Can someone clear up this controversy?

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a converter?
I see many reviews from companies stating that you can. Also, doesn't
the AIW have a component video adapter for HDTV? According to
"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option. And while we're at it
this same site claims you can't pvr digital cable channels, my
understanding is you can by using your cable box as the tuner. I see
many reviews of this card, both by companies and users, that
contradict each other. I need to know once and for all....can you use
DVI and HDTV with optional hookups as well as record digital cable
stations bypassing the Phillips tuner on the AIW 9600 Pro cards?

On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a converter?
I see many reviews from companies stating that you can. Also, doesn't
the AIW have a component video adapter for HDTV? According to
"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option. And while we're at it
this same site claims you can't pvr digital cable channels, my
understanding is you can by using your cable box as the tuner. I see
many reviews of this card, both by companies and users, that
contradict each other. I need to know once and for all....can you use
DVI and HDTV with optional hookups as well as record digital cable
stations bypassing the Phillips tuner on the AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600 All-In-Wonder, then
click on "see it" and you'll see photos of everything that comes in the
box. Note that the dongle has two VGA connectors and no DVI. There is
no way to get DVI from VGA. Go over to the ATI site, look for a DVI
adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you won't find one. Ditto for an
HDTV adapter. If you find a third-party solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable channels
via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable provider has
started putting Macrovision on the signal or something.


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I think the point is that you cannot easily change channels on the digital
cable box.

Tom
"J.Clarke" wrote in message
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On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a converter?
I see many reviews from companies stating that you can. Also, doesn't
the AIW have a component video adapter for HDTV? According to
"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option. And while we're at it
this same site claims you can't pvr digital cable channels, my
understanding is you can by using your cable box as the tuner. I see
many reviews of this card, both by companies and users, that
contradict each other. I need to know once and for all....can you use
DVI and HDTV with optional hookups as well as record digital cable
stations bypassing the Phillips tuner on the AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600 All-In-Wonder, then
click on "see it" and you'll see photos of everything that comes in the
box. Note that the dongle has two VGA connectors and no DVI. There is
no way to get DVI from VGA. Go over to the ATI site, look for a DVI
adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you won't find one. Ditto for an
HDTV adapter. If you find a third-party solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable channels
via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable provider has
started putting Macrovision on the signal or something.


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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:58:56 -0500
"Tom Scales" wrote:

I think the point is that you cannot easily change channels on the
digital cable box.

Depends on how much effort you are willing to put into setting things
up. http://www.fukushima.us/UIRT2/ has links to everything you need.
For more detailed information on setting things up go to
http://www.avsforum.com and search the fora on keywords "girder" and
"UIRT2".

Be nice if ATI included an IR-out with programming package but nobody
else does that so there's no reason to expect them to start.

Tom
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On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a
converter? I see many reviews from companies stating that you can.
Also, doesn't the AIW have a component video adapter for HDTV?
According to"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option. And while
we're at it this same site claims you can't pvr digital cable
channels, my understanding is you can by using your cable box as
the tuner. I see many reviews of this card, both by companies and
users, that contradict each other. I need to know once and for
all....can you use DVI and HDTV with optional hookups as well as
record digital cable stations bypassing the Phillips tuner on the
AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600 All-In-Wonder,
then click on "see it" and you'll see photos of everything that
comes in the box. Note that the dongle has two VGA connectors and
no DVI. There is no way to get DVI from VGA. Go over to the ATI
site, look for a DVI adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you won't
find one. Ditto for an HDTV adapter. If you find a third-party
solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable
channels via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable
provider has started putting Macrovision on the signal or something.


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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)




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"J.Clarke" wrote in message id...
On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a converter?
I see many reviews from companies stating that you can. Also, doesn't
the AIW have a component video adapter for HDTV? According to
"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option. And while we're at it
this same site claims you can't pvr digital cable channels, my
understanding is you can by using your cable box as the tuner. I see
many reviews of this card, both by companies and users, that
contradict each other. I need to know once and for all....can you use
DVI and HDTV with optional hookups as well as record digital cable
stations bypassing the Phillips tuner on the AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600 All-In-Wonder, then
click on "see it" and you'll see photos of everything that comes in the
box. Note that the dongle has two VGA connectors and no DVI. There is
no way to get DVI from VGA. Go over to the ATI site, look for a DVI
adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you won't find one. Ditto for an
HDTV adapter. If you find a third-party solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable channels
via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable provider has
started putting Macrovision on the signal or something.


--

Where are you getting your info? The ATI site specifically states that
the AIW 9600 Pro is HDTV capable with the appropiate optional adapter
whereras the 9800 and 9700 has it included in the box. It even says
this on back of the retail box. Also, a couple of the tech companies
reviewing the AIW 9600 state that a DVI converter is possible but
don't go into details.

On 20 Dec 2003 23:17:35 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a
converter? I see many reviews from companies stating that you can.
Also, doesn't the AIW have a component video adapter for HDTV?
According to"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option. And while
we're at it this same site claims you can't pvr digital cable
channels, my understanding is you can by using your cable box as
the tuner. I see many reviews of this card, both by companies and
users, that contradict each other. I need to know once and for
all....can you use DVI and HDTV with optional hookups as well as
record digital cable stations bypassing the Phillips tuner on the
AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600 All-In-Wonder,
then click on "see it" and you'll see photos of everything that
comes in the box. Note that the dongle has two VGA connectors and
no DVI. There is no way to get DVI from VGA. Go over to the ATI
site, look for a DVI adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you won't
find one. Ditto for an HDTV adapter. If you find a third-party
solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable
channels via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable
provider has started putting Macrovision on the signal or something.


--

Where are you getting your info? The ATI site specifically states that
the AIW 9600 Pro is HDTV capable with the appropiate optional adapter
whereras the 9800 and 9700 has it included in the box. It even says
this on back of the retail box. Also, a couple of the tech companies
reviewing the AIW 9600 state that a DVI converter is possible but
don't go into details.

Please provide a link to the "appropriate optional adapter" and the "DVI
converter".


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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J.Clarke" wrote in message id...
On 20 Dec 2003 23:17:35 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a
converter? I see many reviews from companies stating that you can.
Also, doesn't the AIW have a component video adapter for HDTV?
According to"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option. And while
we're at it this same site claims you can't pvr digital cable
channels, my understanding is you can by using your cable box as
the tuner. I see many reviews of this card, both by companies and
users, that contradict each other. I need to know once and for
all....can you use DVI and HDTV with optional hookups as well as
record digital cable stations bypassing the Phillips tuner on the
AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600 All-In-Wonder,
then click on "see it" and you'll see photos of everything that
comes in the box. Note that the dongle has two VGA connectors and
no DVI. There is no way to get DVI from VGA. Go over to the ATI
site, look for a DVI adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you won't
find one. Ditto for an HDTV adapter. If you find a third-party
solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable
channels via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable
provider has started putting Macrovision on the signal or something.


--

Where are you getting your info? The ATI site specifically states that
the AIW 9600 Pro is HDTV capable with the appropiate optional adapter
whereras the 9800 and 9700 has it included in the box. It even says
this on back of the retail box. Also, a couple of the tech companies
reviewing the AIW 9600 state that a DVI converter is possible but
don't go into details.

Please provide a link to the "appropriate optional adapter" and the "DVI
converter".


--

Just go to the ATI websiteproductsmultimediaproduct comparison
click the AIW 9600 and 9800 boxes and open your eyes.

On 21 Dec 2003 14:32:15 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 23:17:35 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a
converter? I see many reviews from companies stating that you
can. Also, doesn't the AIW have a component video adapter for
HDTV? According to"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option.
And while we're at it this same site claims you can't pvr
digital cable channels, my understanding is you can by using
your cable box as the tuner. I see many reviews of this card,
both by companies and users, that contradict each other. I
need to know once and for all....can you use DVI and HDTV with
optional hookups as well as record digital cable stations
bypassing the Phillips tuner on the AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600
All-In-Wonder, then click on "see it" and you'll see photos of
everything that comes in the box. Note that the dongle has two
VGA connectors and no DVI. There is no way to get DVI from VGA.
Go over to the ATI
site, look for a DVI adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you
won't find one. Ditto for an HDTV adapter. If you find a
third-party solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one
IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable
channels via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable
provider has started putting Macrovision on the signal or
something.


--

Where are you getting your info? The ATI site specifically states
that the AIW 9600 Pro is HDTV capable with the appropiate optional
adapter whereras the 9800 and 9700 has it included in the box. It
even says this on back of the retail box. Also, a couple of the
tech companies reviewing the AIW 9600 state that a DVI converter
is possible but don't go into details.

Please provide a link to the "appropriate optional adapter" and the
"DVI converter".


--

Just go to the ATI websiteproductsmultimediaproduct comparison
click the AIW 9600 and 9800 boxes and open your eyes.

Perhaps you should try this yourself and this time read the row that
says "DVI" and note the capital letters in the "All-In-Wonder 9600"
column. How's that foot taste?

As for the HDTV adapter, it turns out that they do have one available
now that they did not have available, or if they did, did not list as
being compatible with the 9600 AIW, when I was considering purchasing
the board, and I apologize for the incorrect information on that topic.

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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J.Clarke" wrote in message id...
On 21 Dec 2003 14:32:15 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 23:17:35 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a
converter? I see many reviews from companies stating that you
can. Also, doesn't the AIW have a component video adapter for
HDTV? According to"DesignTechnica" you don't have that option.
And while we're at it this same site claims you can't pvr
digital cable channels, my understanding is you can by using
your cable box as the tuner. I see many reviews of this card,
both by companies and users, that contradict each other. I
need to know once and for all....can you use DVI and HDTV with
optional hookups as well as record digital cable stations
bypassing the Phillips tuner on the AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600
All-In-Wonder, then click on "see it" and you'll see photos of
everything that comes in the box. Note that the dongle has two
VGA connectors and no DVI. There is no way to get DVI from VGA.
Go over to the ATI
site, look for a DVI adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you
won't find one. Ditto for an HDTV adapter. If you find a
third-party solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good one
IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable
channels via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the cable
provider has started putting Macrovision on the signal or
something.


--

Where are you getting your info? The ATI site specifically states
that the AIW 9600 Pro is HDTV capable with the appropiate optional
adapter whereras the 9800 and 9700 has it included in the box. It
even says this on back of the retail box. Also, a couple of the
tech companies reviewing the AIW 9600 state that a DVI converter
is possible but don't go into details.

Please provide a link to the "appropriate optional adapter" and the
"DVI converter".


--

Just go to the ATI websiteproductsmultimediaproduct comparison
click the AIW 9600 and 9800 boxes and open your eyes.

Perhaps you should try this yourself and this time read the row that
says "DVI" and note the capital letters in the "All-In-Wonder 9600"
column. How's that foot taste?

As for the HDTV adapter, it turns out that they do have one available
now that they did not have available, or if they did, did not list as
being compatible with the 9600 AIW, when I was considering purchasing
the board, and I apologize for the incorrect information on that topic.

--

No need to apologize, i am not trying to start an argument. On my
original post i never stated that the DVI adapter was listed on the
ATI site, just the HDTV part. What i did say concerning the DVI was
that some tech reviews like at "DesignTechnica" mentioned that a DVI
adapter was possible. I'm still trying to decide if a DVI connection
is worth $150. Or if DVI only pertains to gaming.

On 21 Dec 2003 22:48:38 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 21 Dec 2003 14:32:15 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 23:17:35 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

"J.Clarke" wrote in message
id...
On 20 Dec 2003 01:01:16 -0800
(casino_boy) wrote:

What's the deal, can or cannot the AIW 9600 use DVI with a
converter? I see many reviews from companies stating that
you can. Also, doesn't the AIW have a component video
adapter for HDTV? According to"DesignTechnica" you don't
have that option. And while we're at it this same site
claims you can't pvr digital cable channels, my
understanding is you can by using your cable box as the
tuner. I see many reviews of this card, both by companies
and users, that contradict each other. I need to know once
and for all....can you use DVI and HDTV with optional
hookups as well as record digital cable stations bypassing
the Phillips tuner on the AIW 9600 Pro cards?

Go over to http://www.newegg.com and find the 9600
All-In-Wonder, then click on "see it" and you'll see photos
of everything that comes in the box. Note that the dongle
has two VGA connectors and no DVI. There is no way to get
DVI from VGA.
Go over to the ATI
site, look for a DVI adapter for the 9600 All-In-Wonder, you
won't find one. Ditto for an HDTV adapter. If you find a
third-party solution let us all know.

Obviously an experiment on ATI's part and not a very good
one IMO.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't record digital cable
channels via the composite or s-video inputs, unless the
cable provider has started putting Macrovision on the signal
or something.


--

Where are you getting your info? The ATI site specifically
states that the AIW 9600 Pro is HDTV capable with the
appropiate optional adapter whereras the 9800 and 9700 has it
included in the box. It even says this on back of the retail
box. Also, a couple of the tech companies reviewing the AIW
9600 state that a DVI converter is possible but don't go into
details.

Please provide a link to the "appropriate optional adapter" and
the"DVI converter".


--

Just go to the ATI websiteproductsmultimediaproduct comparison
click the AIW 9600 and 9800 boxes and open your eyes.

Perhaps you should try this yourself and this time read the row that
says "DVI" and note the capital letters in the "All-In-Wonder 9600"
column. How's that foot taste?

As for the HDTV adapter, it turns out that they do have one
available now that they did not have available, or if they did, did
not list as being compatible with the 9600 AIW, when I was
considering purchasing the board, and I apologize for the incorrect
information on that topic.

--

No need to apologize, i am not trying to start an argument. On my
original post i never stated that the DVI adapter was listed on the
ATI site, just the HDTV part. What i did say concerning the DVI was
that some tech reviews like at "DesignTechnica" mentioned that a DVI
adapter was possible. I'm still trying to decide if a DVI connection
is worth $150. Or if DVI only pertains to gaming.

Depends on what you are doing, how sensitive you are to image quality,
and what kind of monitor you're using. Generally speaking if you are
using an LCD display DVI will give you better image quality than
VGA--the LCD is a digital device so there's not much to gain by
converting the digital signal to analog in the video board and then back
to digital in the monitor--how much difference there is in the real
world depends on how good the ADCs in the monitor are--with some it's
like night and day, with others it's hard to tell. If you're using a CRT
it doesn't make a lot of difference--they're analog devices so they tend
to work better with analog signals--whether you get a better picture
with DVI depends on whether the DAC in the monitor is better than the
DAC in the video board--usually it isn't. If you're using an HDTV you
may find that the DVI gives you a much better picture than VGA or
component--that was the case with mine, so no DVI was a showstopper.


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