Migrating OS to Raid 0 SATA

I have an XP Pro install on a single SATA connected to ICH5R controller on
8knxp board. I'd like to add a pair of striped SATA drives & move the OS
onto those, preferably using the MaxBlast software to copy all of the files.
Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this? I've been reading posts about
problems with the Sil controller for boot drives.

My preferred strategy would be to first install & format the drives as Raid
0 on the Sil controller (in Windows, I hope), use MaxBlast to image the
current C drive to them, use Partition Magic to set the striped drives to
Active & reassign C: to them, & then reboot (maybe even disconnecting the
current boot drive so the 'puter doesn't get confused). Is this sound logic?
Or am I just asking for a weekend-long mess-o-pain? Thanks for input.

Peter

ps. I notice that spam/virus/porn posts are increasing to the point where
they are going to outnumber legit posts. Sad, really. It makes me not want
to come here. I've learned so much. Its an old cliche now, but mean people
suck.

on Fri December 12 2003 10:44 am, Peter Bungart decided to enlighten us
with:

I have an XP Pro install on a single SATA connected to ICH5R controller on
8knxp board. I'd like to add a pair of striped SATA drives & move the OS
onto those, preferably using the MaxBlast software to copy all of the
files. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this? I've been reading
posts about problems with the Sil controller for boot drives.

My preferred strategy would be to first install & format the drives as
Raid 0 on the Sil controller (in Windows, I hope), use MaxBlast to image
the current C drive to them, use Partition Magic to set the striped drives
to Active & reassign C: to them, & then reboot (maybe even disconnecting
the current boot drive so the 'puter doesn't get confused). Is this sound
logic? Or am I just asking for a weekend-long mess-o-pain? Thanks for
input.

I think that would be rather difficult, since XP requires you to install the
RAID driver before installing. If it can be done, I'd like to know how
because my brother wants to do the same thing. He'll build a computer next
week and he wants to transfer all of his stuff from his current computer,
OS and all, to the new one. At first, it seems possible, since the absence
of the old peripherals and such would cause XP plug and play to unload them
and it'll find all the new stuff. However, the RAID on the new system
throws a curve. After all, XP has to recognize the RAID before it can
install to it. His RAID is built into the ICH5R southbridge and those
drivers won't even be loaded until after XP would even be on the drive.
Hmmm... Anyone?

ps. I notice that spam/virus/porn posts are increasing to the point where
they are going to outnumber legit posts. Sad, really. It makes me not want
to come here. I've learned so much. Its an old cliche now, but mean people
suck.

They should use some sort of spam filter to get rid of all this, shouldn't
they?

I wonder if cloning (using sysprep for xp) with ghost (symantec) to an eide
drive then setting up the raid and cloning back would work???

"Big Daddy" wrote in message
...
on Fri December 12 2003 10:44 am, Peter Bungart decided to enlighten us
with:

I have an XP Pro install on a single SATA connected to ICH5R controller
on
8knxp board. I'd like to add a pair of striped SATA drives & move the OS
onto those, preferably using the MaxBlast software to copy all of the
files. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this? I've been reading
posts about problems with the Sil controller for boot drives.

My preferred strategy would be to first install & format the drives as
Raid 0 on the Sil controller (in Windows, I hope), use MaxBlast to image
the current C drive to them, use Partition Magic to set the striped
drives
to Active & reassign C: to them, & then reboot (maybe even disconnecting
the current boot drive so the 'puter doesn't get confused). Is this
sound
logic? Or am I just asking for a weekend-long mess-o-pain? Thanks for
input.

I think that would be rather difficult, since XP requires you to install
the
RAID driver before installing. If it can be done, I'd like to know how
because my brother wants to do the same thing. He'll build a computer next
week and he wants to transfer all of his stuff from his current computer,
OS and all, to the new one. At first, it seems possible, since the absence
of the old peripherals and such would cause XP plug and play to unload
them
and it'll find all the new stuff. However, the RAID on the new system
throws a curve. After all, XP has to recognize the RAID before it can
install to it. His RAID is built into the ICH5R southbridge and those
drivers won't even be loaded until after XP would even be on the drive.
Hmmm... Anyone?

ps. I notice that spam/virus/porn posts are increasing to the point
where
they are going to outnumber legit posts. Sad, really. It makes me not
want
to come here. I've learned so much. Its an old cliche now, but mean
people
suck.

They should use some sort of spam filter to get rid of all this, shouldn't
they?




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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:45:17 -0500, "dmac" wrote:

The way it was done for mine was to install the OS on a IDE drive and then
copied over to the RAID0 array. Not sure what it was copied with though but
would assume something like Partion Magic or the like. Then the IDE drive was
removed.


I wonder if cloning (using sysprep for xp) with ghost (symantec) to an eide
drive then setting up the raid and cloning back would work???

"Big Daddy" wrote in message
...
on Fri December 12 2003 10:44 am, Peter Bungart decided to enlighten us
with:

I have an XP Pro install on a single SATA connected to ICH5R controller
on
8knxp board. I'd like to add a pair of striped SATA drives & move the OS
onto those, preferably using the MaxBlast software to copy all of the
files. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this? I've been reading
posts about problems with the Sil controller for boot drives.

My preferred strategy would be to first install & format the drives as
Raid 0 on the Sil controller (in Windows, I hope), use MaxBlast to image
the current C drive to them, use Partition Magic to set the striped
drives
to Active & reassign C: to them, & then reboot (maybe even disconnecting
the current boot drive so the 'puter doesn't get confused). Is this
sound
logic? Or am I just asking for a weekend-long mess-o-pain? Thanks for
input.

I think that would be rather difficult, since XP requires you to install
the
RAID driver before installing. If it can be done, I'd like to know how
because my brother wants to do the same thing. He'll build a computer next
week and he wants to transfer all of his stuff from his current computer,
OS and all, to the new one. At first, it seems possible, since the absence
of the old peripherals and such would cause XP plug and play to unload
them
and it'll find all the new stuff. However, the RAID on the new system
throws a curve. After all, XP has to recognize the RAID before it can
install to it. His RAID is built into the ICH5R southbridge and those
drivers won't even be loaded until after XP would even be on the drive.
Hmmm... Anyone?

ps. I notice that spam/virus/porn posts are increasing to the point
where
they are going to outnumber legit posts. Sad, really. It makes me not
want
to come here. I've learned so much. Its an old cliche now, but mean
people
suck.

They should use some sort of spam filter to get rid of all this, shouldn't
they?




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ok, copying (or cloning) will work then. that is good news, I hope to have
the second drive shortly and will do raid.
do you have your OS on the raid setup?

--
Dave M
Radeon 9800Pro 256mb
P4 2.8 oc to 3.1
"John Veldthuis" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:45:17 -0500, "dmac" wrote:

The way it was done for mine was to install the OS on a IDE drive and then
copied over to the RAID0 array. Not sure what it was copied with though
but
would assume something like Partion Magic or the like. Then the IDE drive
was
removed.


I wonder if cloning (using sysprep for xp) with ghost (symantec) to an
eide
drive then setting up the raid and cloning back would work???

"Big Daddy" wrote in message
...
on Fri December 12 2003 10:44 am, Peter Bungart decided to enlighten us
with:

I have an XP Pro install on a single SATA connected to ICH5R
controller
on
8knxp board. I'd like to add a pair of striped SATA drives & move the
OS
onto those, preferably using the MaxBlast software to copy all of the
files. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this? I've been
reading
posts about problems with the Sil controller for boot drives.

My preferred strategy would be to first install & format the drives
as
Raid 0 on the Sil controller (in Windows, I hope), use MaxBlast to
image
the current C drive to them, use Partition Magic to set the striped
drives
to Active & reassign C: to them, & then reboot (maybe even
disconnecting
the current boot drive so the 'puter doesn't get confused). Is this
sound
logic? Or am I just asking for a weekend-long mess-o-pain? Thanks for
input.

I think that would be rather difficult, since XP requires you to
install
the
RAID driver before installing. If it can be done, I'd like to know how
because my brother wants to do the same thing. He'll build a computer
next
week and he wants to transfer all of his stuff from his current
computer,
OS and all, to the new one. At first, it seems possible, since the
absence
of the old peripherals and such would cause XP plug and play to unload
them
and it'll find all the new stuff. However, the RAID on the new system
throws a curve. After all, XP has to recognize the RAID before it can
install to it. His RAID is built into the ICH5R southbridge and those
drivers won't even be loaded until after XP would even be on the drive.
Hmmm... Anyone?

ps. I notice that spam/virus/porn posts are increasing to the point
where
they are going to outnumber legit posts. Sad, really. It makes me not
want
to come here. I've learned so much. Its an old cliche now, but mean
people
suck.

They should use some sort of spam filter to get rid of all this,
shouldn't
they?




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John Veldthuis wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:45:17 -0500, "dmac" wrote:

The way it was done for mine was to install the OS on a IDE drive and then
copied over to the RAID0 array. Not sure what it was copied with though but
would assume something like Partion Magic or the like. Then the IDE drive was
removed.

So, since you need the RAID driver installed in XP before you can
install the OS on a normal installation, did you install the RAID driver
on the single HDD before the copy?

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:19:31 -0500, "dmac" wrote:

ok, copying (or cloning) will work then. that is good news, I hope to have
the second drive shortly and will do raid.
do you have your OS on the raid setup?

Yes, All I have now is the RAID0 setup, Boots from it very well and very
quickly.

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:48:27 -0500, Big Daddy wrote:

John Veldthuis wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:45:17 -0500, "dmac" wrote:

The way it was done for mine was to install the OS on a IDE drive and then
copied over to the RAID0 array. Not sure what it was copied with though but
would assume something like Partion Magic or the like. Then the IDE drive was
removed.

So, since you need the RAID driver installed in XP before you can
install the OS on a normal installation, did you install the RAID driver
on the single HDD before the copy?

I did not do it. A person did it for me as I did not have a spare IDE drive ate
the time but yes you need the RAID driver installed on the HDD before you copy.
I have seen one reply here say that if you disable the IDE in BIOS then the
instal direct to the RAID will work.

For me when I did it, it got to the reboot after copying the files and from
there kept saying there was no drive. Maybe disabling the IDE gets around this.

Well, overall the experience wasn't too bad. Here's what I ended up doing.
Since I already had an XP installation, I had the SiI drivers already
installed when I first set up the motherboard. I hooked up the two new sata
drives on the SiI controllers. Set them up as a stripe array during at the
SiI boot screen. After Windows booted I created a partition using Partition
Magic onto the new striped array (set as primary & active in PM) & copied
the old OS partition to it. Reassigned drive letters in Partition Magic (the
new array given C. Shut down the computer, unhooked the old drive prior to
rebooting to make sure I had a clean break from the old boot drive, &
windows loaded from the new array ok. Rebooted several times, opened apps,
etc. making sure everything was solid.

Shut down again. Hooked the old drive back up to the ICH5R controller (where
it was previously), mapped that to SATA port 0. When Windows booted,
converted the old partition from primary to logical in Partition Magic (I
plan on keeping the old OS partition for a while for good luck, but will
eventually delete everything & use it for something else).

Here are my settings in the BIOS (which is F6, BTW).
Set the 1st boot order to the Silicon Image controller in Adv. BIOS Settings
(boot device order didn't seem to matter).
In Integrated Periphs, I set On Chip SATA to Manual, & SATA port 0 to SATA
port 0. The SiI controller is obviously enabled & set to RAID mode.

Hope this helps anyone else. A key component here was having Partition Magic
to copy the old partition & easily move around drive letters. Oddly,
BootMagic doesn't recognize the SiI Raid drive as a bootable device,
although PM sees it & allows normal configuration tasks. Whatever, it works
so far & seems stable, but time will tell about that.

Peter


"Big Daddy" wrote in message
...
on Fri December 12 2003 10:44 am, Peter Bungart decided to enlighten us
with:

I have an XP Pro install on a single SATA connected to ICH5R controller
on
8knxp board. I'd like to add a pair of striped SATA drives & move the OS
onto those, preferably using the MaxBlast software to copy all of the
files. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this? I've been reading
posts about problems with the Sil controller for boot drives.

My preferred strategy would be to first install & format the drives as
Raid 0 on the Sil controller (in Windows, I hope), use MaxBlast to image
the current C drive to them, use Partition Magic to set the striped
drives
to Active & reassign C: to them, & then reboot (maybe even disconnecting
the current boot drive so the 'puter doesn't get confused). Is this
sound
logic? Or am I just asking for a weekend-long mess-o-pain? Thanks for
input.

I think that would be rather difficult, since XP requires you to install
the
RAID driver before installing. If it can be done, I'd like to know how
because my brother wants to do the same thing. He'll build a computer next
week and he wants to transfer all of his stuff from his current computer,
OS and all, to the new one. At first, it seems possible, since the absence
of the old peripherals and such would cause XP plug and play to unload
them
and it'll find all the new stuff. However, the RAID on the new system
throws a curve. After all, XP has to recognize the RAID before it can
install to it. His RAID is built into the ICH5R southbridge and those
drivers won't even be loaded until after XP would even be on the drive.
Hmmm... Anyone?

Peter Bungart wrote:

Well, overall the experience wasn't too bad. Here's what I ended up doing.
Since I already had an XP installation, I had the SiI drivers already
installed when I first set up the motherboard. I hooked up the two new sata
drives on the SiI controllers. Set them up as a stripe array during at the
SiI boot screen. After Windows booted I created a partition using Partition
Magic onto the new striped array (set as primary & active in PM) & copied
the old OS partition to it. Reassigned drive letters in Partition Magic (the
new array given C. Shut down the computer, unhooked the old drive prior to
rebooting to make sure I had a clean break from the old boot drive, &
windows loaded from the new array ok. Rebooted several times, opened apps,
etc. making sure everything was solid.

What did you use to copy from one drive to another? Ghost? DriveImage?