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"Nitz Walsh" wrote in message . rogers.com...
Not a lot - Halo isn't a game with particularly impressive graphics to begin with, not least because it was designed to run on a GF4MX core machine (XBox). What? The Xbox's GPU is a mix between a Geforce3 and Geforce4 - some features not even in the Geforce4. It is certainly nowhere near a GF4MX. Does it have pixel shaders, though? All "true" geforce3 and 4's have pixel shaders, the only exception being the gf4mx (which is a mix of parts from Geforce2, 3, and 4, although the 3D core is from the geforce2). AFAIK the Xbox is based on a stripped Geforce4 MX440 core - which should mean that it has no quincunx FSAA, no true anisotropic filtering, no pixel shaders. So - does the water in Morrowind have realistic-looking reflections? |
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"Geronimo_work" wrote in message ...
Dark Avenger wrote: "Geronimo" wrote in message ... Dark Avenger wrote: "Geronimo_work" wrote in message ... Max Longman wrote: "John" wrote in message om... Anybody know when you'll absolutely need a Directx 9 card to have any fun with games? It seems that games like Halo and Max Payne 2 use Directx 9 features sparingly, and therefore, it's no big deal if I play them on my Directx 8.1 card (which is a GeForce 4 Ti 4200). Are we talking 3-4 months maybe? I'm just trying to get a handle on when to spend the bucks for an upgrade. That's easy, when your games are too slow to play. what about 9500 (saphire) moded to 9700. i'm planning to buy this card this week. is it going to be fast enough for some time, or HL2 and DoomIII will require a faster one. is it a good card for 165$. thanks. The 9500 is very fast... the non pro has only 4 pipelines ( what a shame ) but after a SUCCESFULL mod you should have 8 pipelines working, change of succesfull mod. 50% If you are smart, you buy directly an 9700 Pro, no problems..no pain! the card i'm planning to buy is 100% working as 9700 because the guy tryed and told me that it works. Well if the card is pre-modded and it works, it's definitly a nice thing! And the probability that he tries to sell you a card with "artifacts" is rather low nowadays as the 9700 Pro is still superfast yet... newer cards are out. Same way I got my 9500 Pro, from a gamer wich needed a new card ( he took the 9800 Pro ). Cheap, efficient and the card works perfect... ( and overclocks with ease to 9700 Pro speeds ) unfortenetly the guy probbably lied to me because i tryed omega drivers and some others and emedietly after i enter the windows i hawe a green chess board (on some parts of the desktop and fonts). i tryed calling him and he told me that he tryed omega drivers and they worked ok. eny thoughts. isn't there some tricks what to do because i heard that some people got rid of artifacts by disabling hyper z or something like that if i remember correctly. what exacly is hyper-z and is it important for performane or only image quality. thanks. artifacts and checkers come from overheated memory, install more cooling! Or from broken pipelines ( that is why 8 are on the card and only 4 active ), in case 9500 chips showed broken pipelines they just kept the 4 best ones and made the 9500 chip into a Non Pro. There is NO garantuee that a mod runs perfect..... nor is there a garantue that overclocking a 9500 Pro leads to a stable 9700 Pro. Overclocking and modding are both things that MIGHT work but doesn't has to work! HyperZ III is a technology that uses "smarter" ways of handling graphic memory operations to allow as much as possible data to flow between the graphic memory/gpu/agp connection. It's like winzipping things first before sending it away. It mainly compresses textures and since textures are a heavy part of the graphic workload thus allow the card to do just that bit more. |
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Dark Avenger wrote:
"Geronimo_work" wrote in message ... Dark Avenger wrote: "Geronimo" wrote in message ... Dark Avenger wrote: "Geronimo_work" wrote in message ... Max Longman wrote: "John" wrote in message om... Anybody know when you'll absolutely need a Directx 9 card to have any fun with games? It seems that games like Halo and Max Payne 2 use Directx 9 features sparingly, and therefore, it's no big deal if I play them on my Directx 8.1 card (which is a GeForce 4 Ti 4200). Are we talking 3-4 months maybe? I'm just trying to get a handle on when to spend the bucks for an upgrade. That's easy, when your games are too slow to play. what about 9500 (saphire) moded to 9700. i'm planning to buy this card this week. is it going to be fast enough for some time, or HL2 and DoomIII will require a faster one. is it a good card for 165$. thanks. The 9500 is very fast... the non pro has only 4 pipelines ( what a shame ) but after a SUCCESFULL mod you should have 8 pipelines working, change of succesfull mod. 50% If you are smart, you buy directly an 9700 Pro, no problems..no pain! the card i'm planning to buy is 100% working as 9700 because the guy tryed and told me that it works. Well if the card is pre-modded and it works, it's definitly a nice thing! And the probability that he tries to sell you a card with "artifacts" is rather low nowadays as the 9700 Pro is still superfast yet... newer cards are out. Same way I got my 9500 Pro, from a gamer wich needed a new card ( he took the 9800 Pro ). Cheap, efficient and the card works perfect... ( and overclocks with ease to 9700 Pro speeds ) unfortenetly the guy probbably lied to me because i tryed omega drivers and some others and emedietly after i enter the windows i hawe a green chess board (on some parts of the desktop and fonts). i tryed calling him and he told me that he tryed omega drivers and they worked ok. eny thoughts. isn't there some tricks what to do because i heard that some people got rid of artifacts by disabling hyper z or something like that if i remember correctly. what exacly is hyper-z and is it important for performane or only image quality. thanks. artifacts and checkers come from overheated memory, install more cooling! Or from broken pipelines ( that is why 8 are on the card and only 4 active ), in case 9500 chips showed broken pipelines they just kept the 4 best ones and made the 9500 chip into a Non Pro. i'll try to put some mem coolers but i disn't overlock only moded so i don't think it's that There is NO garantuee that a mod runs perfect..... nor is there a garantue that overclocking a 9500 Pro leads to a stable 9700 Pro. I agree. i'm just trying to find some way if possible to get rid of artifacts because i heard that some people did it Overclocking and modding are both things that MIGHT work but doesn't has to work! i agree again HyperZ III is a technology that uses "smarter" ways of handling graphic memory operations to allow as much as possible data to flow between the graphic memory/gpu/agp connection. It's like winzipping things first before sending it away. It mainly compresses textures and since textures are a heavy part of the graphic workload thus allow the card to do just that bit more. thanks for the info. |
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As I recall, the Xbox video system was based on a variant of the GF3 with
some optimizations, which later found their way into the GF4 line of cards, ti, not MX, which as you stated are just GF2 cards with enhanced memory handling. JK "Darthy" wrote in message ... On 27 Nov 2003 02:19:54 -0800, (Mean_Chlorine) wrote: "Nitz Walsh" wrote in message . rogers.com... Not a lot - Halo isn't a game with particularly impressive graphics to begin with, not least because it was designed to run on a GF4MX core machine (XBox). What? The Xbox's GPU is a mix between a Geforce3 and Geforce4 - some features not even in the Geforce4. It is certainly nowhere near a GF4MX. Does it have pixel shaders, though? All "true" geforce3 and 4's have pixel shaders, the only exception being the gf4mx (which is a mix of parts from Geforce2, 3, and 4, although the 3D core is from the geforce2). Where did you come up with this bad and severely incorrect information? The 4MX series are nothing more than re-named GF2 cards with optional dual output. Nothing more. They have no features of the GF3 or true GF4 cards. AFAIK the Xbox is based on a stripped Geforce4 MX440 core - which should mean that it has no quincunx FSAA, no true anisotropic filtering, no pixel shaders. If the XBOX was based on a MX440 core, it would be a total piece of **** video game system, It wouldn't even be half the system it is today. The MX440 is sub-standard in performance and ability to a GF3-Ti200 which sold for about the same price when the 440 was new (much like the 5200 is usually more expensive than the faster 4200) Even the stupid 460MX which was slightly faster in some games over the GF3-Ti200 with brute force of a high clock rate - it was still a DX7 card and cost almost as much as the Ti4200 - talk about SUCKERS! PS: A "Stripped" 440mx = 420mx which is on performance with the GF2-mx400 - but a hair faster. -- Remember when real men used Real computers!? When 512K of video RAM was a lot! Death to Palladium & WPA!! |
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"Darthy" wrote in message ... What? The Xbox's GPU is a mix between a Geforce3 and Geforce4 - some features not even in the Geforce4. It is certainly nowhere near a GF4MX. What are you talking about?! "Nowhere near" a GF4MX - meaning that it's _far superior_, you incorrectly inferred from my post that I meant it was inferior, which was the opposite. |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:02:01 +0000 (UTC)
Seahorse wrote: Following prompt first aid from the medic "J.Clarke" managed to scrawl the following bloodstained message On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:52:16 -0500: How did you get so old and learn so little? Like Oscar Wilde said " I am not young enough to know everything" Pity you didn't learn _anything_. Oh the wit. No doubt you are an expert on IQs too... Well, you obviously didn't learn anything about IQs either, since one's IQ has little relationship to what one has learned. --------- Rgds Mike Remove XXX to reply The wings of man's life are plumed with feathers of death. - Sir Francis Drake WWW.Dead-Fish.Com - Deep Sea Daddies... http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollect...s=the_Seahorse -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC)
Seahorse wrote: Following prompt first aid from the medic "J.Clarke" managed to scrawl the following bloodstained message On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:25:23 -0500: On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Seahorse wrote: Following prompt first aid from the medic "Nitz Walsh" managed to scrawl the following bloodstained message On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:15:06 GMT: "John Hall" wrote in message e.rogers.com... I know, cause I have an ATI 9800 pro and Call of Duty looks great and runs like butter. Gaming skills, well, that's another issue. Call of Duty does not utilize any DX9 shader effects. It runs like butter on a wide variety of setups, simply because the graphics engine is well-designed. 1. Don't cross post. Still trying to be a netcop? And you are not? Pot calling kettle... Please remind me when I told you what you what you should or should not post. --------- Rgds Mike Remove XXX to reply The wings of man's life are plumed with feathers of death. - Sir Francis Drake WWW.Dead-Fish.Com - Deep Sea Daddies... http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollect...s=the_Seahorse -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:06:04 +0000 (UTC)
Seahorse wrote: Following prompt first aid from the medic "J.Clarke" managed to scrawl the following bloodstained message On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:27:18 -0500: I and many other, How many others? Try reading the thread. What does "the thread" have to do with anything? It is hardly either a random or a representative sample of the participants in USENET. Presumably you are superior to the rest of us. I bow down to your infinitely accurate opinion. Can't be that old then if you can still bow. but not all users consider it bad practice as best and ignorant at worst. Ignorant users think that. If the cap fits boy... Who you callin' BOY, Honkey? Your juvenile attitude warrants it. As I said, if the cap fits... Your ignorance knows no bounds. You don't even know what I said, do you? --------- Rgds Mike Remove XXX to reply The wings of man's life are plumed with feathers of death. - Sir Francis Drake WWW.Dead-Fish.Com - Deep Sea Daddies... http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollect...s=the_Seahorse -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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