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"Derek Wildstar" wrote in message news "The Robot" wrote in message .. . http://www20.tomshardware.com/busine...911/index.html Notice both the Tom's Hardware and the ATI banners, prominently displayed in the the images accompanying the text. That's a clear indication of lack of objectivity right there, especially concerning the former... Therefore any anti-nvidia commentary is clearly marketing driven, factual or not. You can't have meaningful discussion from such a platform. Herr Doktor Pabster is such a shameless whore... If the technical issues are so compelling, why drape the flags of the 'founding funders' over the podium. Good point. |
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What? That Valve coded it to work ****ty with anything but ATI cards? That is potentially true. That is potentially as true as there are pink invisible unicorns living on Saturn. For one thing, Valve would have nothing to gain from something like that, it would just alienate potential customers. Second, Valve said they spent 5x more time optimizing for Nvidia specifically (which still didn't help 52/5600 very much) than they did optimizing the general path everybody else uses. You can choose to believe they're lying of course, but then you'd be heading off deep into the land of paranoia... Valve suggests anyone believing they didn't optimize fairly should go ask Microsoft, but hey, maybe Valve bought off M$ to lie for them? Who knows?!?!?!?!?!? We'll also know whether nVidia lied their asses off and misled everyone by optimising their drivers for 3DMark2003. Hm, I believe we already know that. |
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The thing is it's just about the performance of the games/benchmarks. They
have stretched the truth a bit when it comes to their architecture. When the FX's first came out, Nvidia used language that led everyone to believe the card was an 8 pipeline vid card with 1 texture unit per pipeline, similar to the ATi Radeon series of cards. Turns out that wasn't quite correct. It was actually a 4 pipeline card with 2 texture units per pipeline. Great people thought, 4*2 = 8 so the FX cards will act like an 8 pipeline card even though it's not. Turns out that wasn't quite true. In some, possibly most, situations the card acted as a 4 pipeline, 1 texture per pipe card while the second texture unit was used for lord only knows what which is a big reason why the card sucks in so many games/apps/benches. Sad how far Nvidia has fallen really. Chris Smith "The Robot" wrote in message .. . My personal opinion is that FX card owners need to file a class action lawsuit against Nvidia. I think you're right. Based on the pure performance of the 5900Ultra in 3dMark03, most people would choose the nVidia card given access to the funds. If gaming turns out to be a different story, then some people are going to be mightily ****ed. |
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You are forgetting something: The Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness game. It's
a DX9 game, considered the first one out actually. It's possible to run this game in some sort of a benchmark mode or something. The FX series of cards get their @sses handed to them in that as well. 3dmark2003, although it is a mixture of DirectX 7 & 8, doesn't run all that well on FX cards either. Their is ample evidence out the teh FX cards have problems and Nvidia is having to release game specific drivers to make up for the problems. Chris Smith "The Robot" wrote in message .. . What? That Valve coded it to work ****ty with anything but ATI cards? That is potentially true. However, when we get a few more DX9 games out there, we'll know the answer. We'll also know whether nVidia lied their asses off and misled everyone by optimising their drivers for 3DMark2003. |
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Don't forget about ATi's tradeup program:
"The Robot" wrote in message .. . I have: ASUS A7N2X Deluxe v2.0 nForce2 Mobo 512MB 333MHz Crucial DDR (should have spent the extra and got 400MHz - f*ck!) Athlon XP 1800 (Plan to replace with Barton 2500, and overclock to XP3200) Crappy 17GB + 10GB drives (Plan to replace with SATA as soon as I need the space) MSI 128MB Ti4800SE (replaced by MSI when Ti4400 went poof) When I get the Barton, it looks like I'l get the HL2 DX8 framerates in the THW acticle. At that point I'll consider the 9600Pro or above. It's quite early to say whether you should sell the 5900 Ultra, but now is the best time, before eBay potentially fills up with them. The Crucial 9800Pro is almost a giveaway, but I'm sure that the proceeds of your sale would easily give you access to the best 9800Pro cards on the market. In short, sell the *******. "Lee Marsh" wrote in message ... The Robot wrote: | When HL2 is out, and 9600Pro owners report good things, and 5600Ultra | users report bad things, then we'll all know. Just out of curiosity "The Robot" what system do you have, and do you think I should sell my 5900 Ultra to get a 9800 Pro |
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Don't forget about ATi's trade up program, it's at:
http://www.ati.com/buy/traderebate/tradeup.html Looks like a pretty good deal. Wish I known about this when I ditched my Nvidia Ti4600 and got my 9800 Pro. No big deal though, it was money well spent. Chris Smith "The Robot" wrote in message .. . I have: ASUS A7N2X Deluxe v2.0 nForce2 Mobo 512MB 333MHz Crucial DDR (should have spent the extra and got 400MHz - f*ck!) Athlon XP 1800 (Plan to replace with Barton 2500, and overclock to XP3200) Crappy 17GB + 10GB drives (Plan to replace with SATA as soon as I need the space) MSI 128MB Ti4800SE (replaced by MSI when Ti4400 went poof) When I get the Barton, it looks like I'l get the HL2 DX8 framerates in the THW acticle. At that point I'll consider the 9600Pro or above. It's quite early to say whether you should sell the 5900 Ultra, but now is the best time, before eBay potentially fills up with them. The Crucial 9800Pro is almost a giveaway, but I'm sure that the proceeds of your sale would easily give you access to the best 9800Pro cards on the market. In short, sell the *******. "Lee Marsh" wrote in message ... The Robot wrote: | When HL2 is out, and 9600Pro owners report good things, and 5600Ultra | users report bad things, then we'll all know. Just out of curiosity "The Robot" what system do you have, and do you think I should sell my 5900 Ultra to get a 9800 Pro |
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It's beginning to sound just like the old Voodoo5 5500 days...
who be dat? wrote: | Don't forget about ATi's trade up program, it's at: | | http://www.ati.com/buy/traderebate/tradeup.html | | Looks like a pretty good deal. Wish I known about this when I | ditched my Nvidia Ti4600 and got my 9800 Pro. No big deal though, it | was money well spent. | | Chris Smith |
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The Robot wrote:
However, when we get a few more DX9 games out there, we'll know the answer. BTW, does anyone know what are the future DX9 games that'll be available in 2003/2004 ? -- XandreX /I'm that kind of people your parents warned you about/ |
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and what is that?
-- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 115,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "who be dat?" wrote in message ... Don't forget about ATi's tradeup program: "The Robot" wrote in message .. . I have: ASUS A7N2X Deluxe v2.0 nForce2 Mobo 512MB 333MHz Crucial DDR (should have spent the extra and got 400MHz - f*ck!) Athlon XP 1800 (Plan to replace with Barton 2500, and overclock to XP3200) Crappy 17GB + 10GB drives (Plan to replace with SATA as soon as I need the space) MSI 128MB Ti4800SE (replaced by MSI when Ti4400 went poof) When I get the Barton, it looks like I'l get the HL2 DX8 framerates in the THW acticle. At that point I'll consider the 9600Pro or above. It's quite early to say whether you should sell the 5900 Ultra, but now is the best time, before eBay potentially fills up with them. The Crucial 9800Pro is almost a giveaway, but I'm sure that the proceeds of your sale would easily give you access to the best 9800Pro cards on the market. In short, sell the *******. "Lee Marsh" wrote in message ... The Robot wrote: | When HL2 is out, and 9600Pro owners report good things, and 5600Ultra | users report bad things, then we'll all know. Just out of curiosity "The Robot" what system do you have, and do you think I should sell my 5900 Ultra to get a 9800 Pro |
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See my other message. I accidently hit the send button before I was done
with this one so I retyped it in. It has the link and all. Sorry about that. Chris Smith "TomG" wrote in message news:h9a8b.31684$j26.27596@lakeread02... and what is that? -- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 115,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "who be dat?" wrote in message ... Don't forget about ATi's tradeup program: "The Robot" wrote in message .. . I have: ASUS A7N2X Deluxe v2.0 nForce2 Mobo 512MB 333MHz Crucial DDR (should have spent the extra and got 400MHz - f*ck!) Athlon XP 1800 (Plan to replace with Barton 2500, and overclock to XP3200) Crappy 17GB + 10GB drives (Plan to replace with SATA as soon as I need the space) MSI 128MB Ti4800SE (replaced by MSI when Ti4400 went poof) When I get the Barton, it looks like I'l get the HL2 DX8 framerates in the THW acticle. At that point I'll consider the 9600Pro or above. It's quite early to say whether you should sell the 5900 Ultra, but now is the best time, before eBay potentially fills up with them. The Crucial 9800Pro is almost a giveaway, but I'm sure that the proceeds of your sale would easily give you access to the best 9800Pro cards on the market. In short, sell the *******. "Lee Marsh" wrote in message ... The Robot wrote: | When HL2 is out, and 9600Pro owners report good things, and 5600Ultra | users report bad things, then we'll all know. Just out of curiosity "The Robot" what system do you have, and do you think I should sell my 5900 Ultra to get a 9800 Pro |
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