Novell Desktop Linux 10: getting closer to a toss up between Linux & Windows?

George Macdonald wrote in part:
Well I'll err confess to getting caught a couple of times:
laziness/ignorance on virus defns update, trusting others too
much, ignorance of ports for blocking as well as zero-day.
I still remember my first virus umm, vividly - Indonesia
Emas and I was its first report to Symantec... got it off
a floppy which had just come off a client's laptop.:-(

I'm not entirely sure why, but safe computing comes naturally
to me. Like driving with seatbelts unfastened really bugs me.
I feel naked. Foreign apps are assumed hostile. Data might be,
so apps have to be armored. MS apps have to be reconfigured before
they could possibly be safe. Their defaults are in the realm of
criminal negligence. NIST has help.

Direct connect anything to the Internet (even a buttetproof OpenBSD
box) is risky. What is the reward? Better first go through a
hardware firewall. Keep the worms out. Good apps and privilege
isolation (even on MS-WinNT+) will keep the trojans out.

The MS-JPEG vulnerability was a new low: How could a viewer be
so buggy as to allow pure data to take over? Why the h3ll use
the stack for var.args that might overflow? Data is known to be
hostile, or at least often corrupt. Crashing is not acceptable.

-- Robert

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:24:08 GMT, Robert Redelmeier
wrote:

George Macdonald wrote in part:
Well I'll err confess to getting caught a couple of times:
laziness/ignorance on virus defns update, trusting others too
much, ignorance of ports for blocking as well as zero-day.
I still remember my first virus umm, vividly - Indonesia
Emas and I was its first report to Symantec... got it off
a floppy which had just come off a client's laptop.:-(

I'm not entirely sure why, but safe computing comes naturally
to me. Like driving with seatbelts unfastened really bugs me.
I feel naked. Foreign apps are assumed hostile. Data might be,
so apps have to be armored. MS apps have to be reconfigured before
they could possibly be safe. Their defaults are in the realm of
criminal negligence. NIST has help.

I agree completely *but* as I say, I've been "caught" and I'm pretty
careful. From what I've seen of other other peoples' systems, if it's
inconvenient -- e.g. having to logoff/logon/logoff/logon to install
software -- people will not follow the "rules". Things that are accepted
globally as part of everyday life, like .doc files, are absolutely nuts but
nobody's making an effort to fix "it".

Direct connect anything to the Internet (even a buttetproof OpenBSD
box) is risky. What is the reward? Better first go through a
hardware firewall. Keep the worms out. Good apps and privilege
isolation (even on MS-WinNT+) will keep the trojans out.

I haven't seen a recent firewall but the one on our Netopia router had only
two very rudimentary factory port blocking profiles. If you have to learn
the ports to block, it's usually after the fact. As for "good apps" and
privilege isolation on M$'s OSes, IME people are very selective about which
rules they'll follow - if they don't like the rules, they bend them (see
above); if they really like the app, e.g. Skype, they don't even want to
hear about "vulnerable"... yes I know Skype is not so bad now -- still some
discussion/controversy there all the same -- but there were lots of red
flags when it first came out.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

Go to www.securityfocus.com, check bugtraq IDs: 12881, 5059, 10244,
8061,12703,6439, 10857,11523,11556,11481,16202, etc. Nothing is perfect.

"Robert Redelmeier" wrote in message
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The MS-JPEG vulnerability was a new low: How could a viewer be
so buggy as to allow pure data to take over? Why the h3ll use
the stack for var.args that might overflow? Data is known to be
hostile, or at least often corrupt. Crashing is not acceptable.

-- Robert

On a sunny day (Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0500) it happened George Macdonald
wrote in
:

Save the political crap... oh and do tell why Dutch emigration applications
are skyrocketing?

Its full, overflowing, people keep reproducing.

US is empty space mostly, and STILL they build a fence between Mexico and US.

Ever tried to park you car in Amsyterdan center?
Its FULL.

hehe

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:20:11 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0500) it happened George Macdonald
wrote in
:

Save the political crap... oh and do tell why Dutch emigration applications
are skyrocketing?

Its full, overflowing, people keep reproducing.

With a fertility rate of 1.64, reproduction isn't why it's "full".

US is empty space mostly, and STILL they build a fence between Mexico and US.

Can you say "illegal"? I thought you could.

Ever tried to park you car in Amsyterdan center?

No, never tried.

Its FULL.

I can tell from here.

hehe

Indeed.

--
Keith

Jan Panteltje wrote in part:
wrote in
Save the political crap... oh and do tell why Dutch
emigration applications are skyrocketing?

Its full, overflowing, people keep reproducing.

Welnee! Flevoland.

US is empty space mostly, and STILL they build a fence
between Mexico and US.

I wasn't aware it had been approved. Do you have a better
solution to get people to obey the law?

Ever tried to park you car in Amsyterdan center?

Yes. About like New Amsterdam. Not really all that difficult,
unless you're unwilling to pay at peak times. Mostly difficult
because the Dutch Planning AUthorities (Bestemmingsraad)
are totally unwilling to allow large retail development.
And they limit automobile use by limiting parking.

-- Robert

"Keith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:20:11 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0500) it happened George
Macdonald
wrote in
:

Save the political crap... oh and do tell why Dutch emigration
applications
are skyrocketing?

Its full, overflowing, people keep reproducing.

With a fertility rate of 1.64, reproduction isn't why it's "full".

US is empty space mostly, and STILL they build a fence between Mexico
and US.

Can you say "illegal"? I thought you could.

Ever tried to park you car in Amsyterdan center?

No, never tried.

Its FULL.

I can tell from here.

hehe

Indeed.

--
Keith

Perhaps it has to do with the sort of folks that pin notes to your chest
with a knife because what you said offended them. Ya think?

del

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:40:11 -0500) it happened Keith
wrote in :

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:20:11 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0500) it happened George Macdonald
wrote in
:

Save the political crap... oh and do tell why Dutch emigration applications
are skyrocketing?

Its full, overflowing, people keep reproducing.

With a fertility rate of 1.64, reproduction isn't why it's "full".
You forget import from our oversees domains, plus immigration.

US is empty space mostly, and STILL they build a fence between Mexico and US.

Can you say "illegal"? I thought you could.
You mean illegal as to 'it was legal to commit genocide on the original
inhabitants 'injuns' steal their land, and then make your own book of
law and swear on it'? ;-)
As far as I am concerned ol' Sitting Bull is still president.
And he was a better shot too.
LOL


No, never tried.
First time for everything.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:10:59 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:40:11 -0500) it happened Keith
wrote in :

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:20:11 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0500) it happened George Macdonald
wrote in
:

Save the political crap... oh and do tell why Dutch emigration applications
are skyrocketing?

Its full, overflowing, people keep reproducing.

With a fertility rate of 1.64, reproduction isn't why it's "full".

whitespace is nice

You forget import from our oversees domains, plus immigration.

No, apparently you "forgot" this little fact (as GM pointed out). IOW,
you're a liar.

US is empty space mostly, and STILL they build a fence between Mexico and US.

Can you say "illegal"? I thought you could.

whitespace, ya know

You mean illegal as to 'it was legal to commit genocide on the original
inhabitants 'injuns' steal their land, and then make your own book of
law and swear on it'? ;-)

Ah, and the Dutch were just *so* "white". You're not only a liar, but
ignorant of history.

No, I don't much care what my great grandparents (they weren't here,
incidentally) did to anyone else's great grandparents. We're all here now.

As far as I am concerned ol' Sitting Bull is still president. And he
was a better shot too.

It figures that your hero would be sitting in bull.

LOL

You are an idiot.

No, never tried.

whitespace is good

First time for everything.

Not when its slithering in that mud-hole you call "Amsyterdan". Say hi to
the folks with the notes.

--
Keith

On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:57:21 -0500) it happened Keith
wrote in :

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:10:59 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:40:11 -0500) it happened Keith
wrote in :

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:20:11 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0500) it happened George Macdonald
wrote in
:

Save the political crap... oh and do tell why Dutch emigration applications
are skyrocketing?

Its full, overflowing, people keep reproducing.

With a fertility rate of 1.64, reproduction isn't why it's "full".

whitespace is nice

You forget import from our oversees domains, plus immigration.

No, apparently you "forgot" this little fact (as GM pointed out). IOW,
you're a liar.

US is empty space mostly, and STILL they build a fence between Mexico and US.

Can you say "illegal"? I thought you could.

whitespace, ya know

You mean illegal as to 'it was legal to commit genocide on the original
inhabitants 'injuns' steal their land, and then make your own book of
law and swear on it'? ;-)

Ah, and the Dutch were just *so* "white". You're not only a liar, but
ignorant of history.

No, I don't much care what my great grandparents (they weren't here,
incidentally) did to anyone else's great grandparents. We're all here now.

As far as I am concerned ol' Sitting Bull is still president. And he
was a better shot too.

It figures that your hero would be sitting in bull.

LOL

You are an idiot.

No, never tried.

whitespace is good

First time for everything.

Not when its slithering in that mud-hole you call "Amsyterdan". Say hi to
the folks with the notes.

Keep you stupid insults and stay in your US Saudi owned hell.