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nVidia GPU reccomendadtion please.



 
 
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  #11  
Old February 8th 18, 04:43 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default nVidia GPU reccomendadtion please.

What I've noticed about GPU model numbers is you want the high-end in
each range. The low-end is equivalent to mid-range in the lower number
series. Sorry, but that card makers are going to keep upping their
prices as new games come out that require the higher end cards.

The home PC that I've had since 2013 was a salvaged unit originally
dating back to 2009 (an Acer with an uberboob BIOS so no settings of
note there). I had to replace several components that got fried,
including the video card. Got an AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB for $145 on a
big discount sale. After 4 years, Newegg (where I bought the HD 7870)
is selling another for $380. Yikes.

I suspect you could toss $1000 USD at a new video card and you'd still
be disappointed with that game. Seems something is screwed up as your
hardware far exceeds their minimum requirements. Have you ran any
benchmarks on your setup to make sure the CPU is running at expected
clock, same for GPU, memory, SSD/HDD, etc? I've seen where a user
complained about a huge drop in performance which turned out to be the
multiplier in BIOS somehow got changed.

Before tossing gobs of money at a new video card, I'd go to multibooting
(but I wouldn't use Microsoft's dual-booting and instead use a
multi-boot manager, like GAG). Create a partition on the SSD for a new
instance of Windows, install a fresh copy of Windows in that new
partition, install the game in that new Windows instance, and test the
game's performance.

Note that the latest video driver may not be the best for old video
games. When I updated to later released of Catalyst, my old Thief and
other old games had problems which went away when I reverted back to an
old version of Catalyst. As I recall, I walked forward through about 17
newer versions of the video driver and then had to back off a few
versions to find a driver that gave me the best old game behavior and
performance along with what fixes the old versions (still newer than my
original old version) gave me. The newest driver isn't always the best
for your particular setup. Newer versions of drivers drop support for
older hardware and older games while adding new code for new hardware
and hew games. Right now I cannot move off of Catalyst v15 because
going forward means I loss all control of resetting the color and gamma
with an easy menu entry and would have to resort to manually making all
the adjustments. After The Dark Mod crashes, it leaves the colors and
gamma as they were in the game. With Catalyst v15, I just go into that
tool and reset color calibration back to Catalyst's defaults. Users
have complained that later versions dropped hardware and software
options that were convenient in the older versions.
  #12  
Old February 8th 18, 11:21 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware
~misfit~[_16_]
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Default nVidia GPU reccomendadtion please.

Once upon a time on usenet VanguardLH wrote:
What I've noticed about GPU model numbers is you want the high-end in
each range. The low-end is equivalent to mid-range in the lower
number series. Sorry, but that card makers are going to keep upping
their prices as new games come out that require the higher end cards.

The home PC that I've had since 2013 was a salvaged unit originally
dating back to 2009 (an Acer with an uberboob BIOS so no settings of
note there). I had to replace several components that got fried,
including the video card. Got an AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB for $145 on a
big discount sale. After 4 years, Newegg (where I bought the HD 7870)
is selling another for $380. Yikes.


I built this machine in 2007 / 2008 but started with a lesser CPU, 4GB of
RAM and a mechanical HDD until I could afford to upgrade. This is the third
GPU that's been in it.

I suspect you could toss $1000 USD at a new video card and you'd still
be disappointed with that game. Seems something is screwed up as your
hardware far exceeds their minimum requirements. Have you ran any
benchmarks on your setup to make sure the CPU is running at expected
clock, same for GPU, memory, SSD/HDD, etc? I've seen where a user
complained about a huge drop in performance which turned out to be the
multiplier in BIOS somehow got changed.


I have GPU-Z booting with Windows and run it with the sensors tab at the
front with "Continue refreshing while in background" ticked. It shows me the
GPU core clock, Memory clock, GPU temp, fan speed, GPU load. Memory usage
(dedicated), Memory usage (dynamic) and GPU vcore in real-time and
displaying the readings for the last three minhutes (one per second).

So yeah, the card's running as expected. When the game lags if I alt-tab to
GPU-Z the 'GPU Load' field is always pegged at 100%.

Before tossing gobs of money at a new video card, I'd go to
multibooting (but I wouldn't use Microsoft's dual-booting and instead
use a multi-boot manager, like GAG). Create a partition on the SSD
for a new instance of Windows, install a fresh copy of Windows in
that new partition, install the game in that new Windows instance,
and test the game's performance.


I'm fairly confident that the problem is the six year old mid-range card
(and the fact it's an AMD). Other people playing PoE wth the same card are
seeing the same issues since the last patch (which had quite a bit of
graphical updating as well as content).

My guest machine is a Q9550-equipped Dell Precision T3400 with an identical
SSD which also has an HD 7770 and it's performing about the same.

Note that the latest video driver may not be the best for old video
games. When I updated to later released of Catalyst, my old Thief and
other old games had problems which went away when I reverted back to
an old version of Catalyst. As I recall, I walked forward through
about 17 newer versions of the video driver and then had to back off
a few versions to find a driver that gave me the best old game
behavior and performance along with what fixes the old versions
(still newer than my original old version) gave me. The newest
driver isn't always the best for your particular setup. Newer
versions of drivers drop support for older hardware and older games
while adding new code for new hardware and hew games. Right now I
cannot move off of Catalyst v15 because going forward means I loss
all control of resetting the color and gamma with an easy menu entry
and would have to resort to manually making all the adjustments.
After The Dark Mod crashes, it leaves the colors and gamma as they
were in the game. With Catalyst v15, I just go into that tool and
reset color calibration back to Catalyst's defaults. Users have
complained that later versions dropped hardware and software options
that were convenient in the older versions.


I'm using 15.8 but don't like the 'features' one bit. I much preffered the
older interface. I've never noticed a performance drop when I've updated
drivers in the past (but decided after getting this version that I'm not
going to update again unless I absolutely have to). One thing I like about
playing PoE is that if I hit F1 I get a small overlay in the top right
showing frame time, latency and FPS so it's easy to see what's going on.

I wouldn't have come here asking advice on hardware if I wasn't sure that
was the only way to fix my issues. :-/ I'll eat dry bread and water for a
while until I can afford a GTX 1050 then see if I can hold out longer for a
1060... (I'm only half-joking, I'm disabled and have been 'living' cough
on welfare for almost a decade now.)

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)


  #13  
Old February 8th 18, 03:12 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default nVidia GPU reccomendadtion please.

It's been awhile but I recall long ago that video games were sometimes
skewed to a particular hardware and driver feature set. Back then,
video card had to come with games to lure buyers to the overpriced
hardware. Some games were meant to play on a particular brand: either
nVidia or ATI (which got acquired by AMD - probably when they thought
they were going to build the CPU into the GPU). The specs on Path To
Exile don't mention it is skewed toward one brand but they could be,
especially if all AMD users are complaining but no nVidia users are
complaining.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...70/3649vsm7710

That shows some benchmarks between the nVideo GTX 1050 (Ti model) and
the AMD HD 7770. The GTX 1080 is outside your price range.

http://www.hwcompare.com/33002/gefor...adeon-hd-7770/

That compares the non-Ti GTX 1050 model to the HD 7770.

http://www.hwcompare.com/33000/gefor...adeon-hd-7870/

That compares the GTX 1050 (non-Ti) against my AMD HD 7870. I didn't
bother searching for game benchmarks to see how the cards fared against
each other in actual use.

Seems a lot of money to throw at just one game, especially a 2D game.
  #14  
Old February 9th 18, 04:48 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware
~misfit~[_16_]
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Default nVidia GPU reccomendadtion please.

Once upon a time on usenet VanguardLH wrote:
It's been awhile but I recall long ago that video games were sometimes
skewed to a particular hardware and driver feature set. Back then,
video card had to come with games to lure buyers to the overpriced
hardware. Some games were meant to play on a particular brand: either
nVidia or ATI


Yes, the 'bad old days' when the two main GPU makers optimised for different
APIs, I remember them well. However since the early part of this century,
the rise of the Direct X API and the obsolescence (at least in the gaming
world) of APIs like OpenGL and Direct3D that's not the usual case.

(which got acquired by AMD - probably when they thought
they were going to build the CPU into the GPU). The specs on Path To
Exile don't mention it is skewed toward one brand but they could be,
especially if all AMD users are complaining but no nVidia users are
complaining.


They are. A quick Google on the subject will confirm it. All of the major
streamers are using NVidia too (I've asked a few f them).

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...70/3649vsm7710

That shows some benchmarks between the nVideo GTX 1050 (Ti model) and
the AMD HD 7770. The GTX 1080 is outside your price range.


It sure is!

http://www.hwcompare.com/33002/gefor...adeon-hd-7770/

That compares the non-Ti GTX 1050 model to the HD 7770.

http://www.hwcompare.com/33000/gefor...adeon-hd-7870/

That compares the GTX 1050 (non-Ti) against my AMD HD 7870.



That AMD 7870 was quite a medium/high-end card in it's day (as evidenced by
it's 256-bit bus and its power consumption).

I didn't
bother searching for game benchmarks to see how the cards fared
against each other in actual use.


Neither did I. I just used a few sites to compare things like Texel rate,
Pixel rate, Memory bandwidth and power consumption between the HD 7770 and
the GTX 1050 and 1060.

Seems a lot of money to throw at just one game, especially a 2D game.


Is that a bit of 3D snobbery? The developers are making the game prettier
and prettier (with water effects etc.) which isn't really a priority for me
and sucks the GPU cycles.

Remember when I mentioned that I'm an invalid? Well I need something to
occupy my mind (rather than passively consuming TV drek or shooting pixels).
Path of Exile is a very challenging game mentally. The way skills, passive
choices and gear interact require either a lot of thought, a lot of research
or both if you want to do well.

I''ve been playing PoE daily since it was in beta 7 years ago and in that
time I haven't found another game that challenges me so much (intellectually
rather than how quickly I can shoot somewhing - though you still need to be
well-co-ordinated and have good reflexes). I've tried a few other games in
that time and I played WoW and Diablo 3 for a while but the thought required
for PoE makes those look like a childrens games.

Also diring times when I'm drained mentally I can play my character in less
challenging areas and I still much prefer that to other less in-depth games.

I might hold off a while and see if I can swing a GTX 1060 - it all depends
on what rate the developers keep introducing more graphical load.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)


 




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