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"TJ" wrote in message .. . CBFalconer wrote: Arthur Entlich wrote: *** and top-posted. Fixed *** Arthur's contribution snipped Posters are connected to their quotes by the number of '' at the start of lines. That number should be one larger than the count in the attribution line. In addition proper posting will help greatly. I.e. do not top-post. Do snip properly. Read the following URLs, which will describe the conventions properly. Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all irrelevant material. I fixed this one. See the following links: Do you have any idea how much self-appointed Usenet etiquette police annoy me? Never mind answering. I know you feel a Noble Calling to fix all that is "wrong" with Usenet, and that you don't really care about what annoys me, only what annoys YOU. TJ TJ - You read my mind! Between "officer" CBF, "angry authority" Kony, and "OEM ink uber alles" Moosetripe, you could spend your entire day reading nonsensical drivel on this NG. Thank the lord for the killfile!!!!!!!!!!! |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:45:38 GMT, Arthur Entlich
wrote: You may think that your posting is worthy of my tracking down the original posting you are referring to, but I don't agree. I never asked you to track down anything, it was you who made the comment. I was further helpful in suggesting you use your newsreader like everyone else to see what I'd replied to. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:13:42 GMT, Arthur Entlich
wrote: I have read this thread through, and what I read was that Tony indicated a mixture of his personal experience, .... which is subjective, as I already wrote. the experiences of those he deals with on a professional basis, Incorrect. He cannot provide hearsay as to a comprehensive analysis of a 3rd party's use of a product. It is quite likely they do not come to him and converse about this exact topic so he can report on their sum experiences with Vista, or much of anything else for that matter. Instead he is introducing misleading, "supposed" evidence which cannot be countered merely because it is worthless. Instead what we do have is the largest backlash against any version of windows ever, as seen by many online polls. He, you, and I can all find links to this information. This is fact, not 3rd party hearsay. and his informed opinion. You threw the word "informed" out there as a measure of bull****. How about sticking to clear facts instead of fancying yourself a colorful writer? He offered an opinion. He's entitled to one. That is subjective and does not make it rational to discount all the opinions of others, not mine but those easily found by web searches, even linked earlier in the thread. He choose to discount all counterevidence by selectively ignoring and declaring it irrelevant (effectually, I do now forget the exact word used) as if he can ignore evidence. Was it without bias? No, we all have personal biases, including you. Not necessarily applicable, because some have more ability than others to isolate any personal bias from a pursuit of truth. Some people stop and consider whether they are writing something subjective, and do a bit deeper digging. That is what the links CBFalconer, or the several online polls, as well as other sources of information provide. Incredibly enough, even Tony himself conceded there were issues people are supposed to wait to have addressed, as if we are supposed to judge the fitness of a product not based on what it is now, but what it *might* become, someday. Another subjective opinion, that if an issue doesn't bother or effect Tony, then it's ok for everyone else too. I'm terribly sorry to have to write it, but you are either deluded or intentionally trying to pervert truth. Writing pages of text about how right you think you are doesn't further a conversation, it still ignores the points already made which is anything except the persuit of truth. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:45:38 GMT, Arthur Entlich
wrote: kony wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:26:00 GMT, Arthur Entlich wrote: A couple of things: 1) this posting is misattributed. I did not write any of the text which was quoted below my name (which I have quoted below). yes and no. Since I snipped out what you wrote, the rest was consistent with usenet notation using "" symbol. So really the thing I omitted was "snip" to show something was missing. Actually, everything I wrote was missing. Yes it was, because you replied to my post but didn't continue the conversation, instead making a speech. I replied to your speech post but snipped out the speech body because it was already out of context, since your speech did not carry on the prior conversation. Strangely, having been on newsgroups, and before that, bulletin boards for something like 20 years now, until this message, where you removed the full text of my posting, the assorted BBS software and newsreaders I've used have functioned perfectly well for me. I have been able to read and reply to postings, quoted messages, etc, without difficulty. Obviously not, you can't even go back one posting in a thread to see what you replied to. So you're basically admitting it's either difficult for you, impossible for you, or you CHOOSE not to do it (making all your whining a lot of nonsense). Since you can't navigate usenet even after 20 years of BBS/etc, here's a link to Google Groups where you can see where your initial post strayed from the subtopic: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...1afa fc1156b2 (or) http://tinyurl.com/2pddog If you need more help using Google or your newsreader you can search for that help as well. |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:22:15 GMT, Arthur Entlich
wrote: I respect and know Tony well enough from my personal correspondence with him, as well as his many post here that I see no reason he would have to try to deceive anyone here. I therefore believe his statements are level headed evaluations based upon his personal experiences. However, I also know that there has been a real backlash to Vista by many people. This backlash to Vista was completely predicable, and it had only partly to do with Vista itself, per se. You are an idiot. Backlash has to do with real use problems. You pretend you are intelligent but are not. There is no great body of text you could write that makes a problem disappear. |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text? Off Topic
I have snipped everything from this post simply so that I can attempt to
recover what I consider to be a thread with many innuendos and misunderstandings. The post I originally replied to included the following extract. "Of course a system that uses Vista is a crap design in the first place." And was followed by some links. My reply was, and I apologise for reposting this in full. "All of the links above are reasonably old in terms of the release cycle of a new OS. Vista has improved immeasurably in the past few months and when SP1 comes out in the new year I suspect we will see better performance as well as other improvements. Your comment about Vista reminds me of similar comments about XP and previous versions of Windows during the early stages of release. In many cases the end result was a pretty reliable OS (Windows98SE and Windows XP with SP2 for eaxmple). Modern OS' are immensely complex and anybody who thinks they can be released in their final totally stable version is dreaming. All of the negatives in the above links have been refuted by people just as expert as the authors. It seems to me that the links have been "cherry picked", in other words chosen because they are all negative. There are many positive links about Vista. I have been using Vista for many months with absolutely no issues as of yet and am looking forward to SP1. I also lived with the Windows 98 XP iterations which resulted in a stable computing experience for me. On a more specific note the first link is well worth a read, clearly the author has an agenda. He says that "This document looks purely at the cost of the technical portions of Vista's content protection" and immediately follows this with comments that are critical of the OS with little or no relevance to the subject matter." I have read my reply several times and cannot for the life of me see why it upset you. I was attempting to point out that an implication that Vista is "crap" is an extreme point of view and that the links that were provided did not convince me. I have read most of the material despite you suggesting that I have not. There are many on-line articles that express the view that Vista is not "crap". I have not provided any links myself because I suspect that would result in debate about the expertise and bias or lack of bias that the authors have. It seems to me that would be a pointless exercise. Suffice it to say that any of us with an interest in this subject could in minutes find any number of links that would support any view we happen to hold. You have suggested that I am not "thick skinned", what that has to do with anything is beyond me and I believe I can debate without being defensive (another thing you have acused me of without any justification). I guess the real concern I have is that you keep moving the goal posts, subtle changes between several posts have occurred which distort the meaning. This is a common ploy in debates, but not at all difficult to spot. I have been moved by some people that are "supporting" me but that is not what this is about either. The post I answered first was a blanket statement made as if it is a fact. It is undeniably not a fact, it is an opinion. I expressed an opinion that it was not a fact and provided some personal views and experience to that end. I have no agenda with Vista other than that I want it to be a good OS and I have customers that absolutely need it to be so. Fortunately none have yet had any serious problems. I do not recommend operating systems (and only recommend applications that are printer specific and highly specialised) to my customers (I referred to the reason for that earlier in the thread) but when friends ask me what they should buy I listen carefully to their needs and often recommend against Vista at this time, not because it is useless but because it offers them no advantage over XP and we would agree that Vista has yet to become a mature OS. You have accused Art Entlich, quite rudely, of some things that you cannot possibly justify. I suggest that you read his posts more carefully and search for his name on the internet. You will find that he has helped thousands of people over the years for no payment and has a well publicised agenda to assist in making this planet a fit place to live for future generations. There is no fan club here, quite simply mutual respect. Art and I sometimes do not agree; polite disagreement is wonderful otherwise human beings would not be sentient creatures. Without wishing to inflame this discussion further I wonder if you could practice the same. In other words, accept that some people will not agree with you, accept that debate without becoming personal is positive and that being offensive is counterproductive to your arguments and the real subject of the debate. I have a concern that this post will cause you to react once more with invective, I think that would be a great pity since you are clearly not a stupid person. It would be terrific if you were to think about engaging in debate without abuse. I have not been a part of this thread for several days, that was quite deliberate because I wanted to see things calm down. Maybe you should consider doing something similar. Tony |
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kony wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:22:15 GMT, Arthur Entlich wrote: I respect and know Tony well enough from my personal correspondence with him, as well as his many post here that I see no reason he would have to try to deceive anyone here. I therefore believe his statements are level headed evaluations based upon his personal experiences. However, I also know that there has been a real backlash to Vista by many people. This backlash to Vista was completely predicable, and it had only partly to do with Vista itself, per se. You are an idiot. Backlash has to do with real use problems. You pretend you are intelligent but are not. There is no great body of text you could write that makes a problem disappear. And you are becoming more troll-like by the minute. You resort to name-calling when people refuse to knuckle under to your opinion. That is hardly intelligent behavior. It is troll behavior, the "weapon" of someone who knows he can't win an a debate with the merits of his position.(Note carefully that I am not calling you a troll. I am saying you are exhibiting troll-like behavior.) Your bias is anti-Microsoft - that much is abundantly clear. That bias is so strong that you are unwilling to look at anything Microsoft produces with an objective eye. No, not unwilling, unable. Microsoft could produce the perfect OS, and you would still call it crap. I've heard this kind of anti-Microsoft drivel many times over the years. As a Linux user, I've spewed the same thing once in a while myself. The thing is, it was almost always unwarranted. I think Microsoft produces the worst OS of any of "the big three," and I don't quite understand why thinking people use it out of choice. But they are entitled to their opinions, as I am entitled to mine. Doesn't make them idiots. Misguided perhaps, but not idiots. There is something I'd like to know, something you've carefully avoided mentioning. Which OS do *you* use, and has it been trouble-free for everybody who's used it? If there is such a thing, I'd like to look into it. TJ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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TJ wrote: kony wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:22:15 GMT, Arthur Entlich wrote: I respect and know Tony well enough from my personal correspondence with him, as well as his many post here that I see no reason he would have to try to deceive anyone here. I therefore believe his statements are level headed evaluations based upon his personal experiences. However, I also know that there has been a real backlash to Vista by many people. This backlash to Vista was completely predicable, and it had only partly to do with Vista itself, per se. You are an idiot. ha ha ha Backlash has to do with real use problems. You pretend you are intelligent but are not. There is no great body of text you could write that makes a problem disappear. And you are becoming more troll-like by the minute. You resort to name-calling when people refuse to knuckle under to your opinion. That is hardly intelligent behavior. It is troll behavior, the "weapon" of someone who knows he can't win an a debate with the merits of his position.(Note carefully that I am not calling you a troll. I am saying you are exhibiting troll-like behavior.) Your bias is anti-Microsoft - that much is abundantly clear. That bias is so strong that you are unwilling to look at anything Microsoft produces with an objective eye. No, not unwilling, unable. Microsoft could produce the perfect OS, and you would still call it crap. I've heard this kind of anti-Microsoft drivel many times over the years. As a Linux user, I've spewed the same thing once in a while myself. The thing is, it was almost always unwarranted. I think Microsoft produces the worst OS of any of "the big three," and I don't quite understand why thinking people use it out of choice. Because it does the simple things poorly but good enough and you do not have to have a constant chase for drivers everytime you go buy a new piece of hardware and because if you buy a dell or a sony etc it comes preinstalled and everything works. Plus most people use it at work. There is more formal support for it. There is more documentation (books at stores) for it. And yes Linux is more efficient and an all around better OS for people that know about that stuff. Also the common user will have not problem if a tech person properly sets it up and they do not continually buy new hardware and desire new software all of the time. But they are entitled to their opinions, as I am entitled to mine. Doesn't make them idiots. Misguided perhaps, but not idiots. There is a find line between some who are misguided and some who are idiots. Many make postings on this forum. There is something I'd like to know, something you've carefully avoided mentioning. Which OS do *you* use, and has it been trouble-free for everybody who's used it? If there is such a thing, I'd like to look into it. No OS including Linux is trouble free. If there was there would be no forums. TJ |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:19:35 -0600, Tony
wrote: I have snipped everything from this post simply so that I can attempt to recover what I consider to be a thread with many innuendos and misunderstandings. The post I originally replied to included the following extract. "Of course a system that uses Vista is a crap design in the first place." And was followed by some links. My reply was, and I apologise for reposting this in full. Ok, your reply was noted and at this point it seems we've beaten a dead horse long enough. |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:58:23 -0500, TJ
wrote: kony wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:22:15 GMT, Arthur Entlich wrote: I respect and know Tony well enough from my personal correspondence with him, as well as his many post here that I see no reason he would have to try to deceive anyone here. I therefore believe his statements are level headed evaluations based upon his personal experiences. However, I also know that there has been a real backlash to Vista by many people. This backlash to Vista was completely predicable, and it had only partly to do with Vista itself, per se. You are an idiot. Backlash has to do with real use problems. You pretend you are intelligent but are not. There is no great body of text you could write that makes a problem disappear. And you are becoming more troll-like by the minute. You resort to name-calling when people refuse to knuckle under to your opinion. Perhaps, or maybe it's based on the deliberate attempt to avoid the discussion. Taking something off the original context and then trying to pretend to be sensible is anything but. That is hardly intelligent behavior. It is troll behavior, the "weapon" of someone who knows he can't win an a debate with the merits of his position.(Note carefully that I am not calling you a troll. I am saying you are exhibiting troll-like behavior.) Note that the debate had already ended because Arthur decided not to discuss the facts anymore. Instead wasting his time, my time, and if you read the replies, your time too. IMO, that is a bit idiotic. I am entitled to that opinion and if you think stating my opinion is troll-like, then you're bound to find trolls at every turn. Your bias is anti-Microsoft - that much is abundantly clear. Nonsense. I recommend people stick with XP. Did I _EVER_ suggest abandoning MS products, suggest Linux, or for that matter any particular product? No. In fact I would suggest that if someone has the problems with Vista that many do, they should buy a WinXP license instead which is hardly "anti-MS". Congratulations for jumping to the wrong conclusion though. Not everyone fits into your nice black-and-white stereotypical roles. That bias is so strong that you are unwilling to look at anything Microsoft produces with an objective eye. No, not unwilling, unable. Microsoft could produce the perfect OS, and you would still call it crap. I run Windows and find it the most versatile OS on earth. Vista simply isn't ready for wide-spread, mindless adoption. Real issues cannot be randomly brushed aside. Someday it may be, but not yet. I didn't need to clarify this position, because I never suggested avoiding all MS products. I never suggested anyone should never buy Vista and indeed it may become the better choice for many... it just can't be assumed so without consideration of the facts, _today_. Likely many who now avoid Vista will eventually buy it, but that is a different day and a few patches away. By jumping the gun on trying to stereotype, without actually considering what I'd written, you are acting a bit idiotic. (Note carefully that I am not calling you an idiot. I am saying you are exhibiting idiot-like behavior.) I've heard this kind of anti-Microsoft drivel many times over the years. It seems you just want to see what you want to see, nevermind the actual details discussed. |
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