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Acronis True Image 7.0: Image verify, and bootable DVD image write?
Hello,
I am evaluating Acronis True Image 7.0, have previously only used DriveImage and Ghost (2003). True Image so far looks truly impressive. However, I have 2 key questions/concerns: 1) Image verify I created an image, then verified it with the source partition (my WinXP system parition), and the image "verified successfully." I then removed and added a couple minor files to my source partition, reran the verify, and I still get the "verified successfully" message. Bummer, not what I expected. What makes it verify unsuccessfully? 2) Creating bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh" a system? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system refresh" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Norton seems to have some docs on how to make this (at least for a CD): http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...&osv=&osv_lvl= TrueImage claims DVD writing...but can it handle my above scenario requirements? Thanks for any help, Matt -- Remove the obvious text (including the dash) to email me. |
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I am also interested in the Acronis True Image 7.0 product. Have you had
any luck in getting answers from their sales and/or tech people? I have left 4 different phone messages to have a sales person call me, to no avail. I then purchased the boxed version of the product online (I wanted a CD and hard copy manual) only to be informed later that it was backordered. I have also emailed tech support with several question - again no response. I am concerned about the level of support that I will get from Acronis. Have you had luck in making contact with them? If so, how did you do it? Thanks, Harvey Matt wrote: Hello, I am evaluating Acronis True Image 7.0, have previously only used DriveImage and Ghost (2003). True Image so far looks truly impressive. However, I have 2 key questions/concerns: 1) Image verify I created an image, then verified it with the source partition (my WinXP system parition), and the image "verified successfully." I then removed and added a couple minor files to my source partition, reran the verify, and I still get the "verified successfully" message. Bummer, not what I expected. What makes it verify unsuccessfully? 2) Creating bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh" a system? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system refresh" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Norton seems to have some docs on how to make this (at least for a CD): http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...&osv=&osv_lvl= TrueImage claims DVD writing...but can it handle my above scenario requirements? Thanks for any help, Matt -- Remove the obvious text (including the dash) to email me. |
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Matt wrote:
1) Image verify I created an image, then verified it with the source partition (my WinXP system parition), and the image "verified successfully." I then removed and added a couple minor files to my source partition, reran the verify, and I still get the "verified successfully" message. Bummer, not what I expected. What makes it verify unsuccessfully? TI only verifies that the image is readable and the structure is intact. It does not compare it to the original disk/partition. AFAIK, no imaging product does a compare to the original. 2) Creating bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh" a system? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system refresh" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Can't day for sure, but I don't think so. |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:43:23 GMT, Matt
wrote: Don't know if you looked at the FAQ posted on the Acronis web site with regard to True Image 7.0. According to their FAQ, DVD disks must be formatted (UDF) prior to use by using a program such as Nero InCD, Roxio DirectCD, or Veritas DLA. Again from their FAQ, it seems to indicate that you can write the images to your hard drive and then burn them direct to DVD. You would of course have to use your DVD burning program to make the disk bootable. However, it would seem to me that the True Image program would also have to be on the DVD so that the process is automatically run upon bootup. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:51:01 GMT, Harvey Gratt wrote: I am also interested in the Acronis True Image 7.0 product. Have you had any luck in getting answers from their sales and/or tech people? My email to Acronis support below represents the extent of my contact with Acronis. (Note that my original email has embedded web links that the text below does not show.) I just sent this note a few seconds ago, and have only received an automated response back. If I remember to do it (no guarantees), I'll post back here if I get a human followup. -Matt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:39:31 -0600 To: From: Matt Subject: Create bootable DVD with system reload image? Can I create bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh"/reload a system using TrueImage (any version)? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system reload" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Norton seems to have some docs (see the link here) on how to make this (at least for a CD) using Ghost 2003. Can similar process happen with TrueImage? TrueImage claims DVD writing...but can it handle my above scenario requirements? I have also started this usenet thread asking about this, so far, the one response I have thinks that there is no means to do this. -Matt |
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Matt wrote:
Hello, I am evaluating Acronis True Image 7.0, have previously only used DriveImage and Ghost (2003). True Image so far looks truly impressive. However, I have 2 key questions/concerns: 1) Image verify I created an image, then verified it with the source partition (my WinXP system parition), and the image "verified successfully." I then removed and added a couple minor files to my source partition, reran the verify, and I still get the "verified successfully" message. Bummer, not what I expected. What makes it verify unsuccessfully? Image verify is used to verify the archive integrity. For example, it would detect if there was an error writing to the destination, or if the media that the image was written to has developed errors. I assume it's doing some sort of checksum/hashing routine. It does not compare the files in the archive to the source again. 2) Creating bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh" a system? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system refresh" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Yes, it's possible. But you'll need to create the disc yourself. There's no option to add files to the bootable media that TrueImage creates, plus it's for a bootable CD, rather than DVD. 1. Create a Bootable Rescue CD using the Acronis software. 2. Create an image of that Bootable CD using your CD authoring software. 3. Open that image file using WinISO 4. Save boot information to a file called "trueimg.wbt" 5. Get CD Shell and extract it to a directory somewhere http://www.cs.uic.edu/~mter/cdshell/ 6. Get Bootable CD Wizard for CD Shell and extract those files to the [cdshell]\boot subdirectory that you selected above. Overwrite the cdshell.ini file if it prompts you http://bootcd.narod.ru/ Now you're ready to create the bootable DVD. 7. Open Nero and create a new DVD-ROM (Boot) project. 8. On the Boot tab, select Image file, and select the file [cdshell]\boot\loader.bin 9. Use the "No Emulation" setting, and the number of loaded sectors should be 4. (Other values should be left at the default) 10. Create a DVD directory structure like this: / (root) (Put your system backup / image (TIB) files here) | + BOOT (The CDShell / BCDW files reside here) | + ACRONIS (put the trueimg.wbt file here) That's it. Save your Nero project and that way the next time you want to create a bootable rescue disc, all you will need to do is update your TIB files. (Or if you overwrite the old TIB files, Nero will pick up the changes and automatically include the latest version) Once you're satisfied that it works, you can edit your \boot\bcds\bcds.ini file to get rid of the extra junk, and probably set it up to automatically boot right into Acronis. Also, in your Acronis backup settings, you're going to want to have 2GB as the max image size. Files larger than that won't fit on an ISO filesystem. -WD |
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Will Dormann wrote:
Matt wrote: Hello, I am evaluating Acronis True Image 7.0, have previously only used DriveImage and Ghost (2003). True Image so far looks truly impressive. However, I have 2 key questions/concerns: 1) Image verify I created an image, then verified it with the source partition (my WinXP system parition), and the image "verified successfully." I then removed and added a couple minor files to my source partition, reran the verify, and I still get the "verified successfully" message. Bummer, not what I expected. What makes it verify unsuccessfully? Image verify is used to verify the archive integrity. For example, it would detect if there was an error writing to the destination, or if the media that the image was written to has developed errors. I assume it's doing some sort of checksum/hashing routine. It does not compare the files in the archive to the source again. 2) Creating bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh" a system? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system refresh" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Yes, it's possible. But you'll need to create the disc yourself. There's no option to add files to the bootable media that TrueImage creates, plus it's for a bootable CD, rather than DVD. 1. Create a Bootable Rescue CD using the Acronis software. 2. Create an image of that Bootable CD using your CD authoring software. 3. Open that image file using WinISO 4. Save boot information to a file called "trueimg.wbt" 5. Get CD Shell and extract it to a directory somewhere http://www.cs.uic.edu/~mter/cdshell/ 6. Get Bootable CD Wizard for CD Shell and extract those files to the [cdshell]\boot subdirectory that you selected above. Overwrite the cdshell.ini file if it prompts you http://bootcd.narod.ru/ Now you're ready to create the bootable DVD. 7. Open Nero and create a new DVD-ROM (Boot) project. 8. On the Boot tab, select Image file, and select the file [cdshell]\boot\loader.bin 9. Use the "No Emulation" setting, and the number of loaded sectors should be 4. (Other values should be left at the default) 10. Create a DVD directory structure like this: / (root) (Put your system backup / image (TIB) files here) | + BOOT (The CDShell / BCDW files reside here) | + ACRONIS (put the trueimg.wbt file here) That's it. Save your Nero project and that way the next time you want to create a bootable rescue disc, all you will need to do is update your TIB files. (Or if you overwrite the old TIB files, Nero will pick up the changes and automatically include the latest version) Once you're satisfied that it works, you can edit your \boot\bcds\bcds.ini file to get rid of the extra junk, and probably set it up to automatically boot right into Acronis. Also, in your Acronis backup settings, you're going to want to have 2GB as the max image size. Files larger than that won't fit on an ISO filesystem. -WD Wd, I also purchased Acronis 7.0, an upgrade from 6.0. I had difficulty backing up my system and contacted tech support. I would start a backup, and it always ended with an error message saying the back up had errors but did not indicate what was wrong. Acronis responded with some new dll files and the backup ran ok. I have not had a chance to restore it to see if it works. I reverted back to Ghost 2003 and have had no probs at all, it works and works correctly every time. Acronis is probably a good product but I am a bit reluctant to use it for my image backup as Acronis would never tell me why I was having problems, and what they did to correct it. My messages to Acronis about what they did to fix it went by the way side or so it seems. |
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I just received an email from Acronis tech support answering my
questions. I feel better now. Harvey Matt wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:51:01 GMT, Harvey Gratt wrote: I am also interested in the Acronis True Image 7.0 product. Have you had any luck in getting answers from their sales and/or tech people? My email to Acronis support below represents the extent of my contact with Acronis. (Note that my original email has embedded web links that the text below does not show.) I just sent this note a few seconds ago, and have only received an automated response back. If I remember to do it (no guarantees), I'll post back here if I get a human followup. -Matt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:39:31 -0600 To: From: Matt Subject: Create bootable DVD with system reload image? Can I create bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh"/reload a system using TrueImage (any version)? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system reload" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Norton seems to have some docs (see the link here) on how to make this (at least for a CD) using Ghost 2003. Can similar process happen with TrueImage? TrueImage claims DVD writing...but can it handle my above scenario requirements? I have also started this usenet thread asking about this, so far, the one response I have thinks that there is no means to do this. -Matt -- Remove the obvious text (including the dash) to email me. |
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So what were their answers ?
"Harvey Gratt" wrote in message news:L7ANb.74427$I06.328352@attbi_s01... I just received an email from Acronis tech support answering my questions. I feel better now. Harvey Matt wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:51:01 GMT, Harvey Gratt wrote: I am also interested in the Acronis True Image 7.0 product. Have you had any luck in getting answers from their sales and/or tech people? My email to Acronis support below represents the extent of my contact with Acronis. (Note that my original email has embedded web links that the text below does not show.) I just sent this note a few seconds ago, and have only received an automated response back. If I remember to do it (no guarantees), I'll post back here if I get a human followup. -Matt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:39:31 -0600 To: From: Matt Subject: Create bootable DVD with system reload image? Can I create bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh"/reload a system using TrueImage (any version)? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system reload" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Norton seems to have some docs (see the link here) on how to make this (at least for a CD) using Ghost 2003. Can similar process happen with TrueImage? TrueImage claims DVD writing...but can it handle my above scenario requirements? I have also started this usenet thread asking about this, so far, the one response I have thinks that there is no means to do this. -Matt -- Remove the obvious text (including the dash) to email me. |
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O.K, the first set of questions/answers is as follows (pretty basic
stuff, but I'm new to this): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Harvey, Thank you for interest in Acronis software! I have placed my answers inline. - Sat Jan 10 02:01:21 2004]: I have several questions regarding this product and cannot get your sales team to call me. 1. Can disk/partition images which are created and stored on a backup medium (say an external USB disk drive) be treated as a "file" and moved to different locations (folders) and/or disk drives? Yes. But you will have to move all image archvie volumes (files). 2. Does the bootable CD have support for USB drives (i.e., are there some form of drivers for USB that are placed on the bootable CD)? Yes. 3. What is needed to get USB support without the OS having to be loaded? Specifically: a. Does the motherboard BIOS have to have firmware drivers for USB, or is this on the bootable CD or both? b. For win98se and win xp pro, what are the hardware/BIOS requirements to enable an image restoration at boot time (without a minimal OS having to be installed)? Nothing special is required. Acronis True Image bootable media is based on Linux that has its own USB drivers. 4. Will an Acronis disk image copy hidden partitions such as the XP recovery partition on some IBM Thinkpad laptops? Yes. You can purchase Acronis True Image at http://www.acronis.com/sales/online -- Sincerely yours, Dennis Dementiev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that I'm not sure about the answer for being able to see hidden partitions, specifically the hidden OS recovery partion on an IBM R40 Thinkpad (there have been other threads on this). Also, they have responded to a follow question about boot time availability of a USB2 PC Card adaptor for a DELL I7500 laptop (win98se). They said that since the USB drivers are on their bootable CD, I should have access to my external HDD via the PC Card at boot time (no need to load a minimaal OS). Harvey Rod Speed wrote: So what were their answers ? "Harvey Gratt" wrote in message news:L7ANb.74427$I06.328352@attbi_s01... I just received an email from Acronis tech support answering my questions. I feel better now. Harvey Matt wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:51:01 GMT, Harvey Gratt wrote: I am also interested in the Acronis True Image 7.0 product. Have you had any luck in getting answers from their sales and/or tech people? My email to Acronis support below represents the extent of my contact with Acronis. (Note that my original email has embedded web links that the text below does not show.) I just sent this note a few seconds ago, and have only received an automated response back. If I remember to do it (no guarantees), I'll post back here if I get a human followup. -Matt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:39:31 -0600 To: From: Matt Subject: Create bootable DVD with system reload image? Can I create bootable DVD image write disks that can "refresh"/reload a system using TrueImage (any version)? I want to copy TrueImage image files to a DVD that I can make bootable such that I insert the DVD into a system, reboot, and the system automatically and with no human input required (except for maybe a "verify system reload" confirmation button) reset the designated partition back to the state of the image. Norton seems to have some docs (see the link here) on how to make this (at least for a CD) using Ghost 2003. Can similar process happen with TrueImage? TrueImage claims DVD writing...but can it handle my above scenario requirements? I have also started this usenet thread asking about this, so far, the one response I have thinks that there is no means to do this. -Matt -- Remove the obvious text (including the dash) to email me. |
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