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Editorial comment: The constant griping between RTFM and Elector has just about killed this newsgroup
Folks, the subject says it all. I will continue to monitor postings to this
newsgroup in the unlikely event that someone will want and I can provide useful info about his/her system. But I will give up if I think I am wasting my time. alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell R.I.P. Neither RTFM and Elector are blameless. I don't care who started it. Neither has the maturity to back off. Pity. .... Ben Myers |
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"Ben Myers" wrote in message ... Folks, the subject says it all. I will continue to monitor postings to this newsgroup in the unlikely event that someone will want and I can provide useful info about his/her system. But I will give up if I think I am wasting my time. alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell R.I.P. Neither RTFM and Elector are blameless. I don't care who started it. Neither has the maturity to back off. Pity. ... Ben Myers Thank you Ben Myers. Gladly in America your opinion counts and I will not begrudge you yours. But let me point something out to you. Years before you even graced this newsgroup I was here posting useful and helpful information. It was I that kept the kooks out of this group over the years while you had the ability to post your much needed and wanted assistance. It was you that encouraged this troll [RTFM] or any other name it goes by via your taking the kindness to answer his off topic post(s) and it was your answers that this loser was always sucking up to. Then you realized that it was a kook and decided to back off his accolades. I wrote you and told you I would take every means to get rid of this troll poster. I have also answered many of the questions here over the last few months when you hit the high road, why because you find it hard to filter out troll boys posts, or that you have a problem with me. If its the latter please email and let me know exactly what the problem is. I don't hide from you and you know how to reach me. It is your crying that is now bringing more fuel into the fracas. Please note when you need a helping hand or any backup you always receive it from me and many others here that have come to like you over the years. Please don't group me into the same lot as that lying troll Arthur Grayson Walker, when troll boy is gone the group can go back to normal. You will notice when troll boy is not troll posting or giving wrong answers here there is no problems. Also note that it cannot stay away longer than a few days and then will either troll posts a dead thread or will even morph and start it all up again. I can prove my statements. Read the damn threads. So I don't deserve your pity, don't need it and sure as hell don't want it. Save it for yourself. I note your service on many newsgroups other than here. Let me guess if a troll poster in those groups upsets sic you, you'll run from there also? Come on give me a break. Stop straddling the fence and take a side. Quite a few folks here have complained to FDN and are getting a run around from Robb who now wants the official charter for this group, I doubt very much anything will sway these idiots other than a total call for an IDP on their service. They don't enforce their own TOS/AUP and like you use the mentality of "If elector did not respond to him, we could do something" well lets stop trying to blame me for standing up to the troll and others take a stand and get rid of the jerk. You know I have better things to do then go after Arthur Grayson Walker, or any other kook name it morphs into. Even if I did not answer his posts at all, the troll would still disrupt this group and what do you want to do then blame me still? Elector |
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Ben - it seems that no matter how much you write about the complaining, elector
complains more, and then tries to justify himself. It simply does not work. You are right. Alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell R.I.P. |
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"B090268" wrote in message ... Ben - it seems that no matter how much you write about the complaining, elector complains more, and then tries to justify himself. It simply does not work. You are right. Alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell R.I.P. Hey RTFM Kook as I said you had to morph and post. You are a useless troll. And as long as I draw breath I will never let this news group die due to your trolling. Elector |
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"Elector" wrote in message ...
"Ben Myers" wrote in message ... Folks, the subject says it all. I will continue to monitor postings to this newsgroup in the unlikely event that someone will want and I can provide useful info about his/her system. But I will give up if I think I am wasting my time. alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell R.I.P. Neither RTFM and Elector are blameless. I don't care who started it. Neither has the maturity to back off. Pity. ... Ben Myers Thank you Ben Myers. Gladly in America your opinion counts and I will not begrudge you yours. But let me point something out to you. Years before you even graced this newsgroup I was here posting useful and helpful information. It was I that kept the kooks out of this group over the years while you had the ability to post your much needed and wanted assistance. It was you that encouraged this troll [RTFM] or any other name it goes by via your taking the kindness to answer his off topic post(s) and it was your answers that this loser was always sucking up to. Then you realized that it was a kook and decided to back off his accolades. I wrote you and told you I would take every means to get rid of this troll poster. I have also answered many of the questions here over the last few months when you hit the high road, why because you find it hard to filter out troll boys posts, or that you have a problem with me. If its the latter please email and let me know exactly what the problem is. I don't hide from you and you know how to reach me. It is your crying that is now bringing more fuel into the fracas. Please note when you need a helping hand or any backup you always receive it from me and many others here that have come to like you over the years. Please don't group me into the same lot as that lying troll Arthur Grayson Walker, when troll boy is gone the group can go back to normal. You will notice when troll boy is not troll posting or giving wrong answers here there is no problems. Also note that it cannot stay away longer than a few days and then will either troll posts a dead thread or will even morph and start it all up again. I can prove my statements. Read the damn threads. So I don't deserve your pity, don't need it and sure as hell don't want it. Save it for yourself. I note your service on many newsgroups other than here. Let me guess if a troll poster in those groups upsets sic you, you'll run from there also? Come on give me a break. Stop straddling the fence and take a side. Quite a few folks here have complained to FDN and are getting a run around from Robb who now wants the official charter for this group, I doubt very much anything will sway these idiots other than a total call for an IDP on their service. They don't enforce their own TOS/AUP and like you use the mentality of "If elector did not respond to him, we could do something" well lets stop trying to blame me for standing up to the troll and others take a stand and get rid of the jerk. You know I have better things to do then go after Arthur Grayson Walker, or any other kook name it morphs into. Even if I did not answer his posts at all, the troll would still disrupt this group and what do you want to do then blame me still? Elector As a regular reader and owner of several stock and non-stock PB machines, I want to comment on this thread. Elector has a history of service to this newsgroup along with many others. This service comes at some sacrifice on his part and should be considered in any judgement, pro or con, on the merits of this group. Personally, I would hope that as grown men and women, that this situation could be dealt with in a more businesslike way. The above mentioned troll should just be ignored or otherwise he will continue to provoke any and all who cannot control their emotions. I, for one, would hate to see this or any individual cause the demise of an otherwise productive newgroup. Comments welcome! Heath Edwards. |
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"Ben Myers" wrote in message ... I agree 100% with your statement re. Elector's long time service to the PB newsgroup. His presence here pre-dates mine, and I've been monitoring the group for several years. But I also must add that there is no place in this or any other newsgroup for the extremely profane screeds that show up in this newsgroup. No matter what one or the other does or says! ... Ben Myers On 18 Aug 2003 17:21:42 -0700, (BR549) wrote: SNIP! As a regular reader and owner of several stock and non-stock PB machines, I want to comment on this thread. Elector has a history of service to this newsgroup along with many others. This service comes at some sacrifice on his part and should be considered in any judgement, pro or con, on the merits of this group. Personally, I would hope that as grown men and women, that this situation could be dealt with in a more businesslike way. The above mentioned troll should just be ignored or otherwise he will continue to provoke any and all who cannot control their emotions. I, for one, would hate to see this or any individual cause the demise of an otherwise productive newgroup. Comments welcome! Heath Edwards. BR549 & Ben: Again, I appreciate the kind thoughts. As stated earlier this situation is not as bad as it seems. The measures used although may not justify the means but are necessary none the less. Unfortunate as it may seem. In my quest to keep the unsavory element out of this group in the past it was not necessary to do a background search on the kook troll but a mere letter from me (personally under my real persona) to the isp yielded many great results. That is not or did not happen with FDN & EPIK communications. They outwardly protect this nut job [RTFM or any other morph name it uses] where any other ISP would have suspended the account and asked what is your purpose is trolling and flaming a news group, this ISP likes to lie and deceive the complainer or make that person jump through hoops. Explain to me why any reputable ISP would do so? Now touch on my ISP Road Runner, why is it they not only never contacted me but they see it is in self defense and towards a purpose and never spoken to my person? I know for a fact FDN spoke on more than three occasions to the complaints against their subscriber, yet the troll and flames from their so called subscriber persists. Did you actually know that in defense of their not enforcing their printed TOS/AUP they *blame* me for fighting with this kook RTFM? Great mentality on their part. Sort of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Then they tell another poster here to find the original charter and if it is found give them the link and they may be able to do something about their troll. Do you see any mentality in that statement from FDN? I sure don't. Now look at the facts of the matters, this nut job Arthur Grayson Walker comes in here to a peaceful group, posts an original on topic post and then proceeds to post off topic and in HTML (FTF) and when nicely told not to, decided he was going to do what he wanted and now its how many months later. Look at the regulars here that have either went into sleep mode (lurking) or have decided not to bother coming here at all, then look at the amount of questions that had been posted and the number has dwindled on some counts due to the threading even though the answer was in there who would want to wade through it? I understand the hurt that this has caused in losing some of the people in here that I considered friends. Ben Myers, TnT, MDG, Simon, Velix, Anthony, KC and Metronid. Sure I am not their conscience but I am the vanguard between them having a place to post in peace and friendship, some of them and possibly all of them are angry with me. Fine I can weather the storm, some of them I have conversed with privately and I think they understand. I would gladly go about the business we had before this disruptive troll came on the scene and all will be great, this is a troll folks and it is getting its jolly's with every read and yes I am feeding the idiot but look at the threads and see that its so called voice is no more since folks now know who they are dealing with. Other folks know me, can rely on me and can see I am trying to do the right thing. I can only ask for understanding and you will see with my attacks on this troll [RTFM] in real life will accomplish the task of ridding this group of a harmful element. I could stop counter posting this nut jobs posts and it will still continue to post untruths, bad advice or worse. Do you really want that to occur? If the regulars here wish for me to stop, I will. But I would hope someone else take up the baton and carry on since trolls like this are harmful even if left to their own devices. Just look at what the troll has done in respect to Simon and Anthony when they challenged it. Folks this troll [Arthur Grayson Walker] came in here for one purpose and it almost did what countless others have tried and that was to force a wedge in this news groups friendships, in its helpful assistance to those that need it, and in destroying this group. I have continued to answer questions the whole time this has gone on. And what had the troll done? Stole the answers of those posting before the troll and claiming them as its own, that is theft. Then when it could not get its way it tried to steal the thunder of the regulars here and made a sham news group on Yahoo Groups. It was done to harass and annoy and to hurt the needed folks from their rightful assistance. Look at the losers group. Flames and hatred posts about me, polls geared towards me, reposts from this news group and answers from this group as if the process was done at the kooks group. Look at the facts and see for yourself. Then look at what I had to do in relation to opening my own Yahoo group. it has files and links and no flames and no troll posts and no reprints from this group. Do I want the group? No. Is it necessary at present? Yes. Just look at the opening page at each group and you can see that one is helpful and the other vindictive and full of lies and flames. I am tired and I going to bed but I wanted you all to know my position. I thank the support many have shown. Ben again you have my email address and its unblocked to you. All the rest of my friends here I again apologize if I am hurting you. To the troll and its socks I am not letting any troll ruin this group and I will eventually get you out of here. Your time here and on other fronts are almost at an end. Sorry for the long response. Elector |
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"RTFM" wrote in message ... Nothing of value so it was all deleted Bottom line everyone here knows you as the PROVEN LIAR, KOOK & TROLL and it is still Arthur Walker, aka RTFM or any other pansy name you morph into is and has been the troll of this group. No amount of hiding is going to save you from me, I am getting rid of you and others here have told you the same. You are a PROVEN PHONY and LIAR and there is no running away from that, or the fact you have no knowledge in any aspects of computers. Elector |
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"B090268" wrote in message ... Ben - I have to go on record as completely disagreeing with you. elector's conduct and language has been unprofessional, coarse, crude, and profane. There is no contribution that is worth paying the price of having to put up with his coarse and profane language -- a point you conveniently overlook. Unfortunately, you could have done something to stop it by objecting to his obsession and his language. It is now too late because he is out of control. I view your condoning his behavior like that of the Vichy French supporting Hitler. I am very disappointed, but pleased that I have blocked anything from him. His conduct meets the original meaning of obscene -- "without any redeeming social value". If you've blocked him how can u see anything thats going on...duh? RTM aka B090268 your statement is flawed and obviously that from someone who likes hiding behind annonymous names. |
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"B090268" wrote in message ... Nothing of value by the kook, troll, liar, phony RTFM or who is actually Arthur Grayson Walker who is using his AOL account and of which I am taking steps to have eliminated. send all his posts to or and explain what this loser is doing. Elector |
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