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question about CPUs and GPUs
Just a bit of curiosity on my part the state of CPU and GPU (a
discrete graphics card) technology out there. I'm not ready to upgrade my pc or build a new one yet but read ads and a few reviews. The last I read was that CPUs are entering "ninth" generation from both AMD and Intel and should reach the market later this year with a range of options. I've also heard that the prices of GPU have started dropping for one reason or another (mainly bitmining). What would be an example of a cutting edge CPU and a cutting edge GPU on the market now? Same question but for what would be called a medium quality CPU and GPU? I'm pretty sure that a cutting edge CPU and GPU are out of my price range, but I do wonder from time to time what performance in general one might expect combining one quality grade of CPU with that of a GPU. I'm talking about: (1) cutting edge CPU paired with medium quality GPU or (2) medium quality CPU paired with cutting edge GPU or (3) medium quality CPU paired with medium quality GPU. My current build is about 4 or 5 years old now and handles what I do quite easily - playing older RPG games (e.g., Baldur's Gate, Morrowind), email, web surfing and watching YouTube videos. However, I'm getting interested in playing some of the new(er) games out there - sorry, no titles to offer as an example at the moment - just that the demos and benchmark videos on YouTube indicate that current and slightly older games would require more oomph than my current system could provide. My pc is not overclocked nor do I believe I would be interested in doing that with a new CPU. TIA for comments. John |
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question about CPUs and GPUs
Yes wrote:
Just a bit of curiosity on my part the state of CPU and GPU (a discrete graphics card) technology out there. I'm not ready to upgrade my pc or build a new one yet but read ads and a few reviews. The last I read was that CPUs are entering "ninth" generation from both AMD and Intel and should reach the market later this year with a range of options. I've also heard that the prices of GPU have started dropping for one reason or another (mainly bitmining). What would be an example of a cutting edge CPU and a cutting edge GPU on the market now? Same question but for what would be called a medium quality CPU and GPU? I'm pretty sure that a cutting edge CPU and GPU are out of my price range, but I do wonder from time to time what performance in general one might expect combining one quality grade of CPU with that of a GPU. I'm talking about: (1) cutting edge CPU paired with medium quality GPU or (2) medium quality CPU paired with cutting edge GPU or (3) medium quality CPU paired with medium quality GPU. My current build is about 4 or 5 years old now and handles what I do quite easily - playing older RPG games (e.g., Baldur's Gate, Morrowind), email, web surfing and watching YouTube videos. However, I'm getting interested in playing some of the new(er) games out there - sorry, no titles to offer as an example at the moment - just that the demos and benchmark videos on YouTube indicate that current and slightly older games would require more oomph than my current system could provide. My pc is not overclocked nor do I believe I would be interested in doing that with a new CPU. TIA for comments. John The core count on the CPUs is going up. Nobody knows how to use all the cores, but they're there. The number of shaders on video cards is going up. Only Furmark (a benchmark) seems to use them all. You can play an older game on a 150W video card, and the video card only draws 40 watts. Some games use frame-limiters, which means you'll never notice that a new video card is present. There are monitors that go up to 144Hz, and there are two standards for "variable frame times". There is GSync (NVidia) and FreeSync (AMD). I don't think there are any monitors that support both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_G-Sync ******* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_G-Sync 8C 16T Processor Base Frequency 3.60 GHz Max Turbo Frequency 5.00 GHz (there's a table of Turbo versus core count) $500 https://ark.intel.com/products/13489...p-to-4-60-GHz- 6C 6T (good enough for games) Processor Base Frequency 3.70 GHz Max Turbo Frequency 4.60 GHz $263 http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AM...7%202700X.html 8C 16T Frequency 3700 MHz Maximum turbo frequency 4300 MHz $329 http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AM...7%201700X.html 8C 16T Frequency 3400 MHz Maximum turbo frequency 3800 MHz $190 ******* RTX 2080 Ti $1314 4352 shaders, ray tracing (too long to fit computer case) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814500433 RTX 2060 $ 350 1920 shaders, ray tracing https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814932115 RX 590 $ 260 2304 shaders (225W!!! warm) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814131742 Later this year, AMD will have a competitor for the high end. $700 Vega,no chiplets https://www.anandtech.com/show/13832...ry-7th-for-699 ******* You could probably combine any of the above and play games. With some combinations providing "hood ornaments" in terms of hardware without a usage. For example, the ray tracing isn't likely to be fast enough to matter, but, it's there. Some of the cards may have more than one usage (hardware assisted video encoder, tensor engine). This year, the price of RAM is supposed to decrease slightly. Although, how RAM manufacturers in China will be entering the market is an unknown. The price of NAND has already come down a bit, as a result of multiple suppliers of 64L or 96L flash chips. Video cards no longer have VGA connectors. If you still own VGA monitors (and who doesn't), you will be expected to fork out more money for adapters. This makes cheap video cards particularly *unattractive*. If you're paying $1000 for a video card, buying three adapters for $20 a piece sounds oh so normal. Less so if you're buying a 1030 (and no, you should not be buying a 1030 anyway - no video encoder). Paul |
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question about CPUs and GPUs
Paul wrote:
Yes wrote: Just a bit of curiosity on my part the state of CPU and GPU (a discrete graphics card) technology out there. I'm not ready to upgrade my pc or build a new one yet but read ads and a few reviews. The last I read was that CPUs are entering "ninth" generation from both AMD and Intel and should reach the market later this year with a range of options. I've also heard that the prices of GPU have started dropping for one reason or another (mainly bitmining). What would be an example of a cutting edge CPU and a cutting edge GPU on the market now? Same question but for what would be called a medium quality CPU and GPU? I'm pretty sure that a cutting edge CPU and GPU are out of my price range, but I do wonder from time to time what performance in general one might expect combining one quality grade of CPU with that of a GPU. I'm talking about: (1) cutting edge CPU paired with medium quality GPU or (2) medium quality CPU paired with cutting edge GPU or (3) medium quality CPU paired with medium quality GPU. My current build is about 4 or 5 years old now and handles what I do quite easily - playing older RPG games (e.g., Baldur's Gate, Morrowind), email, web surfing and watching YouTube videos. However, I'm getting interested in playing some of the new(er) games out there - sorry, no titles to offer as an example at the moment - just that the demos and benchmark videos on YouTube indicate that current and slightly older games would require more oomph than my current system could provide. My pc is not overclocked nor do I believe I would be interested in doing that with a new CPU. TIA for comments. John The core count on the CPUs is going up. Nobody knows how to use all the cores, but they're there. The number of shaders on video cards is going up. Only Furmark (a benchmark) seems to use them all. You can play an older game on a 150W video card, and the video card only draws 40 watts. Some games use frame-limiters, which means you'll never notice that a new video card is present. There are monitors that go up to 144Hz, and there are two standards for "variable frame times". There is GSync (NVidia) and FreeSync (AMD). I don't think there are any monitors that support both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_G-Sync ******* https://ark.intel.com/products/18660...p-to-5-00-GHz- 8C 16T Processor Base Frequency 3.60 GHz Max Turbo Frequency 5.00 GHz (there's a table of Turbo versus core count) $500 https://ark.intel.com/products/13489...p-to-4-60-GHz- 6C 6T (good enough for games) Processor Base Frequency 3.70 GHz Max Turbo Frequency 4.60 GHz $263 http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AM...7%202700X.html 8C 16T Frequency 3700 MHz Maximum turbo frequency 4300 MHz $329 http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AM...7%201700X.html 8C 16T Frequency 3400 MHz Maximum turbo frequency 3800 MHz $190 ******* RTX 2080 Ti $1314 4352 shaders, ray tracing (too long to fit computer case) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814500433 RTX 2060 $ 350 1920 shaders, ray tracing https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814932115 RX 590 $ 260 2304 shaders (225W!!! warm) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814131742 Later this year, AMD will have a competitor for the high end. $700 Vega,no chiplets https://www.anandtech.com/show/13832...ry-7th-for-699 ******* You could probably combine any of the above and play games. With some combinations providing "hood ornaments" in terms of hardware without a usage. For example, the ray tracing isn't likely to be fast enough to matter, but, it's there. Some of the cards may have more than one usage (hardware assisted video encoder, tensor engine). This year, the price of RAM is supposed to decrease slightly. Although, how RAM manufacturers in China will be entering the market is an unknown. The price of NAND has already come down a bit, as a result of multiple suppliers of 64L or 96L flash chips. Video cards no longer have VGA connectors. If you still own VGA monitors (and who doesn't), you will be expected to fork out more money for adapters. This makes cheap video cards particularly *unattractive*. If you're paying $1000 for a video card, buying three adapters for $20 a piece sounds oh so normal. Less so if you're buying a 1030 (and no, you should not be buying a 1030 anyway - no video encoder). Paul I fixed the link for the 9900K. Paul |
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question about CPUs and GPUs
"Paul" wrote in message
... Yes wrote: Snip The number of shaders on video cards is going up. Only Furmark (a benchmark) seems to use them all. You can play an older game on a 150W video card, and the video card only draws 40 watts. Snip Thought you meant Futuremark - https://benchmarks.ul.com/ Hadn't heard of Furmark - https://geeks3d.com/furmark/ Thanks. -- Regards wasbit |
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question about CPUs and GPUs
wasbit wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ... Yes wrote: Snip The number of shaders on video cards is going up. Only Furmark (a benchmark) seems to use them all. You can play an older game on a 150W video card, and the video card only draws 40 watts. Snip Thought you meant Futuremark - https://benchmarks.ul.com/ Hadn't heard of Furmark - https://geeks3d.com/furmark/ Thanks. Furmark is for verifying the power limiter on your video card. The driver is capable of different optimizations depending on load. During "Smoke-Particles", it operates in VREL mode, meaning the core voltage of the GPU is high, the core frequency is high, but not all the shaders are being used fully. https://i.postimg.cc/GhvnCqFw/Smoke-Particles2.jpg Whereas with Furmark, the card goes into power limiting. The voltage is reduced so volts*amps stays below the card limit. When the voltage drops, the core frequency has to drop, and the core frequency can't be as high as in the previous example. https://i.postimg.cc/85cZzPxf/furmark.jpg Presumably it's also possible to be temperature limited, but I haven't left either of those tests running long enough to find out. The card I bought is a "short" card with two fans instead of three fans. If I had bought a card with three fans, the card would not fit in the computer case. Paul |
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