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Old September 23rd 03, 05:36 AM
mike
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Okay, my current setup:

Athlon XP 2400+ retail running at 2240 (reads as a 2600+)
Shuttle AN35N m/b
2x512Mb PC2100 sticks of ram (not matched) at 140Mhz on the bus
Connect3D 9600 Pro 128Mb (overclocked core - 490/memory - 702)
Samsung SP1203N 120Gb ATA133 HD
LG 52/24/52 CD-R
Windows XP Pro sp1

It all runs quite well. A friend of mine wanted my 2400+ so I bought a
2500+ Barton. I'm going to have to run it with a 140Mhz bus for a
month or two till I can pry loose enough money to get a matched pair
of PC2700 ram. Anyone running a Barton at 133Mhz and using the
multiplier to clock it up? Wondering how well this will work or will I
have to live with it at a lower clock speed until I get the proper
ram?
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Old September 23rd 03, 02:38 PM
O |V| 3 G A
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aint the bartons 200fsb (ddr400)? so why 2700 ram? and why matched pair? if
the barton was 166fsb (ddr333) then i`d still get the pc3200 and push upto
200fsb

2700 is only 'rated' for ddr333
matched pair is a con for the extra few quid - i didnt bother.

i`m running dual channel TwinMOS (with winbond CH-5 controller) PC3200 2x
512mb on nforce2 asus a7n8x deluxe - were bought at the same time, from the
same supplier, for £80 for both iirc. were from www.komplett.co.uk

tim


"mike" wrote in message
...
Okay, my current setup:

Athlon XP 2400+ retail running at 2240 (reads as a 2600+)
Shuttle AN35N m/b
2x512Mb PC2100 sticks of ram (not matched) at 140Mhz on the bus
Connect3D 9600 Pro 128Mb (overclocked core - 490/memory - 702)
Samsung SP1203N 120Gb ATA133 HD
LG 52/24/52 CD-R
Windows XP Pro sp1

It all runs quite well. A friend of mine wanted my 2400+ so I bought a
2500+ Barton. I'm going to have to run it with a 140Mhz bus for a
month or two till I can pry loose enough money to get a matched pair
of PC2700 ram. Anyone running a Barton at 133Mhz and using the
multiplier to clock it up? Wondering how well this will work or will I
have to live with it at a lower clock speed until I get the proper
ram?



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Old September 23rd 03, 02:55 PM
mike
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The 2500+ Barton is 166Mhz FSB so PC2700 is the proper match. I may bo
PC3200 if the price difference is minimal. As for matched pair, the
shuttle AN35N motherboard uses the Nvidia nforce2 chipset. Using 2
pieces of matched ram and the motherboard will treat the memory
subsystem as double width for a huge increase in memory performance.

By matched though, I don't mean anything other than 2 pieces of
identically speced ram preferably from the same batch.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:38:46 +0000 (UTC), "O |V| 3 G A"
wrote:

aint the bartons 200fsb (ddr400)? so why 2700 ram? and why matched pair? if
the barton was 166fsb (ddr333) then i`d still get the pc3200 and push upto
200fsb

2700 is only 'rated' for ddr333
matched pair is a con for the extra few quid - i didnt bother.

i`m running dual channel TwinMOS (with winbond CH-5 controller) PC3200 2x
512mb on nforce2 asus a7n8x deluxe - were bought at the same time, from the
same supplier, for £80 for both iirc. were from www.komplett.co.uk

tim


"mike" wrote in message
.. .
Okay, my current setup:

Athlon XP 2400+ retail running at 2240 (reads as a 2600+)
Shuttle AN35N m/b
2x512Mb PC2100 sticks of ram (not matched) at 140Mhz on the bus
Connect3D 9600 Pro 128Mb (overclocked core - 490/memory - 702)
Samsung SP1203N 120Gb ATA133 HD
LG 52/24/52 CD-R
Windows XP Pro sp1

It all runs quite well. A friend of mine wanted my 2400+ so I bought a
2500+ Barton. I'm going to have to run it with a 140Mhz bus for a
month or two till I can pry loose enough money to get a matched pair
of PC2700 ram. Anyone running a Barton at 133Mhz and using the
multiplier to clock it up? Wondering how well this will work or will I
have to live with it at a lower clock speed until I get the proper
ram?



  #4  
Old September 23rd 03, 03:14 PM
John
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Mike,

I don't know if my results are typical, and I'm not an expert, but I don't
even have the same brand.

Memory Module 1 : AMD 512MB 16x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up
to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)
Memory Module 2 : Kingston 1213EB05 512MB 16x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM
PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)

As soon as I put the Kingston RAM in, the bootup screen showed Dual DDR.
But, the performance increase is really small.
It seems a lot of companies are selling "matched sets" for twice the price,
alluding to twice the performance.
I understand the actual performance increase is more like 2%.

However; I'm certainly willing to hear from someone more knowledgeable.


John

"mike" wrote in message
...
The 2500+ Barton is 166Mhz FSB so PC2700 is the proper match. I may bo
PC3200 if the price difference is minimal. As for matched pair, the
shuttle AN35N motherboard uses the Nvidia nforce2 chipset. Using 2
pieces of matched ram and the motherboard will treat the memory
subsystem as double width for a huge increase in memory performance.

By matched though, I don't mean anything other than 2 pieces of
identically speced ram preferably from the same batch.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:38:46 +0000 (UTC), "O |V| 3 G A"
wrote:

aint the bartons 200fsb (ddr400)? so why 2700 ram? and why matched pair?

if
the barton was 166fsb (ddr333) then i`d still get the pc3200 and push

upto
200fsb

2700 is only 'rated' for ddr333
matched pair is a con for the extra few quid - i didnt bother.

i`m running dual channel TwinMOS (with winbond CH-5 controller) PC3200 2x
512mb on nforce2 asus a7n8x deluxe - were bought at the same time, from

the
same supplier, for £80 for both iirc. were from www.komplett.co.uk

tim


"mike" wrote in message
.. .
Okay, my current setup:

Athlon XP 2400+ retail running at 2240 (reads as a 2600+)
Shuttle AN35N m/b
2x512Mb PC2100 sticks of ram (not matched) at 140Mhz on the bus
Connect3D 9600 Pro 128Mb (overclocked core - 490/memory - 702)
Samsung SP1203N 120Gb ATA133 HD
LG 52/24/52 CD-R
Windows XP Pro sp1

It all runs quite well. A friend of mine wanted my 2400+ so I bought a
2500+ Barton. I'm going to have to run it with a 140Mhz bus for a
month or two till I can pry loose enough money to get a matched pair
of PC2700 ram. Anyone running a Barton at 133Mhz and using the
multiplier to clock it up? Wondering how well this will work or will I
have to live with it at a lower clock speed until I get the proper
ram?





  #5  
Old September 23rd 03, 06:43 PM
O |V| 3 G A
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well, since we`re giving figures, here`s mine

twinMOS (with winbond CH-5 controller) pc3200 (DDR400), 2x256mb, a7n8x dlx
rev2.0+ uber BIOS 1005+SATA - 205fsb (DDR410) with memory timings on
3-3-2-2. very tight timings and ultra stable.

as john said - he uses different branded ram, and i`ve heard of similar
occurances in here, but working perfectly fine in D-DDR mode. i`ve tried it
aswell - a giel 256mb and a seitek 512mb module (both pc2700) running in
D-DDR before my upgrade to this twinmos stuff. obviously not ideal setup,
but it does prove that matched pair's aint as crucial as the
sellers/manufactures claim. more money in their back pocket than yours.

tim
"John" Reply.Group.Only@nospam wrote in message
.. .
Mike,

I don't know if my results are typical, and I'm not an expert, but I don't
even have the same brand.

Memory Module 1 : AMD 512MB 16x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5

up
to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)
Memory Module 2 : Kingston 1213EB05 512MB 16x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM
PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)

As soon as I put the Kingston RAM in, the bootup screen showed Dual DDR.
But, the performance increase is really small.
It seems a lot of companies are selling "matched sets" for twice the

price,
alluding to twice the performance.
I understand the actual performance increase is more like 2%.

However; I'm certainly willing to hear from someone more knowledgeable.


John

"mike" wrote in message
...
The 2500+ Barton is 166Mhz FSB so PC2700 is the proper match. I may bo
PC3200 if the price difference is minimal. As for matched pair, the
shuttle AN35N motherboard uses the Nvidia nforce2 chipset. Using 2
pieces of matched ram and the motherboard will treat the memory
subsystem as double width for a huge increase in memory performance.

By matched though, I don't mean anything other than 2 pieces of
identically speced ram preferably from the same batch.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:38:46 +0000 (UTC), "O |V| 3 G A"
wrote:

aint the bartons 200fsb (ddr400)? so why 2700 ram? and why matched

pair?
if
the barton was 166fsb (ddr333) then i`d still get the pc3200 and push

upto
200fsb

2700 is only 'rated' for ddr333
matched pair is a con for the extra few quid - i didnt bother.

i`m running dual channel TwinMOS (with winbond CH-5 controller) PC3200

2x
512mb on nforce2 asus a7n8x deluxe - were bought at the same time, from

the
same supplier, for £80 for both iirc. were from www.komplett.co.uk

tim


"mike" wrote in message
.. .
Okay, my current setup:

Athlon XP 2400+ retail running at 2240 (reads as a 2600+)
Shuttle AN35N m/b
2x512Mb PC2100 sticks of ram (not matched) at 140Mhz on the bus
Connect3D 9600 Pro 128Mb (overclocked core - 490/memory - 702)
Samsung SP1203N 120Gb ATA133 HD
LG 52/24/52 CD-R
Windows XP Pro sp1

It all runs quite well. A friend of mine wanted my 2400+ so I bought

a
2500+ Barton. I'm going to have to run it with a 140Mhz bus for a
month or two till I can pry loose enough money to get a matched pair
of PC2700 ram. Anyone running a Barton at 133Mhz and using the
multiplier to clock it up? Wondering how well this will work or will

I
have to live with it at a lower clock speed until I get the proper
ram?






  #6  
Old September 25th 03, 07:10 AM
deasel
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My memory is not matched, but I also don't see any difference if I run it in
dual or normal operation.
"O |V| 3 G A" wrote in message
...
well, since we`re giving figures, here`s mine

twinMOS (with winbond CH-5 controller) pc3200 (DDR400), 2x256mb, a7n8x dlx
rev2.0+ uber BIOS 1005+SATA - 205fsb (DDR410) with memory timings on
3-3-2-2. very tight timings and ultra stable.

as john said - he uses different branded ram, and i`ve heard of similar
occurances in here, but working perfectly fine in D-DDR mode. i`ve tried

it
aswell - a giel 256mb and a seitek 512mb module (both pc2700) running in
D-DDR before my upgrade to this twinmos stuff. obviously not ideal setup,
but it does prove that matched pair's aint as crucial as the
sellers/manufactures claim. more money in their back pocket than yours.

tim
"John" Reply.Group.Only@nospam wrote in message
.. .
Mike,

I don't know if my results are typical, and I'm not an expert, but I

don't
even have the same brand.

Memory Module 1 : AMD 512MB 16x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5

up
to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)
Memory Module 2 : Kingston 1213EB05 512MB 16x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM
PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)

As soon as I put the Kingston RAM in, the bootup screen showed Dual DDR.
But, the performance increase is really small.
It seems a lot of companies are selling "matched sets" for twice the

price,
alluding to twice the performance.
I understand the actual performance increase is more like 2%.

However; I'm certainly willing to hear from someone more knowledgeable.


John

"mike" wrote in message
...
The 2500+ Barton is 166Mhz FSB so PC2700 is the proper match. I may bo
PC3200 if the price difference is minimal. As for matched pair, the
shuttle AN35N motherboard uses the Nvidia nforce2 chipset. Using 2
pieces of matched ram and the motherboard will treat the memory
subsystem as double width for a huge increase in memory performance.

By matched though, I don't mean anything other than 2 pieces of
identically speced ram preferably from the same batch.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:38:46 +0000 (UTC), "O |V| 3 G A"
wrote:

aint the bartons 200fsb (ddr400)? so why 2700 ram? and why matched

pair?
if
the barton was 166fsb (ddr333) then i`d still get the pc3200 and push

upto
200fsb

2700 is only 'rated' for ddr333
matched pair is a con for the extra few quid - i didnt bother.

i`m running dual channel TwinMOS (with winbond CH-5 controller)

PC3200
2x
512mb on nforce2 asus a7n8x deluxe - were bought at the same time,

from
the
same supplier, for £80 for both iirc. were from www.komplett.co.uk

tim


"mike" wrote in message
.. .
Okay, my current setup:

Athlon XP 2400+ retail running at 2240 (reads as a 2600+)
Shuttle AN35N m/b
2x512Mb PC2100 sticks of ram (not matched) at 140Mhz on the bus
Connect3D 9600 Pro 128Mb (overclocked core - 490/memory - 702)
Samsung SP1203N 120Gb ATA133 HD
LG 52/24/52 CD-R
Windows XP Pro sp1

It all runs quite well. A friend of mine wanted my 2400+ so I

bought
a
2500+ Barton. I'm going to have to run it with a 140Mhz bus for a
month or two till I can pry loose enough money to get a matched

pair
of PC2700 ram. Anyone running a Barton at 133Mhz and using the
multiplier to clock it up? Wondering how well this will work or

will
I
have to live with it at a lower clock speed until I get the proper
ram?








 




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