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Problem with Creative Graphics Card
I recently upgraded from an Asus GeForce2 GTS to a Creative FX 5 5600 Ultra
(128Mb) When I plugged it in, I started to get some interesting effects Every so often, the monitor would appear to go into power saving mode. There seemed to be no way out, other than the restart the system (even the old 3-finger salute didn;t seem to work) I ran DXDiag and ran the "Test Direct3D" and "Test DirectDraw". It was when these tests were run, the card sent the monitor into power saving mode Therefore, I suspect, the problem has something to do with whenever the 3D engine is kicked into life, Decided to run Final Reality, and came out with a score of around 5.6. This didn;t cause me too much concern until I compared that with a friend who is running an 3-4 year old ATI Rage 128 16Mb - he was scoring in the high 9's. At this point, I decided to contact Creative to see if they had any suggestions. They had several suggestions, but the only thing that seemed to make the system any more stable was to turn off AGP Fast Writes. Final Reality scores were still very low, so I plugged the card into my friends computer - and got simialr scores. 5.7 (ish, can't remember exctly now - certainly not good scores!) At this point, I RMA'd the card and got a new one back Plugged it in all expectedly, hoping to see a drastic improvement - but, alas, I did not. At this point, I started to conisder the fact that, perhaps the card wasn;t the problem. I did some digging around on some forums and started to find a fairly generic problem. It seems that a LOT of people running with VIA chipsets and trying to run at AGP 4x seemed to be having problems - but no one seems to have a definitive answer. I downloaded, as one of the postings suggested WCPUID and discovered that, when I had AGP Fast Writes disabled (for stability) I was only running at AGP 2x If I turn AGP Fast Writes back on, I can get AGP 4x, but the system has a tendancy to fall over (or, at least, go into this strange power saving mode). I did manage to keep the system up long enough in this mode to run FR again - but the scores still seemed to be around 5.7-5.8 Can anyone advise whether they think it is the card at fault (I find it difficult to believe I have been sent two cards with exactly the same problem), or whether FR is not reading properly. Has anyone got the VIA Apollo 133 Pro chipset and a Creative Card and having the same problems. Has anyone got that combination, but doesn;t have the problems - if so, what did you do?!?!? Anyone got an ABit m/board and having the same problem with a different card I have rung Creative again, and the only thing they have suggested is some configuration with my system (i.e. they don;t think it is the card) and have suggested upgrading the PSU. Mine is currently, only 300W - but to test this out, I unplugged everything I could (leaving only the two HDD and the card) and it didn;t seem to help, so not convinced by this Any help greatfully appreciated. Martin System Details: ABit VP6 motherboard 2 x PIII 1GHz CPUs 2 x WD1200JB 120Gb HDDs hanging off the onboard HPT 370 RAID controller (RAID 1) 1 x IBM 60Gb drive hanging off the other RAID channel 1Gb RAM Windows XP Pro SP1 Have installed all possible patchs from Via / Creative / Windows. |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC), "Martin Hathaway"
wrote: I recently upgraded from an Asus GeForce2 GTS to a Creative FX 5 5600 Ultra (128Mb) When I plugged it in, I started to get some interesting effects Every so often, the monitor would appear to go into power saving mode. There seemed to be no way out, other than the restart the system (even the old 3-finger salute didn;t seem to work) I ran DXDiag and ran the "Test Direct3D" and "Test DirectDraw". It was when these tests were run, the card sent the monitor into power saving mode Therefore, I suspect, the problem has something to do with whenever the 3D engine is kicked into life, Decided to run Final Reality, and came out with a score of around 5.6. This didn;t cause me too much concern until I compared that with a friend who is running an 3-4 year old ATI Rage 128 16Mb - he was scoring in the high 9's. At this point, I decided to contact Creative to see if they had any suggestions. They had several suggestions, but the only thing that seemed to make the system any more stable was to turn off AGP Fast Writes. Final Reality scores were still very low, so I plugged the card into my friends computer - and got simialr scores. 5.7 (ish, can't remember exctly now - certainly not good scores!) At this point, I RMA'd the card and got a new one back Plugged it in all expectedly, hoping to see a drastic improvement - but, alas, I did not. At this point, I started to conisder the fact that, perhaps the card wasn;t the problem. I did some digging around on some forums and started to find a fairly generic problem. It seems that a LOT of people running with VIA chipsets and trying to run at AGP 4x seemed to be having problems - but no one seems to have a definitive answer. I downloaded, as one of the postings suggested WCPUID and discovered that, when I had AGP Fast Writes disabled (for stability) I was only running at AGP 2x If I turn AGP Fast Writes back on, I can get AGP 4x, but the system has a tendancy to fall over (or, at least, go into this strange power saving mode). I did manage to keep the system up long enough in this mode to run FR again - but the scores still seemed to be around 5.7-5.8 Can anyone advise whether they think it is the card at fault (I find it difficult to believe I have been sent two cards with exactly the same problem), or whether FR is not reading properly. Has anyone got the VIA Apollo 133 Pro chipset and a Creative Card and having the same problems. Has anyone got that combination, but doesn;t have the problems - if so, what did you do?!?!? Anyone got an ABit m/board and having the same problem with a different card I have rung Creative again, and the only thing they have suggested is some configuration with my system (i.e. they don;t think it is the card) and have suggested upgrading the PSU. Mine is currently, only 300W - but to test this out, I unplugged everything I could (leaving only the two HDD and the card) and it didn;t seem to help, so not convinced by this Any help greatfully appreciated. Find a friend with a decent modern PC and already using a 5600 and test the card. 99% certain that the card is not at fault. Junk the system. If you really want dual core function while still getting all the benefits of a fast single processor at high speed too, get a P4 3.0 (or 3.2) GHz/800MHz/ I865-chip-set system. IDE-RAID and SATA-RAID versions are both available. Not expensive. BTW, with your ancient system, I doubt if RAID is doing you much good at all. Those WD1200JB/8Meg are extremely fast on their own. A case of putting new wine in an old bottle; the system does no practical justice to those disks. You may still benchmark disk-access faster, but for real work on real applications, your CPU(s) will be the perfect bottleneck. John Lewis Martin System Details: ABit VP6 motherboard 2 x PIII 1GHz CPUs 2 x WD1200JB 120Gb HDDs hanging off the onboard HPT 370 RAID controller (RAID 1) 1 x IBM 60Gb drive hanging off the other RAID channel 1Gb RAM Windows XP Pro SP1 Have installed all possible patchs from Via / Creative / Windows. |
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"Martin Hathaway" wrote in message
... I recently upgraded from an Asus GeForce2 GTS to a Creative FX 5 5600 Ultra (128Mb) When I plugged it in, I started to get some interesting effects Every so often, the monitor would appear to go into power saving mode. There seemed to be no way out, other than the restart the system (even the old 3-finger salute didn't;t seem to work) I ran DXDiag and ran the "Test Direct3D" and "Test DirectDraw". It was when these tests were run, the card sent the monitor into power saving mode Therefore, I suspect, the problem has something to do with whenever the 3D engine is kicked into life, Decided to run Final Reality, and came out with a score of around 5.6. This didn;t cause me too much concern until I compared that with a friend who is running an 3-4 year old ATI Rage 128 16Mb - he was scoring in the high 9's. At this point, I decided to contact Creative to see if they had any suggestions. They had several suggestions, but the only thing that seemed to make the system any more stable was to turn off AGP Fast Writes. Final Reality scores were still very low, so I plugged the card into my friends computer - and got simialr scores. 5.7 (ish, can't remember exctly now - certainly not good scores!) At this point, I RMA'd the card and got a new one back Plugged it in all expectedly, hoping to see a drastic improvement - but, alas, I did not. At this point, I started to conisder the fact that, perhaps the card wasn;t the problem. I did some digging around on some forums and started to find a fairly generic problem. It seems that a LOT of people running with VIA chipsets and trying to run at AGP 4x seemed to be having problems - but no one seems to have a definitive answer. I downloaded, as one of the postings suggested WCPUID and discovered that, when I had AGP Fast Writes disabled (for stability) I was only running at AGP 2x If I turn AGP Fast Writes back on, I can get AGP 4x, but the system has a tendancy to fall over (or, at least, go into this strange power saving mode). I did manage to keep the system up long enough in this mode to run FR again - but the scores still seemed to be around 5.7-5.8 Can anyone advise whether they think it is the card at fault (I find it difficult to believe I have been sent two cards with exactly the same problem), or whether FR is not reading properly. Has anyone got the VIA Apollo 133 Pro chipset and a Creative Card and having the same problems. Has anyone got that combination, but doesn;t have the problems - if so, what did you do?!?!? Anyone got an ABit m/board and having the same problem with a different card I have rung Creative again, and the only thing they have suggested is some configuration with my system (i.e. they don;t think it is the card) and have suggested upgrading the PSU. Mine is currently, only 300W - but to test this out, I unplugged everything I could (leaving only the two HDD and the card) and it didn;t seem to help, so not convinced by this Any help greatfully appreciated. Martin System Details: ABit VP6 motherboard 2 x PIII 1GHz CPUs 2 x WD1200JB 120Gb HDDs hanging off the onboard HPT 370 RAID controller (RAID 1) 1 x IBM 60Gb drive hanging off the other RAID channel 1Gb RAM Windows XP Pro SP1 Have installed all possible patchs from Via / Creative / Windows. The Apollo Pro 133 chipset is absolutely horrible. Nvidia purposely disabled AGP 4X support on this chipset as it did not meet AGP spec. Correct me if I'm wrong but you have a DX9 card and your testing it with Final Reality which was a DX5 benchmark? Try testing it with a current benchmark such as 3DMark2003 http://www.futuremark.com/download/?3dmark03.shtml or Aquamark at http://www.aquamark3.com/am3-mirrors.htm which are DX9 benchamrks. |
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