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Someone who tells it like it is...and the truth shall set you free.
http://www.omegacorner.com/
Intimidation over innovation? Good one, Nvidia. It's the beginning of the end. Time to wake up and see the writing on the wall (if it wasn't smeared by lowering the LOD settings in favor of better 3Dmark scores...) (waiting for the fanbois) |
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"John Russell" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message news:CAFNa.15117$I8.7233@rwcrnsc53... http://www.omegacorner.com/ Intimidation over innovation? Good one, Nvidia. It's the beginning of the end. Time to wake up and see the writing on the wall (if it wasn't smeared by lowering the LOD settings in favor of better 3Dmark scores...) (waiting for the fanbois) When will you guys get off projecting Nvidia as the big satan. Did I mention myself anywhere in that paragraph? ;^{ ---- I didn't think so! Next, please... The pro's and con's of "open" software is a debate in it's own right. Did you even read what Omega had to say? THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE! (oops, damn caps lock key always sticks while I'm making a point. Sorry...you can go back to sleep now...) The idea that Nvidia have invented "closed" software and are the only company who persues their rights under the law is rediculous. Whose idea is this? Yours, perhaps? The idea that they are alienating themselves from a substantial fraction of the gaming community with their unnecessary bullying, backpedalling, harassment, underhanded behavior, and outright lying is ridiculous, and of possible concern to shareholders and the Board of Directors. I dumped my shares awhile ago (at a substantial profit no less). I still use Nvidia chipset mobos in AMD system builds. I don't play favorites. I just tell it like it is. You didn't read the link did you? If you did, it must have missed your brain on the way from your optic nerve to your keyboard... I suppose all you Radeon users run your software using Linux to avoid using software of that other "devil" called Microsoft. "all you Radeon users" eh? Jumping to conclusions, are we? Maybe you want to look before you leap? FYI I own many examples of either. I can give chapter and verse of good and bad from both ATI and Nvidia. Like I said, I don't play favorites... |
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Sounds like you do not understand what NVIDIA is doing in these situations.
Basicially they do no want drivers posted in any way which might be linked in name to them on any 3rd party website. That is because they do not want to get sued by anyone over faulty drivers. People will sue anyone for almost any reason and NVIDIA is taking this action for this reason. Oh, and by the way the first manufacturer to "cheat" with drivers some years back was ATI and not NVIDIA. I really wish both manufacturers would stick to drivers that perform well in ALL situations, benchmarking or otherwise... regards B "Dave" wrote in message news:CAFNa.15117$I8.7233@rwcrnsc53... http://www.omegacorner.com/ Intimidation over innovation? Good one, Nvidia. It's the beginning of the end. Time to wake up and see the writing on the wall (if it wasn't smeared by lowering the LOD settings in favor of better 3Dmark scores...) (waiting for the fanbois) |
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"B" wrote in message ... Sounds like you do not understand what NVIDIA is doing in these situations. Basicially they do no want drivers posted in any way which might be linked in name to them on any 3rd party website. That is because they do not want to get sued by anyone over faulty drivers. People will sue anyone for almost any reason and NVIDIA is taking this action for this reason. Oh, and by the way the first manufacturer to "cheat" with drivers some years back was ATI and not NVIDIA. I really wish both manufacturers would stick to drivers that perform well in ALL situations, benchmarking or otherwise... I'd be interested in seeing how many hardware manufactures have been sued by users who have"knowingly" installed 3rd party drivers for that hardware. I can't see any way Nvidia can be held legally responsible. Also...damage to PC's ??? I don't think so, Tim. |
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"John Russell" wrote in message ... snip These guys don't just want to report faults, they actively engage in fixing them. And this is a bad thing? I guess we should all just live with the faults then? Is that what you're suggesting? Amazing! As far as I can see, he's done nothing illegal. He didn't touch the source code. The only thing the legal department could have found issue with is the Nvidia banner. *You*obviously*did*not*read*what*he*said*did*you?* And all his mods can be easily duplicated in the privacy of your own home. He was just providing his mods as a service to the community. His disclaimer is clearly worded on the install screen. Anyone with half a brain would realize what that meant. This may sound great to you but it's only considered acceptable behaviour in the "open" software community like Linux. One more time: HE DIDN'T TOUCH THE $%^*@! SOURCE CODE! (damn, there goes that pesky caps lock again! Again, sorry...) Why is this so difficult to comprehend? I hope you aren't working for Nvidia's PR, because you're doing one hell of a bad job...either you're trying to snow me or you're snowblind yourself. Please read more carefully, then get back to me, ok? The vast majority of companies do not condone this behaviour, so don't go making out Nvidia is being especially pig-headed about this. If he had modified the source code, I suppose you would actually have a valid argument. He did not, therefore neither do you... And I'm going to keep saying you becuase it's clear from how you presented the original link that YOU agree whole heartedly with the what is posted there! Why wouldn't he tell the truth? Can you explain this one please? Sure I agree. If he had modified the source code, this would be tantamount to violation of IP statutes. But even Nvidia's legal eagles apparently saw what has so far eluded you in your reasoning. I agree with Omega completely. It is destructive to the spirit of the community. And it will absolutely have lasting repercussions...never mind that ATI has better product this time around. It just strikes me as being silly that instead of diverting resources to effectively better their product line, Nvidia is favoring the strongarm approach. This speaks VOLUMES about a company's ethics and priorities. Well, if you still don't see it, no point in talking to a wall, is there? |
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"B" wrote in message ... Sounds like you do not understand what NVIDIA is doing in these situations. Sure I do. Basicially they do no want drivers posted in any way which might be linked in name to them on any 3rd party website. That is because they do not want to get sued by anyone over faulty drivers. Not possible...nobody gets sued over third-party packages. Especially when the disclaimer is so clearly worded on the install screen. If you think otherwise, then please feel free to elaborate... People will sue anyone for almost any reason and NVIDIA is taking this action for this reason. Bzzt...wrong, thank you for playing. Next contestant please! Sure someone can file suit...the court can also throw it out before it gets to a hearing on grounds of frivolity and/or lack of merit. Who does that cost? The person who didn't read the disclaimer and paid for a retainer anyway. Next case... Oh, and by the way the first manufacturer to "cheat" with drivers some years back was ATI and not NVIDIA. That's debatable. ATI wasn't even a blip on the gaming radar when the TNT came out. And until the R300, they weren't even really competitive...sure they cheated. No question at all. I'm not saying otherwise. And likely still do. But ATI is now doing themselves a tremendous service with their commitment to quality and to the spirit of the community, and if they want to stay on top, it will continue exactly in the direction it is going. Nvidia's downfall is being propagated by a serial comedy of errors on their part alone. If they want to get back on the throne they have a long way to go...now they have to shovel themselves back out from under THEIR OWN pile as well...ah well, so falleth Rome... I really wish both manufacturers would stick to drivers that perform well in ALL situations, benchmarking or otherwise... This is absolutely true, and I agree here completely. That said, I do not like when rendering quality is at all buggered for the sake of some arbitrary benchmark. Optimization of code paths is one thing, but reduction of detail for the sake of placating performance anxieties is to me an underhanded and unacceptable solution. YMMV. regards B "Dave" wrote in message news:CAFNa.15117$I8.7233@rwcrnsc53... http://www.omegacorner.com/ Intimidation over innovation? Good one, Nvidia. It's the beginning of the end. Time to wake up and see the writing on the wall (if it wasn't smeared by lowering the LOD settings in favor of better 3Dmark scores...) (waiting for the fanbois) |
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"Dave" wrote in message news:4YINa.44603$926.4905@sccrnsc03... "John Russell" wrote in message ... snip These guys don't just want to report faults, they actively engage in fixing them. And this is a bad thing? I guess we should all just live with the faults then? Is that what you're suggesting? Amazing! As far as I can see, he's done nothing illegal. He didn't touch the source code. The only thing the legal department could have found issue with is the Nvidia banner. *You*obviously*did*not*read*what*he*said*did*you?* And all his mods can be easily duplicated in the privacy of your own home. He was just providing his mods as a service to the community. His disclaimer is clearly worded on the install screen. Anyone with half a brain would realize what that meant. This may sound great to you but it's only considered acceptable behaviour in the "open" software community like Linux. One more time: HE DIDN'T TOUCH THE $%^*@! SOURCE CODE! (damn, there goes that pesky caps lock again! Again, sorry...) Why is this so difficult to comprehend? I hope you aren't working for Nvidia's PR, because you're doing one hell of a bad job...either you're trying to snow me or you're snowblind yourself. Please read more carefully, then get back to me, ok? The vast majority of companies do not condone this behaviour, so don't go making out Nvidia is being especially pig-headed about this. If he had modified the source code, I suppose you would actually have a valid argument. He did not, therefore neither do you... And I'm going to keep saying you becuase it's clear from how you presented the original link that YOU agree whole heartedly with the what is posted there! Why wouldn't he tell the truth? Can you explain this one please? Sure I agree. If he had modified the source code, this would be tantamount to violation of IP statutes. But even Nvidia's legal eagles apparently saw what has so far eluded you in your reasoning. I agree with Omega completely. It is destructive to the spirit of the community. And it will absolutely have lasting repercussions...never mind that ATI has better product this time around. It just strikes me as being silly that instead of diverting resources to effectively better their product line, Nvidia is favoring the strongarm approach. This speaks VOLUMES about a company's ethics and priorities. Well, if you still don't see it, no point in talking to a wall, is there? Your whole attitude is that if it benefits the end user than it's right. The law does not see things this way. Agreeing with what any site is doing is not a question of truth or lies, it's about sharing the morality or ethos of the site. I happen to believe everthing they say about what Nvidia has done to them to be true, and the ethos of what they where trying to do. That dosn't make it legally right, nor does it make Nvidia unique in trying to shut the activity down. |
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"John Russell" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message news:4YINa.44603$926.4905@sccrnsc03... snip Your whole attitude is that if it benefits the end user than it's right. You're placing overgeneralizations in my keyboard. No this is not "my whole attitude". My position is that if Nvidia had ANY legal grounds to justify this they would have most certainly asserted them. And, naturally, Omega would be forced to comply with the letter of the law. Hence, after all that, the removal of the "offending" banner. Now what, so they get nowhere with Omega (because clearly he is in conformance with the letter of the law) so they go bully Driverheaven into removing his drivers? Hmmm...I'm not sure how you can get your above statement out of what I've already stated, but I hope this serves to clarify things a little... The law does not see things this way. I would imagine that if there were really ANY legal grounds to this whatsoever then they would have been used as leverage, wouldn't you think? Agreeing with what any site is doing is not a question of truth or lies, it's about sharing the morality or ethos of the site. You don't perchance think that what Omega was doing constitutes some moral violation do you? I happen to believe everthing they say about what Nvidia has done to them to be true, and the ethos of what they where trying to do. That dosn't ....insert "necessarily"... make it legally right, nor does it make Nvidia unique in trying to shut the activity down. Well at least we agree on something! ;-) But still your position intrinsically *seems to be* (not "is") that Omega was violating the law. This naturally does not bode well for people who like to tweak their Nvidia driver sets, maybe Unwinder will be forced to stop work on Rivatuner, etc. etc. Think that's next? (Survey sez...) I think you are skirting the issue of legality here. My position is that he has complied exactly with the letter of the law, which is clearly manifest in his statement, and he went the extra step farther to let the community know why, and that he ain't gonna take it either. Good for him. Now Nvidia gets to deal with the backlash of their faux pas... |
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Wow what a debate..I have used the omega drivers on quiet a few occasions
and it CLEARLY states they are not supported by nvidia in any way @ all. Secondly Dave i agree wholeheartdly with what you had to say. Have people forgot that "mr omega" was doing the gamming community a favour ?? One he isnt paid for and one that if we are honest would of took a hell of a lot of his time. I do not belive he has done anything illegal @ all (and i had allready read his statement on his site as i frequently go there and browse the forums ect). My opinon is simple = He has done nothing wrong, he is being treated wrongly/underhandly/****ty for want of a better word. While i agree with {quote}it's only considered acceptable behaviour in the "open" software community like Linux.{quote}. Yes you may have a point there mr Russell but while acceptable behaviour is one thing illegal behaviour is another and mr"omega" DID NOT BREAK THE LAW. I mean if you really have read the whole link and understood it and were able to read between the lines then surely nvidias blood thirsty law hounds would not of only had an issue with mr "Omega" using there logo (they would of had a issue with lots more and would of taken legal action if they belived they were right and mr "omega "was breaking the law. (come on it would of been a warning to others that "tinker" with drivers and would of had much press. Thats all i have to say other than its us the consumers who loose out here (again) and hopefully nvidia will to which will hopefully in turn make them realize what fools they have been. "Dave" wrote in message et... "B" wrote in message ... Sounds like you do not understand what NVIDIA is doing in these situations. Sure I do. Basicially they do no want drivers posted in any way which might be linked in name to them on any 3rd party website. That is because they do not want to get sued by anyone over faulty drivers. Not possible...nobody gets sued over third-party packages. Especially when the disclaimer is so clearly worded on the install screen. If you think otherwise, then please feel free to elaborate... People will sue anyone for almost any reason and NVIDIA is taking this action for this reason. Bzzt...wrong, thank you for playing. Next contestant please! Sure someone can file suit...the court can also throw it out before it gets to a hearing on grounds of frivolity and/or lack of merit. Who does that cost? The person who didn't read the disclaimer and paid for a retainer anyway. Next case... Oh, and by the way the first manufacturer to "cheat" with drivers some years back was ATI and not NVIDIA. That's debatable. ATI wasn't even a blip on the gaming radar when the TNT came out. And until the R300, they weren't even really competitive...sure they cheated. No question at all. I'm not saying otherwise. And likely still do. But ATI is now doing themselves a tremendous service with their commitment to quality and to the spirit of the community, and if they want to stay on top, it will continue exactly in the direction it is going. Nvidia's downfall is being propagated by a serial comedy of errors on their part alone. If they want to get back on the throne they have a long way to go...now they have to shovel themselves back out from under THEIR OWN pile as well...ah well, so falleth Rome... I really wish both manufacturers would stick to drivers that perform well in ALL situations, benchmarking or otherwise... This is absolutely true, and I agree here completely. That said, I do not like when rendering quality is at all buggered for the sake of some arbitrary benchmark. Optimization of code paths is one thing, but reduction of detail for the sake of placating performance anxieties is to me an underhanded and unacceptable solution. YMMV. regards B "Dave" wrote in message news:CAFNa.15117$I8.7233@rwcrnsc53... http://www.omegacorner.com/ Intimidation over innovation? Good one, Nvidia. It's the beginning of the end. Time to wake up and see the writing on the wall (if it wasn't smeared by lowering the LOD settings in favor of better 3Dmark scores...) (waiting for the fanbois) |
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The only thing I have against Nvidia is there really UNREASONABLE high
prices for their cards. Thomas "John Russell" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message news:CAFNa.15117$I8.7233@rwcrnsc53... http://www.omegacorner.com/ Intimidation over innovation? Good one, Nvidia. It's the beginning of the end. Time to wake up and see the writing on the wall (if it wasn't smeared by lowering the LOD settings in favor of better 3Dmark scores...) (waiting for the fanbois) When will you guys get off projecting Nvidia as the big satan. The pro's and con's of "open" software is a debate in it's own right. The idea that Nvidia have invented "closed" software and are the only company who persues their rights under the law is rediculous.I suppose all you Radeon users run your software using Linux to avoid using software of that other "devil" called Microsoft. |
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