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Old July 23rd 04, 09:45 PM
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Mike P wrote:

uh, no, you have proff that you couldn't do it,

Mike


"Jeff, you're wrong because I say you are wrong, and for no other reason".

As long as you keep commenting from a position of
"I have no experience in this matter" and have absolutely
NO knowledge, and can only parrot what others have said,
I will continue to correct you.

So stop falsely accusing me of being a screwup, or don't and
this thread will last forever.

Jeff B

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Old July 23rd 04, 11:03 PM
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it already has. it's way past time both of you shut the hell up. i should
have known better to ask on usenet...

dookie


"JB" wrote in message
news:3OeMc.171134$XM6.76873@attbi_s53...

So stop falsely accusing me of being a screwup, or don't and
this thread will last forever.



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Old July 24th 04, 12:00 PM
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JB wrote:



Yes because it only works on, VIVO equiped cards.
I thought that was common knowledge by now?



What do you mean, VIVO equiped cards? All x800pros are the same,
right?

Jeff B


VIVO
Video In Video Out

The Pro's don't have the Video In
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Old July 24th 04, 03:01 PM
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VIVO
Video In Video Out

The Pro's don't have the Video In


So, since the pro's don't have the video in, and the mod works
only on cards with video in, the mod doesn't work on pro's which is
exactly what I proved with my experiment. Thanks for clearing that up.

Jeff B

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Old July 24th 04, 08:59 PM
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"JB" wrote in message
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VIVO
Video In Video Out

The Pro's don't have the Video In


So, since the pro's don't have the video in, and the mod works
only on cards with video in, the mod doesn't work on pro's which is
exactly what I proved with my experiment. Thanks for clearing that up.

Jeff B


There are pros with vivo


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Old August 26th 04, 05:35 PM
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:13:39 GMT, JB wrote:


Actually is is known that ATI is in the progress of redoing the Opengl
Dirvers. Betatesters have said this and also people on the Catalyst team.


So what are you saying, Doom3 etc. is about to suddenly run great on ATI
hardware? So the benchmarks run by ID software mean nothing??
LOL! If ATI knew how to fix the problem, they would have done so
long ago. To think otherwise is to set yourself up for a big
dissappointment.


I am a proud owner of the 9800Pro.... but OpenGL has always been the
weakness of the ATI line... which is not a problem when Quake3 is
running 200+ fps... They had access to Doom3 for months...

What I've seen sofar from BETA enhancements is about 5~8fps faster...
which is still NOTHING when the 6800GT is 65fps and the X800Pro is
40fps!! (Important note: unless your CPU is an AMD64 or P4-EE - none
of this MATTERS as your CPU is the bottleneck to the GPU)

Its a problem when the $300 6800 is up there with the $500 ATI XT
version!!

I hope ATI does better on the next round... more competition!



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Old August 26th 04, 05:46 PM
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:35:21 GMT, Darthy
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Its a problem when the $300 6800 is up there with the $500 ATI XT
version!!


In OpenGL, try taking a more overall view of the games market with the
vast bulk of games being D3D and things look a lot better for ATI
owners.
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Old August 26th 04, 07:33 PM
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"Darthy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:13:39 GMT, JB wrote:


I am a proud owner of the 9800Pro.... but OpenGL has always been the
weakness of the ATI line... which is not a problem when Quake3 is
running 200+ fps... They had access to Doom3 for months...

What I've seen sofar from BETA enhancements is about 5~8fps faster...
which is still NOTHING when the 6800GT is 65fps and the X800Pro is
40fps!! (Important note: unless your CPU is an AMD64 or P4-EE - none
of this MATTERS as your CPU is the bottleneck to the GPU)

Its a problem when the $300 6800 is up there with the $500 ATI XT
version!!

I hope ATI does better on the next round... more competition!



I guess it's a good thing for ATI that Doom 3 sucks!

That, and the fact that 98% of the PC games on the market use D3D instead of
OpenGL...


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Old August 26th 04, 10:34 PM
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:33:07 GMT "Enormous Genitals" meeped :

That, and the fact that 98% of the PC games on the market use D3D instead of
OpenGL...



I wonder what the ratio is when you look at online players.

With RTCW, Enemy Territory, Quake 3, Call of Duty and optional with Half Life
mods..OpenGL has a stronger online presence than it may appear at first glance.
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Old August 31st 04, 01:34 AM
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:33:07 GMT, "Enormous Genitals"
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"Darthy" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:13:39 GMT, JB wrote:


I hope ATI does better on the next round... more competition!



I guess it's a good thing for ATI that Doom 3 sucks!

That, and the fact that 98% of the PC games on the market use D3D instead of
OpenGL...



Theres a lot more OpenGL than you think...

Castle Wolfenstien
Battlefield 1942
Quake3
Doom3
Metal of Honor
Star Wars Jedi series...
and more...

With the new HalfLife2 engine, Nvidia & ATI are neck and neck...


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Remember: In the USA - it is dangeroud to draw or write about Heir Bush in a negative way. The police or SS are called, people threaten to kill you. (What country is this again?)

- Fahrenheit 9/11 - Unless you see it for yourself, don't call it "a bunch of lies"... that would be unAmerican.
- White House blows cover of an undercover agent because her husband said there were no WMD (before the USA started the war) - her job was finding terrorist.
God bless the land of the free. Where you can burn the Constitution... Ashcroft does it every day.
 




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