Correct angle for keyboard

John Doe wrote:
"Rod Speed" rod.speed.aaa gmail.com wrote:

Osiris wrote

ISO has standards,

Pity there isnt one for the keyboard angle.

ISO 9241-4

Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.

Yes it does, troll.

No it doesnt, ****wit.

plse READ before comment

Go and **** yourself. No please, that's an order.

Archie wrote:
Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope of a regular
keyboard? One web page says this:

The correct angle and height is the one the best suits you. Personally
I've never put too much stock into what those so called ergonomic
researchers say. I had a flat keyboard once but I just didn't like the
feel of it. I kept hitting the Windows key whenever I reached for the
left shift key. Besides finding the correct keyboard, finding the
correct mouse is also important. I prefer a relatively flat mouse.
Some mice are so rounded in the middle that they're just uncomfortable
for me to use. Others may prefer that type. The thing is there's no
such thing as one size fits all.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:06:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Bull****. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

They were designed to:

1) Allow more space for the mechanical portion of the
typewriter, before the digital age.

2) SLOW DOWN the typist.



2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

It all suddenly makes sense.

Rod is typing spasmodically.




So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair height.

I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.

Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you are,
the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
having problems, will need to find out what to do about
it...

kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote

1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
can't type and need to see the keys best.

Bull****. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

They were designed to:

1) Allow more space for the mechanical
portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.

Wrong with electric typewriters.

2) SLOW DOWN the typist.

Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.

2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

It all suddenly makes sense.

Rod is typing spasmodically.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair height.

I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.

Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.

On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
having problems, will need to find out what to do about it...

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

On 26 Jul 2006 19:14:38 -0700, wrote:


Archie wrote:
Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope of a regular
keyboard? One web page says this:

The correct angle and height is the one the best suits you. Personally

Generally true, and an ideal situation if/when reached, but one of the
problems is, that people cannot always choose their keyboard:
sometimes you have to use the one given (work-situation).
In a case like that, the boss might be helped with for instance an ISO
standard to buy the things.
Also many people are not conscious of what "feels" best. Many eyes get
misty, when you ask if the keyboard (or chair, or desk) is
comfortable..


I've never put too much stock into what those so called ergonomic
researchers say. I had a flat keyboard once but I just didn't like the
feel of it. I kept hitting the Windows key whenever I reached for the
left shift key. Besides finding the correct keyboard, finding the

Indeed, more than slope is important. The touch of the keys, size,
layout...
Your use of "feel" correctly indicates, that cognitivity is not the
whole story, not the end-of-it-all in decisions. Intuition (or feel)
is our other leg...

correct mouse is also important. I prefer a relatively flat mouse.
Some mice are so rounded in the middle that they're just uncomfortable
for me to use.

Maybe because your wrist is bent up too much ? there is a relation,
maybe, with the keyboard slope...

Others may prefer that type. The thing is there's no
such thing as one size fits all.

Nope: we are privileged to have some choice.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:16:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote

1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
can't type and need to see the keys best.

Bull****. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

They were designed to:

1) Allow more space for the mechanical
portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.

Wrong with electric typewriters.

Nope, they were made to coincide to the layout of the
mechanicals in more than just the letters on each key.




2) SLOW DOWN the typist.

Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.

I never said it wasn't.




2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

It all suddenly makes sense.

Rod is typing spasmodically.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste the same
thing for the 34,323 time in a row?

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste the same
thing for the 34,323 time in a row?

Could it be..... naaaaw....
ummm.... maybe... RD is a bot?

Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.


Hm...nothing much happened on your way to an (over-)ripe age...

kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote

1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
can't type and need to see the keys best.

Bull****. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

They were designed to:

1) Allow more space for the mechanical
portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.

Wrong with electric typewriters.

Nope, they were made to coincide to the layout of the
mechanicals in more than just the letters on each key.

Wrong with the angle of the keyboard being discussed and your stupid
claim about 'more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'

2) SLOW DOWN the typist.

Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.

I never said it wasn't.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

It all suddenly makes sense.

Rod is typing spasmodically.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste
the same thing for the 34,323 time in a row?

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Trev wrote:
How on earth did those typists manage with three hights of keys, no wrist
pads and having to put even force behind the key's.



In those days, people who wanted to become 'clerk typists' actually went
to school to learn the craft. As part of the required course material,
ergonomic work methods were taught. These people learned what furniture
(chairs and tables etc) was best suited to the job and as well, they
were taught basic things such as correct posture and how to always use
the center of the keyboard as the rest/start point. This prevented the
hands from having to travel all over the keyboard. On modern computer
keyboards these are the F and J keys. Untrained people suffered the
same so-called syndromes as most untrained computer keyboard users
suffer today.

The properly trained person could go to the office and work a full 8
hours with minimal discomfort, in general, while untrained persons would
be lucky if they could type continuously for 30 minutes without severe
pain especially around the neck and shoulders.

The same courses should be required today, for people who use keyboards
continuously all day long, minus the hard whacking of the keys. :-)