Buying advice: - Looking to upgrade graphics card.

Would appreciate your advice/ecomendations on a new graphics card

I have an athlon xp 1600
512mb pc2100 ram
windows xp home
Geforce 2 Ti 64mb 44.03 drivers
asdl broadband connection

I think its time to upgrade and my main reason is so that Battlefield 1942
will run smoother. I don't play many other games apart from CS and that
runs fine.

I recently bumped up my memory to 512 from 256 but this only helped slightly
so I figure its time for a new graphics card.


Would appreciate any tips for a new graphics card and at the same time
suitable drivers.
Looking to spend about £150.

Also considering changing cpu to 2600 but rather just change the graphics
card on its own if it will improve things

Many thanks

Mike

radeon 9600 pro

Would appreciate any tips for a new graphics card and at the same time
suitable drivers.
Looking to spend about £150.

Either a Radeon 9500/9600Pro, or a Geforce4Ti4x00 8x with 128MB.

Don't bother with the FX5600 or FX5600Ultra, cos the DX9 performance will be
crap compared with the ATI Radeon 9600Pro.

The Radeon would be my first choice, even if the 5600Ultra were cheaper.
(which it isn't)

However, if you're not bothered about future games, the TI4x00's are the
cheapest of all these cards.

What they said.

A GF4ti is what I would get.
"Mike Spezzano" wrote in message
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Would appreciate your advice/ecomendations on a new graphics card

I have an athlon xp 1600
512mb pc2100 ram
windows xp home
Geforce 2 Ti 64mb 44.03 drivers
asdl broadband connection

I think its time to upgrade and my main reason is so that Battlefield 1942
will run smoother. I don't play many other games apart from CS and that
runs fine.

I recently bumped up my memory to 512 from 256 but this only helped
slightly
so I figure its time for a new graphics card.


Would appreciate any tips for a new graphics card and at the same time
suitable drivers.
Looking to spend about £150.

Also considering changing cpu to 2600 but rather just change the graphics
card on its own if it will improve things

Many thanks

Mike

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:59:11 +0100, "that bloke" wrote:

Hi,

Would appreciate any tips for a new graphics card and at the same time
suitable drivers.
Looking to spend about £150.

Either a Radeon 9500/9600Pro, or a Geforce4Ti4x00 8x with 128MB.

Don't bother with the FX5600 or FX5600Ultra, cos the DX9 performance will be
crap compared with the ATI Radeon 9600Pro.

The Radeon would be my first choice, even if the 5600Ultra were cheaper.
(which it isn't)

However, if you're not bothered about future games, the TI4x00's are the
cheapest of all these cards.

What is the source of your information that the FX cards will be crap
with Direct X 9 games. There has not been any, as far as I know,
Direct X 9 games been released yet. If the FX cards are crap, compared
to the ATI line, when Direct X 9 games are released then we may call
them crap.

If you bought a FX chipped card why if you know that it's crap and if
you haven't what the hell are you doing on this newsgroup. Maybe just
to slag off the FX range of cards.

Ian.

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"Ian" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:59:11 +0100, "that bloke" wrote:

Hi,

Would appreciate any tips for a new graphics card and at the same time
suitable drivers.
Looking to spend about £150.

Either a Radeon 9500/9600Pro, or a Geforce4Ti4x00 8x with 128MB.

Don't bother with the FX5600 or FX5600Ultra, cos the DX9 performance will
be
crap compared with the ATI Radeon 9600Pro.

The Radeon would be my first choice, even if the 5600Ultra were cheaper.
(which it isn't)

However, if you're not bothered about future games, the TI4x00's are the
cheapest of all these cards.

What is the source of your information that the FX cards will be crap
with Direct X 9 games. There has not been any, as far as I know,
Direct X 9 games been released yet. If the FX cards are crap, compared
to the ATI line, when Direct X 9 games are released then we may call
them crap.

If you bought a FX chipped card why if you know that it's crap and if
you haven't what the hell are you doing on this newsgroup. Maybe just
to slag off the FX range of cards.

Ian.

I own a Ti4800SE, does that quality for a free pass into this newgroup? Even
if I didn't own the card, I would still know about the HL2 benchmarks, as
well as the other comments on nVidia's poor pixel shading performance.

Based on the current information on DX9 pixel shading, the FX cards at
5600Ultra, and below, are ****e.

So at this particular point in time, my advice is that no-one should buy a
FX5600Ultra or below. I was even going to upgrade my 4800SE to a 5600Ultra,
but now I know that would be a waste of money.

Far better to buy a Ti4x00, as the price/performance ratio is far better.

And if you want DX9, go for an ATI9600Pro or above. If you want nVidia DX9,
go for a 5900Ultra, albeit slower and more expensive than a Radeon 9800Pro.

Does that sound like a slagging off to you, or just a fair assessment of all
the data available?

"that bloke" wrote in message . ..

"Ian" wrote in message
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[...]
What is the source of your information that the FX cards will be crap
with Direct X 9 games. There has not been any, as far as I know,
Direct X 9 games been released yet. If the FX cards are crap, compared
to the ATI line, when Direct X 9 games are released then we may call
them crap.

If you bought a FX chipped card why if you know that it's crap and if
you haven't what the hell are you doing on this newsgroup. Maybe just
to slag off the FX range of cards.

Ian.

I own a Ti4800SE, does that quality for a free pass into this newgroup? Even
if I didn't own the card, I would still know about the HL2 benchmarks, as
well as the other comments on nVidia's poor pixel shading performance.

Based on the current information on DX9 pixel shading, the FX cards at
5600Ultra, and below, are ****e.
[...]

Oh, what a load of cobblers. Prior to the HL2 benchmarks the FX5600 was a great
gfx card and had an excellent price/performance ratio. After the publication of the
benchmark the FX5600 is now "****e." But games perform just as well now as they
ever did. Yet the FX5600 is now thought of as "****e." Bloody hell... Some peoples'
reactions I will ~never~ understand no matter how hard I try.

Halflife's Second Coming is a couple of months away. Driver 50.xx is in the pipeline,
and nVidia's chief scientist said the low HL2 score was due to the drivers ~not~
the cards. So, please, lay off the poop slinging until H__FL_F returns.

Tony.

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Prior to the HL2 benchmarks the FX5600 was a great
gfx card and had an excellent price/performance ratio.

I agree, and prior to 1993, the 486 was a great CPU.

After the publication of the
benchmark the FX5600 is now "****e." But games perform just as well now
as they
ever did. Yet the FX5600 is now thought of as "****e." Bloody hell...
Some peoples'
reactions I will ~never~ understand no matter how hard I try.

Yes, go ahead and buy the FX5600 for today's games. UNLESS you find that the
Ti4x00 is cheaper and does the same job or does it better. Anyone can check
gaming benchmarks for this.

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...ournament_2003

Oh look, the Ti4x00 *is* better for today's games. Tom's has a number of
other benchmark articles which clearly show the same thing.

And don't buy the FX5600/Ultra thinking it will prepare you for the future.
The CURRENT data shows that an ATi9600Pro or above is a much faster, safer
bet.


Halflife's Second Coming is a couple of months away. Driver 50.xx is in
the pipeline,
and nVidia's chief scientist said the low HL2 score was due to the drivers
~not~
the cards. So, please, lay off the poop slinging until H__FL_F returns.

So you are recommending that prospective buyers should buy an FX5600/Ultra,
with the only proponent of the card under DX9 being the manufacturer,
nVidia?

Like I said, it's not poop slinging, it's simply the facts.