Happy Birthday America

Whatever group your posting from: Arthur:

is not the forum yet you continue......Then your taking some 14year old
dropout's OPINION and Mumbling as the thoughts of an entire nation....WTF!!!
Should we assume YOU speak for your WHOLE country? As big as the audience is
on USENET it certainly doesn't make up the majority.

Life in ANY country can be difficult, its all relative. The US should
stay out of most of what it involves itself in. I hate the Bush oil
mongrels. They are the anti Christ. I would LOVE to close our borders at the
south,west, east and let the chips fall where they may. I think we should
join wholly and solely with Canada and adopt all the great things about both
and create the most influential country of 'North America' and take care of
ourselves. Ignore all pleas for help. Stop exporting/importing and do
without whatever it is we can't get outside of this country. Adopt all Earth
friendly technologies. Wouldn't it be great,...........Ideally and on paper.

Good thing SOME of us are well seated in reality,....get some gravity
boots....your floating

"Arthur Hagen" wrote in message
...

"Steve Trussing" wrote in message
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x-no-archive: yes

TheSingingCat wrote:


I'd have great
difficulty in believing that without US contributions to the
computing world we would not have computers.

Don't kid yourself:

** World's first operational, general-purpose, electronic computer:
ENIAC (Electrical Numerical Integrator And Calculator, U.S. Patent
#3,120,606), University of Pennsylvania, USA, 1946

Of course, there wouldn't have been an ENIAC without the COLOSSUS mark I
and
II, and Harvard Mark I that the British had built earlier. The ENIAC
wasn't
the first US computer either -- the Bells Labs Model IV preceded it.

The first computer, though, was the German Zuse from 1939 (using
mechanical
relays).

As usual, this is a case of the US taking credit for inventions where no
credit is due, just like the Automobile, airplane, electric lights, space
exploration and much else where they were good number 2's, but stole the
credits.

** First-ever high-level computer programming language: FORTRAN, USA,
1954 (released in 1957)

Of course, this is true if you conveniently forget about Plankalkul from
1945.

** First-ever computer game: Spacewar, MIT, USA, 1962

How horribly wrong. NIM was played on Univac in 1953.

I'm *SICK AND TIRED* about ****ing American chauvinism and nationalism.
The
US is NOT the best goddamn country in the world. It is *one* country in
the
world, for better and for worse. Sure, it's great. NO, it's NOT greater.
It's a country. It happens to be my country, but so frigging what? It's
just a country full of people -- some who's bright and shining, and some
who's pathetic morons.

Regards,
--
*Art

"Winston Churchill" wrote in message
...
Hear Bloody Hear----------I agree with you yugsdrawkcab...

That idiot can read your posts but does NOT understand ...

Perhaps he should be called yugsdrawkcabssa? That'd be understandable...

(snip)

Nice onomatopoeia!

"jhgd" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:34:03 -0700, "OldfartJC" wrote:

-I didn't realize you Canadians in Alberta hated us that much. My friends
in
-Edmonton always like to come to the U.S. to buy stuff at much cheaper
prices
-than they can in Canada.

Yep, even with the exchange rate still in favor of the American dollar,
stuff still costs more up there...

(barely comprehensible retort snipped)

If you're going to post an argument not in your native tongue, the least you
could do is learn it a bit better...

Must be all your liberal laws that causes (with all the injustice taht
fly-bly from the south, ( just like resolution from kyoto. To reduce the
pollution.)- where do you think thai **** goes to the north. You should
show some respet to others.

Europe had just as much to do with the lack of resolution of the Kyoto
Protocols as we did. Either side wanted to blame the other and assign
lopsided accountabilities. Nobody was getting anywhere, so we walked away
from the table. And European press pinned it all on America, naturally. And
look at all the people who bought it. I suspect you are underinformed about
this one. Of course, it may very well be that NEITHER SIDE REALLY WANTED TO
RESOLVE THINGS AND BIG INDUSTRY WANTED TO PRESERVE THE STATUS QUO, and that,
my friend, is why things are the way they are...


more incomprehensible rhetoric snipped...

in your country it must be. 50 box to pay a visite to the doctor or
higher.


And in our country, $50 is usually pocket change...your point was?

More like we have too many crybaby socialists here that's all. FOX is the
first network to tell it like it is. We will make this world a better place
or die trying. Any correlation to Hitler is retarded.

neopolaris
ex-grunt
E-3-1


"Winston Churchill" wrote in message
...
Looks like the americans are developing facist tendencies,quicker
than any of our previous facists.It took from 1918- 1936 before the
germans started to get REALLY hateful. Bush and the american media
like Fox, has helped this happen in america in two years. All these
"fear" speeches that he makes sound not unlike "Her Hitler" circa '38

The facists lost last time.
Winston


On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:53:51 -0700, "OldfartJC" wrote:

I think you are wrong about the asshole statement. If the world needed
an
enema I think it's placement would be somewhere in Europe.

"Allan Laws" wrote in message
.. .
Why would anyone celebrate the birth of the biggest pack of arseholes
on
the
planet.


SST wrote in message
t...
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one
people
to
dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and
to
assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to
which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent
respect
to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the
causes
which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights,
that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to
secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just
powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the
People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying
its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form,
as
to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence,
indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be
changed
for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath
shewn,
that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than
to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are
accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably
the
same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it
is
their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to
provide
new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient
sufferance
of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains
them
to
alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present
King
of
Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all
having
in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these
States.
To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary
for
the
public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent
should
be
obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend
to
them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts
of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation
in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to
tyrants
only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable,
and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole
purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with
manly
firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause
others
to
be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of
Annihilation,
have
returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State
remaining
in
the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without,
and
convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for
that
purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners;
refusing
to
pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the
conditions
of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his
Assent
to
Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of
their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the
Consent
of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to
the
Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign
to
our
constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to
their
Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders
which
they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring
Province,
establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its
Boundaries
so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for
introducing
the
same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and
altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves
invested
with
power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his
Protection
and
waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries
to
compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun
with
circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most
barbarous
ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas
to
bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends
and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured
to
bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian
Savages,
whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all
ages,
sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in
the
most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act
which
may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We
have
warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to
extend
an
unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed
to
their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by
the
ties
of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would
inevitably
interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf
to
the
voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce
in
the
necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold
the
rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America,
in
General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the
world
for
the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of
the
good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That
these
United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent
States;
that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and
that
all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain,
is
and
ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent
States,
they
have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances,
establish
Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent
States
may
of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm
reliance
on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each
other
our
Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.




-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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--
----

The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions
indicated:

Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton

Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton

Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delawa
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean

Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark

Column 6
New Hampshi
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshi
Matthew Thornton

Maybe is was well meaning. Probably not though. The poster should have
expected backlash. Start dogging MY country...well prepare for more
backlash twerp. I served my country. Can you say the same? hmmm? Speak
up!

neopolaris
ex-grunt
E-3-1


"Anybody®" wrote in message
news
Sure as hell doesn't take long for a well meaning post to get wrecked by
idiots like Daemon Rose & neopolaris, not to mention SST, the originator,
even if it is wayyyyy off-topic.........

yup
"neopolaris" . wrote in message ...
Maybe is was well meaning. Probably not though. The poster should have
expected backlash. Start dogging MY country...well prepare for more
backlash twerp. I served my country. Can you say the same? hmmm? Speak
up!

neopolaris
ex-grunt
E-3-1


"Anybody®" wrote in message
news
Sure as hell doesn't take long for a well meaning post to get wrecked
by
idiots like Daemon Rose & neopolaris, not to mention SST, the
originator,
even if it is wayyyyy off-topic.........

SST wrote:
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

Try raising your vcore a bit at a time to see if you can get your fsb
up. Relaxing the memory timings might help too.

I hope you had a great 4th July and I bear you no ill will, but you
shouldn't post such stuff in here.

Regards

Martin

America doesn't understand subtlety. They are also hypocritical. Star trek
is one of the most popular TV shows. Isn't the federation (earth
especially)
basically at worst communist and at best extremely liberal ?

Oboy, another sociology lesson to be gleaned from Star Trek!
FOMFC,ROTF,LMAO! Where DO these people com from?


Holy CRAp!! my sides hurt That was the funniest damn thing I have
read in a VERY long time, AFA rants go......OMG...gotta get the wife to read
that......if ignorance is bliss....... what sort of education has chris
advanced to...I'd find out what school, .........and sue the hell out of
them...


"Dave" wrote in message
et...

"chrismm" wrote in message
...
Japan is more advanced than the US both technologically and socially.

Nope. Actually, they mostly improve upon designs largely given to them by
American scientists and researchers. Innovation is not exactly one of
Japan's strong suits, neither is consumer protection...or fairness in
trade
practices. As for socially...what's this about the Aum Shinri Kyo cult,
and
the rise of imperialism? Any comments?

On the flip side,
1) their production lines are far more efficient and better structured and
managed
2) their coping with overcrowding is far in excess of what Americans could
tolerate (dunno if that's really a good thing...)
3) They listened to Ed Deming

There are more examples on either side of the coin. These are but a few
for
brevity's sake (not exactly what I'm known for, but hey, I'm trying...)

The
trouble with Americans is they cannot accept what they don't understand.

What a ridiculous bunch of unsupported generalizations. That much is
painfully apparent...Nobody can completely accept what they don't
understand, and if they do, they they've only themselves to blame for
their
own apathy. But this is hardly an exclusive to our culture, now is it?

They seem to think that bigger, faster, more powerful and noisier is
always
better. Its not. Just look at their cars, they are large, thirsty, and
noisy, but they are very badly made, very ugly and very bad handling.

Such as??? For every American car you list as example I will retort with
the
Renault Appliance. So there ;-) And I just simply flip over the Suzuki
Samurai...I'd just love for you to start on cars. I must warn you in
advance
(about 12° BTDC) that you're a little out of your depth. I was an ASE
certified master tech (my certs expired last year). As for noisy...hmm,
what's with all the riceboys and the megaphone tips on their Mitsubishis?
They sound like angry bumblebees. Care to touch this one?

Japanese cars are smaller, faster, smarter, higher quality and more
reliable.

Nope. Another series of unsubstantiated generalizations. Especially now
that
the Big Three are all in bed with Mitsubishi, Daewoo, Toyota, Isuzu, etc.
and they're being built right here in America. Hey, I usually drive a
beater
Honda. My next car may very well be a Subaru WRX. But I also own a
Silverado
and a Vette...as for reliability, that's only as good as the owner and the
mechanic, unless you own something...like the Renault Appliance for
example...And why for the life of me are Harleys so highly prized in the
Japanese collector market? Can you answer this one?

Japanese cars are SMARTER??? Ah, maybe the ol' faithful Accord will
someday
beat me at chess? I think you've just fallen victim to the "Stupid
Inanimate
Object" existential fallacy...tell me, do you kick things when they don't
work properly (Theory of Percussive Maintenance)? Tell the truth...

America doesn't understand subtlety. They are also hypocritical. Star
trek
is one of the most popular TV shows. Isn't the federation (earth
especially)
basically at worst communist and at best extremely liberal ?

Oboy, another sociology lesson to be gleaned from Star Trek!
FOMFC,ROTF,LMAO! Where DO these people com from?

America land of the free?? um no not really, the netherlands has more
claim
to that than the US ever will, why ? because they have liberal laws but
the
public know how to follow them without killing each other or themselves.

That why there's so much kiddie pr0n originating from there?

Debunking effectively over...

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Proconsul wrote:
The fact that Lexus enjoys a good reputation doesn't segue to
"technological superiority" for Japan....

The other poster made a specific point when it came to cars. So, yes, in
this case it does. It has nothing to do with reputation, it's a statistical
fact. They're more reliable.

The most ubiquitous Toyota is the Camry - all of which are manufactured
in Lordsburg, Ohio.....

That's not very relevant. There's Toyota factories all over the world. That
people of all nationalities can put together the car according to the
specifications and technology developed in Japan doesn't make it not be a
japanese car anymore. Nor does it make american cars more reliable than
japanese ones.

As I said, you cannot support one word of your novel thesis in re Japan's
"superiority"....!

I didn't say any such thing. Learn to separate posters and read quotes
properly. I'm only answering your bold statement that nothing the other
poster said could be confirmed. You're wrong, he made a point of cars,
which is verifyable.

Japan is certainly an advanced, industrialized country
BUT the inventions, technology base, etc., is mostly to be found in the
USA.....!

In your own words: "Total nonsense......you can't support one word of this
extraordinary thesis....."

Just because you believe americans invented everything that runs on power
doesn't make it so.


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Frode

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Dave wrote:
Japan is more advanced than the US both technologically and socially.
Nope. Actually, they mostly improve upon designs largely given to them by
American scientists and researchers.

Those wouldn't be the same ones that moved to america from all over the
world, would they?

If you have any empirical data to back that claim up links would be
appreciated btw.

Innovation is not exactly one of
Japan's strong suits, neither is consumer protection...

That seems a bit like throwing rocks in a glass house. I saw the other day
that people were talking about buying extended warranties to cover
malfunctions beyond 90 days. Is 90 days all american consumer protection
laws demand a product to last before flipping the consumer the proverbial
bird?

or fairness in trade practices.

Yes, I've heard they're horrible. They seem to treasure a promise while a
contract is a formality apparently. I heard an account of a western
businessman that went to Japan to do business, and after days doing all
sorts of things with the japanese companion he'd still not managed to get
more than a sentence about the contract squeezed into a conversation. The
jap was more interested in getting to know him and once he decided he was
trustworthy the deal was done before any contract had hit the table.

In the US business is so fair companies routinely insure their employees
against lawsuits.


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Frode

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