 4M4PBOX1.15A.023.P13 We upgraded 3 of these at work to 1.4 GHz Tualatin Celerons. Made a big difference in the apps we run. It was worth it to us, but only you can be the judge as to whether it is worth it to you. |
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Ben these are from belarc advisor and the bottom from Ispecs
Board: Intel Corporation MP440BX AA698435-301 Serial Number: IMMP82801837 BIOS: Intel Corp. 4M4PB0X1.15A.0029.P17 08/04/199 ************************************************** ** Manufacturer : Intel Corporation Model : MP440BX Rev. AA698435-301 CPU Slot/Socket Type : Socket 370 FC-PGA2 Chipset Vendor : Intel i440BX/ZX Rev. B1 Bios Manufacturer : Intel Corp. Bios Version : 4M4PB0X1.15A.0029.P17 ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, some of the early 440BX boards do not handle 256MB DIMMs. Later ones do, sometimes with a BIOS upgrade. This is true for Gateway motherboards and others as well. Knowing the exact model of motherboard used by the OP would be helpful. It's likely to be an early SE440BX, given that the original CPU speed was only 350MHz... Ben Myers On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:16:21 GMT, "Tweek" wrote: Ben, could his problem be that the motherboard in that G6-350 does not support 256MB modules even if they are low density? I believe those boards have three slots and the max is 128MB in each slot. I missed the beginning of this thread so I don't know if he had been using these modules before with no problems or not. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... There's a reasonable possibility that the motherboard has developed issues. The MEMTEST lockup and the other BSODs and/or freezes running Windows would seem to form a pattern indicating hardware problems... Ben On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:27:34 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, I took the crucial card out and tested it again. All was fine until test # 8 at 2% it freezes the system with the original memory only. Any other suggestions? And the crucial memory is pc-100 256 mb synch, cl2 Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... My experiences with MEMTEST-86 have been very positive. If it reveals an error in testing (or the system hangs), there is something wrong with the hardware, most often memory. A G6 350 has a 100MHz front side bus, so it was designed to use PC100 memory with low density memory chips. Some PC133 memory will work reliably, and some will not. Low density memory means that there are more chips on the DIMM, typically 8 for a 64MB DIMM and 16 for a 128MB DIMM. At this point, I would suspect that the Crucial memory is not right for the system, despite Crucial's excellent reputation. Just to check, reinstall the old memory with less capacity in the system and run MEMTEST-86 again. If MEMTEST-86 runs without showing any errors, then this pretty much confirms that the Crucial memory is not right... Ben Myers On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:17:59 GMT, "Vze" wrote: Ben, Since installing the controller card I have not had any blue screen errors but what is happening is it gets almost to the desktop and shuts itself off. Every once in a while on bootup after it shuts itself off I get windows protection error. Tech support from powerleap tell me this is a ram problem. The memory I bought from crucial. I let there scanner scan my system and bought what it recommended. Also I re-ran MEMTEST 86 and got errors in test 5 and when it gets to test 8 it freezes the system. I ran it in my e machine T2865 also and got 103 errors in test 6 and when it got to test 8 it froze on that machine also? Any suggestions? Thanks Ray ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... How is the hard drive connected to the system? An older G-6 350MHz Pentium II system BIOS does not support a 250GB hard drive. To use the 250GB drive reliably, you need either an add-in hard drive controller card (e.g. Promise brand) or 3rd party drive overlay software such as Western Digital's EZ-Drive. In short, 3rd party drive overlay software sucks and you are 1000% better off with a drive controller card. Yes, the 250GB drive is brand new, but what assurance do you have that it is 100% functional? Run the WD hard drive diagnostics to make sure. Next, download and run MEMTEST-86, the best (and free) memory diagnostic software. You have no assurance that the memory upgrade is OK unless you run memory diagnostics. If MEMTEST-86 reveals even one error during testing, the memory upgrade is not right for the motherboard, which needs DIMMs with low-density memory chips... Ben Myers On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:10:34 GMT, "WackoRay" wrote: Since upgrading. Things have gone down hill fast. It runs fine for a day or two. Then I get file corruption. The names change to hieroglyphics. I took a snap shot of the Lavasoft folder but can't post it here for some reason. Could someone email me so I could send the jpeg image of the folder so you could look at it and see if you have seen this or know what the hell is happening. But this happens to all my folders eventually. I just got lucky and did a scandisk and it said the files were corrupted beyond repair in Lavasoft. I have all up to date anti virus, The Cleaner, Zone Alarm Pro, spybot, Ad-Aware & spyblaster. Everything comes back clean. Thanks, my email addy is Ray "Wacko" wrote in message news:3fowe.7514$GP6.1931@trndny03... I kept debating and finally I settled on trying the 1.2 GHz Tualatin Celeron. Piece of cake to install. I added the max memory, up to 384 & replaced that bucket of bolts Maxtor 10 gig hd with a western digital 250 gig hd. I like it! Big improvement over what it was like. the difference is like night & day. Well worth the upgrade as far as I am concerned. "gdp" wrote in message news:F6Wfe.39722$_K.5616@fed1read03... WackoRay wrote: GenuineIntel Pentium(r) II Processor Intel MMX(TM) Technology PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6.0 4M4PBOX1.15A.023.P13 We upgraded 3 of these at work to 1.4 GHz Tualatin Celerons. Made a big difference in the apps we run. It was worth it to us, but only you can be the judge as to whether it is worth it to you. |
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The MP440BX is an OEM variation of the very popular SE440BX Intel board. Ispecs
is inaccurate. This is a Slot 1 board, not Socket 370. However, Ispecs is being fooled by the PowerLeap kit CPU, which identifies itself as it truly is: Socket 370 FC-PGA2. IMHO, the same limitations hold for the MP440BX as for the SE440BX board. In other words, installed memory must consist of DIMMs with low-density chips. All I can surmise is that either the PowerLeap kit is not compatible with the MP440BX board, or that a defect has crept into the hardware somewhere. The system lockups running both Windows and MEMTEST-86 are not a coincidence, and are symptomatic of a hardware problem. What happens when you put the older slower Slot 1 CPU in the system? Lockups? Does MEMTEST run OK? ... Ben Myers On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:29:09 GMT, "WackoRay" wrote: Ben these are from belarc advisor and the bottom from Ispecs Board: Intel Corporation MP440BX AA698435-301 Serial Number: IMMP82801837 BIOS: Intel Corp. 4M4PB0X1.15A.0029.P17 08/04/199 ************************************************* *** Manufacturer : Intel Corporation Model : MP440BX Rev. AA698435-301 CPU Slot/Socket Type : Socket 370 FC-PGA2 Chipset Vendor : Intel i440BX/ZX Rev. B1 Bios Manufacturer : Intel Corp. Bios Version : 4M4PB0X1.15A.0029.P17 BIG SNIP |
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Just to pass on a confirmation of Ben's comments. Checked with the best
tech I know and he concurs the MP440BX is limited to low density (high chip count) DIMMs. KC ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... The MP440BX is an OEM variation of the very popular SE440BX Intel board. Ispecs is inaccurate. This is a Slot 1 board, not Socket 370. However, Ispecs is being fooled by the PowerLeap kit CPU, which identifies itself as it truly is: Socket 370 FC-PGA2. IMHO, the same limitations hold for the MP440BX as for the SE440BX board. In other words, installed memory must consist of DIMMs with low-density chips. All I can surmise is that either the PowerLeap kit is not compatible with the MP440BX board, or that a defect has crept into the hardware somewhere. The system lockups running both Windows and MEMTEST-86 are not a coincidence, and are symptomatic of a hardware problem. What happens when you put the older slower Slot 1 CPU in the system? Lockups? Does MEMTEST run OK? ... Ben Myers On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:29:09 GMT, "WackoRay" wrote: Ben these are from belarc advisor and the bottom from Ispecs Board: Intel Corporation MP440BX AA698435-301 Serial Number: IMMP82801837 BIOS: Intel Corp. 4M4PB0X1.15A.0029.P17 08/04/199 ************************************************* *** Manufacturer : Intel Corporation Model : MP440BX Rev. AA698435-301 CPU Slot/Socket Type : Socket 370 FC-PGA2 Chipset Vendor : Intel i440BX/ZX Rev. B1 Bios Manufacturer : Intel Corp. Bios Version : 4M4PB0X1.15A.0029.P17 BIG SNIP |
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