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Two questions about my Asus A7N8X deluxe system ....
I have an Alienware pc that has this motherboard and an
AMD Athlon XP 3000+ cpu ... and have two questions about it, if anyone can help me. The CPU had the standard AMD heatsink/fan on the cpu, and I wasnt too impressed with how warm this machine always ran. (and even once, it overheated while simply doing a defrag of the harddrives ... bear in mind, that this case has THREE intake fans, and two EXHAUSTs) I have since bought/installed a 'Thermaltake K7 Volcano 11+ Xaser' heatsink/fan .... and I have a question about my temps (as given by Motherboard Monitor) ... With the orig heatsink/fan on average my idle temps read: Socket 49-50cel Diode 57-59cel ..... With the new Thermaltake ... it reads: Socket 44-45 cel Diode 45-47cel. So, it seems that the new heatsink/fan made a dramatic difference in the Diode temps, but only a minor one with the Socket temp. My question is simply is this the kind of difference I should have noticed? (I would have thought whatever difference should have been the same for both Socket and Diode) My 2nd question: This system came with 1 gb (2 x 512mb) Corsair pc2700 XMS ram. I happen to have an extra stick of Crucial PC2700 (512mb) here, and was curious if I could use it in this machine. Alienware said they didnt know if it'd be compatible, but "as the XMS ram has very criticial timings, it probably wouldnt work with the mix" Does anyone have any thoughts on whether this ram mix would/could work? (no big deal really, I just thought, as I have it laying here, I should try to use it) Thank you all, for taking the time to read this. A little longwinded, but I wanted to make sure I explained the questions thoroughly. |
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Mark Timerding wrote: I have an Alienware pc that has this motherboard and an AMD Athlon XP 3000+ cpu ... and have two questions about it, if anyone can help me. The CPU had the standard AMD heatsink/fan on the cpu, and I wasnt too impressed with how warm this machine always ran. (and even once, it overheated while simply doing a defrag of the harddrives ... bear in mind, that this case has THREE intake fans, and two EXHAUSTs) I have since bought/installed a 'Thermaltake K7 Volcano 11+ Xaser' heatsink/fan .... and I have a question about my temps (as given by Motherboard Monitor) ... With the orig heatsink/fan on average my idle temps read: Socket 49-50cel Diode 57-59cel ..... With the new Thermaltake ... it reads: Socket 44-45 cel Diode 45-47cel. So, it seems that the new heatsink/fan made a dramatic difference in the Diode temps, but only a minor one with the Socket temp. My question is simply is this the kind of difference I should have noticed? (I would have thought whatever difference should have been the same for both Socket and Diode) My 2nd question: This system came with 1 gb (2 x 512mb) Corsair pc2700 XMS ram. I happen to have an extra stick of Crucial PC2700 (512mb) here, and was curious if I could use it in this machine. Alienware said they didnt know if it'd be compatible, but "as the XMS ram has very criticial timings, it probably wouldnt work with the mix" Does anyone have any thoughts on whether this ram mix would/could work? (no big deal really, I just thought, as I have it laying here, I should try to use it) Thank you all, for taking the time to read this. A little longwinded, but I wanted to make sure I explained the questions thoroughly. Q1: The diode temp taken from a sensor on the chip is highly likely to show greater decreases/increases in temp than the socket temp, which has an airspace between the chip and sensor. Because of the space which acts as a buffer, temp changes and their ratio's are not equal between readings. Q2: putting the extra stick in would likely give you more headaches than benefit. If you have 1 Gb already installed, that's more than your programs will likely ever need. Unless your using some very intense applications, I'd leave it out. HTH Rob |
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On 5-Jan-2004, Rob wrote: Q1: The diode temp taken from a sensor on the chip is highly likely to Thanks for the reply ...if I can pick your brain for a further clarification: I understand WHY there would be a difference between diode/socket ... but, am still confused why a different heatsink, would make a difference on mostly just the diode temp. In other words, the diode temp has clearly dropped about 10 deg with the new heatsink, where the Socket temp dropped only 2 or 3. Forgive my stupidy, just trying to understand. Maybe it would help if I knew, exactly WHERE (physically) the two sensors are located on this cpu/mobo? |
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Rob wrote in message news:J4fKb.64122$I07.276811@attbi_s53...
Mark Timerding wrote: I have an Alienware pc that has this motherboard and an AMD Athlon XP 3000+ cpu ... and have two questions about it, if anyone can help me. The CPU had the standard AMD heatsink/fan on the cpu, and I wasnt too impressed with how warm this machine always ran. (and even once, it overheated while simply doing a defrag of the harddrives ... bear in mind, that this case has THREE intake fans, and two EXHAUSTs) I have since bought/installed a 'Thermaltake K7 Volcano 11+ Xaser' heatsink/fan .... and I have a question about my temps (as given by Motherboard Monitor) ... With the orig heatsink/fan on average my idle temps read: Socket 49-50cel Diode 57-59cel ..... With the new Thermaltake ... it reads: Socket 44-45 cel Diode 45-47cel. So, it seems that the new heatsink/fan made a dramatic difference in the Diode temps, but only a minor one with the Socket temp. My question is simply is this the kind of difference I should have noticed? (I would have thought whatever difference should have been the same for both Socket and Diode) My 2nd question: This system came with 1 gb (2 x 512mb) Corsair pc2700 XMS ram. I happen to have an extra stick of Crucial PC2700 (512mb) here, and was curious if I could use it in this machine. Alienware said they didnt know if it'd be compatible, but "as the XMS ram has very criticial timings, it probably wouldnt work with the mix" Does anyone have any thoughts on whether this ram mix would/could work? (no big deal really, I just thought, as I have it laying here, I should try to use it) Thank you all, for taking the time to read this. A little longwinded, but I wanted to make sure I explained the questions thoroughly. I can only add to question #1. I think maybe that the original heatsink/fan may not have been put on properly to begin with. No company, especially a company like Alienware will consistently ship out machines that run that hot. Too many warranty costs. I think when you put on the new heatsink/fan, you seated it properly giving you the difference in diode temps. I recently redid mine, and the diode temps dropped 7 deg C with a new coating of Artic Silver. Something tells me I did not do a good enough job the first time. |
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Mark Timerding wrote: On 5-Jan-2004, Rob wrote: 0 Q001: The diode temp taken from a sensor on the chip is highly likely to 0 0 Thanks for the reply ...if I can pick your brain for a further clarification: I understand WHY there would be a difference between diode/socket ... but, am still confused why a different heatsink, would make a difference on mostly just the diode temp. In other words, the diode temp has clearly dropped about 10 deg with the new heatsink, where the Socket temp dropped only 2 or 3. Forgive my stupidy, just trying to understand. Maybe it would help if I knew, exactly WHERE (physically) the two sensors are located on this cpu/mobo? The heat sink, in direct contact with the core (where the CPU temp is measured), will transfer the heat at different rates dependent on it's material, copper and/or aluminum. The metal may be cooled at different rates based on the fans speed/area. The installation method can also play a role, as Broedie mentioned. The socket temp sensor is typically a diode mounted on the Mobo, in the socket well, under the CPU. The board absorbs and transfers heat at a steady rate and even though your new HSF is much more efficient at cooling the top side of the core, the temp build-up in the socket well is only reduced marginally. For this same reason, you can see larger/faster swings in CPU temp than in the socket temp when the system is operating. HTH Rob |
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On 5-Jan-2004, Rob wrote: The heat sink, in direct contact with the core Thanks Rob for that further explanation ...while I did not initially clearly understand this explanation .... that explanation, combined with having watched the reported socket and diode temps in motherboard monitor the past two days ... and I realized, that it has been functioning exactly how you described, so now I know WHY! Thanks alot, again .... For Broedie: as much as I may like to 'blame' Alienware for this snafu ... I can't, as they replaced the motherboard shortly after I received this computer, and thus the cpu/heatsink was NOT the way they shipped it, but was redone by an 'onsite' tech. And for your comment: "maybe when you installed the new heasink you did it right..;.." that gave me a chuckle, ME do something right on this computer? LOL (well, I suppose I do turn it on in the morning, the right way) Thanks for your input |
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