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Big Oops! Please help a newbie
Hi All!
Well, act in haste and repent at leisure goes the saying. I guess I proved it this month. Bit of a cautionary tale. For two years I had a Celeron 1.8 with 60 Gig hard drive and 256 RAM. I got a quality sound card and a network card. It wasn't brilliant but I was happy. Then we had a HUGE lighting storm over Cambridge and my computer went very funny. Music quit playing, my internet connection was up and down. Then the computer just quit starting up altogether. I needed a new computer or to repair the one I had. My family were about to go away and they were concerned that I would not be able to communicate with them or be able to get the computer fixed without their car. I guess none of us were thinknig too clearly before the holiday. In haste I went with a friend to the local car boot sale. Usually the guy has a good stock of old computers. This time the fastest he had was a Duron 1.2. I bought it. Since I bought my Duron I feel it is a little on the slow side and can't cope as well as the 1.8 Celeron. Music breaks up if another programme is activated. I don't recall that happening with the Celeron. I know little about the mechanics of computers or upgrading but I found out my computer is a socket A. So in a moment of madness I went on Ebay and found another, more powerful CPU which is socket A compatible - an Athlon 2600. Unfortunately, having bought it, I have also found out that it is apparently not compatible with my motherboard. Apparently you need different motherboards for diffeent CPUs. Also memory. I don't know what else. Right at the moment I don't know what to do. I could really use some constructive advice (ie. not just yeah you made a total prat of things). I'm wondering if I should attempt to repair my old Celeron (possible motherboard replacement, seing as we replaced the sound files, sound card and network card and it still collapsed again). Then flog my Duron computer. live with my slow Duron 1.2 and put the Athlon chip back on Ebay and hope to get my money back (I paid £35 for it). go on Ebay again and buy the extra bits I ned to get a more powerful computer (for under £75 cos I'm disabled - poor). Is upgrading a really huge deal? Mum's partner is good at putting sound cards in, etc for me. Is it much more complicated to put in a new motherboard, memory chips? Ebay is awash with chips and motherboards and whatever. Can someone offer any guidance as to what to get and how much I should expect to pay? Is there a good/reasonably priced make of motherboard? Are some memory chips better than others? I gather I would need a motherboard that does at least everything my Duron does:- video to moniter network card my sound card I can bring over 256Meg RAM 2 hard drives (I brought my old one over because the Duron's hard drive is titchy at 20 Gig) 2 CD drives (inc a burner) 4 USB slots If I get a motherboard with more bits do I need to get a diffeent back for my computer? A thousand apologies for my total ignorance. This is all new to me. I bought a box from a shop and if the damned NTL had shielded my network card from the lighting I would have been happy surfing still. Alas all is misery, confusion and expense! Any advice anyone can give would be very much appreciated. Cheers Dave |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:04:29 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:
Usually the guy has a good stock of old computers. This time the fastest he had was a Duron 1.2. I bought it. Since I bought my Duron I feel it is a little on the slow side and can't cope as well as the 1.8 Celeron. Music breaks up if another programme is activated. I don't recall that happening with the Celeron. Probably a config or driver problem. I know little about the mechanics of computers or upgrading but I found out my computer is a socket A. So in a moment of madness I went on Ebay and found another, more powerful CPU which is socket A compatible - an Athlon 2600. Unfortunately, having bought it, I have also found out that it is apparently not compatible with my motherboard. Apparently you need different motherboards for diffeent CPUs. Also memory. I don't know what else. Any socket A CPU should work in any Socket A MB. You just need to know what you are doing. If you want help, give me the the complete info on the cpu label and the make/model of your MB. Now go to the link below and do a little reading about MB's and CPU's. -- KT133 MB, CPU @2400MHz (24x100): SIS755 MB CPU @2330MHz (10x233) Need good help? Provide all system info with question. My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php Verizon server http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:07:04 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:04:29 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote: Usually the guy has a good stock of old computers. This time the fastest he had was a Duron 1.2. I bought it. Since I bought my Duron I feel it is a little on the slow side and can't cope as well as the 1.8 Celeron. Music breaks up if another programme is activated. I don't recall that happening with the Celeron. Probably a config or driver problem. I know little about the mechanics of computers or upgrading but I found out my computer is a socket A. So in a moment of madness I went on Ebay and found another, more powerful CPU which is socket A compatible - an Athlon 2600. Unfortunately, having bought it, I have also found out that it is apparently not compatible with my motherboard. Apparently you need different motherboards for diffeent CPUs. Also memory. I don't know what else. Any socket A CPU should work in any Socket A MB. That's what I read at first, which is why I bought the nw chip. Then I saw some sellers on Ebay were specifying things like the memory or the motherboard the chip needs to run on. That's when I thought things would start to rack up. You just need to know what you are doing. If you want help, Please. give me the the complete info on the cpu label When I thought that the motherboard made a difference I found a utility called CPU-Z which told me CPU AMD Duron Codename Morgan Socket A technology: 0.18 voltage 1.76 family 6 model 7 stepping 1 Ext. family 7 Ext. model 7 core speed 1194 (but this number changes) Multiplier x12 FSB 99.6 Bus speed 199.1 L1 data, L1 code and Level 2 all read 64KB "Mainboard" Matsonic MS8308E Chipset SiS 730 rev 02 Sensor IT 0 BIOS American Megatrends v. 062710 Label on the computer box says axon IT Solutions Looking on the Matsonic web site I got this information:- MS8308E Series Bios type: AMI TOP 030808.zip Date : 2003-08-08 instruction : MS8308EP(266) PCB Ver3.1 (FSB 266MHz), Support AMD XP 010912.exe Date : 2001-09-12 instruction : MS8308E PCB Ver 1.1 , 1.2 8308-d.zip Date : 2001-02-27 instruction : MS8308D PCB Ver 1.1 (W/O LAN) BIOS Flash Utility AMI Flash : aminf340.zip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- © 2004 Matsonic All rights reserved. Does this help at all? and the make/model of your MB. Now go to the link below and do a little reading about MB's and CPU's. |
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Any socket A CPU should work in any Socket A MB. You just need to know what you are doing. If you want help, give me the the complete info on the cpu label and the make/model of your MB. Now go to the link below and do a little reading about MB's and CPU's. Forgot to mention that the chip I bought off Ebay was an AXDA2600DKV3D AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 2.133GHz 333FSB Prcessor. Hope that helps. Cheers Dave |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:07:27 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:
snip Any socket A CPU should work in any Socket A MB. You just need to know what you are doing. If you want help, give me the the complete info on the cpu label and the make/model of your MB. Now go to the link below and do a little reading about MB's and CPU's. Forgot to mention that the chip I bought off Ebay was an AXDA2600DKV3D AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 2.133GHz 333FSB Prcessor. Hope that helps. Not much, that's why I asked for the "complete" info on the label. This does tell me that's it's a Tbred B core (256K L2 cache) and default FSB of 166MHz, but the last line will tell me the stepping and whether or not the cpu is multiplier locked or not. Your MB with the SIS730 chipset will be limited to a 133MHz FSB. If the cpu isn't locked, you can change the multiplier to reach the max speed of the CPU. If it's locked, then the max speed you will get from the cpu is 1666MHz unless you perform the mobil mod to turn it into an XP-M and then control it via software. -- KT133 MB, CPU @2400MHz (24x100): SIS755 MB CPU @2330MHz (10x233) Need good help? Provide all system info with question. My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php Verizon server http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:58:59 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:
"Mainboard" Matsonic MS8308E Chipset SiS 730 rev 02 Sensor IT 0 BIOS American Megatrends v. 062710 Label on the computer box says axon IT Solutions Looking on the Matsonic web site I got this information:- MS8308E Series Bios type: AMI TOP 030808.zip Date : 2003-08-08 instruction : MS8308EP(266) PCB Ver3.1 (FSB 266MHz), Support AMD XP 010912.exe Date : 2001-09-12 instruction : MS8308E PCB Ver 1.1 , 1.2 8308-d.zip Date : 2001-02-27 instruction : MS8308D PCB Ver 1.1 (W/O LAN) BIOS Flash Utility AMI Flash : aminf340.zip The first board (EP) would be the best. Do you know which one you have? Model number should be on the board and rev. should be on sticker on one of the ISA/PCI sockets. All use the same ram. PC133 would be best, but it shouldn't matter as long as the 2600+ cpu isn't locked. -- KT133 MB, CPU @2400MHz (24x100): SIS755 MB CPU @2330MHz (10x233) Need good help? Provide all system info with question. My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php Verizon server http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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"" wrote:
Hi All! Well, act in haste and repent at leisure goes the saying. I guess I proved it this month. Bit of a cautionary tale. For two years I had a Celeron 1.8 with 60 Gig hard drive and 256 RAM. I got a quality sound card and a network card. It wasn't brilliant but I was happy. Then we had a HUGE lighting storm over Cambridge and my computer went very funny. Music quit playing, my internet connection was up and down. Then the computer just quit starting up altogether. I needed a new computer or to repair the one I had. My family were about to go away and they were concerned that I would not be able to communicate with them or be able to get the computer fixed without their car. I guess none of us were thinknig too clearly before the holiday. In haste I went with a friend to the local car boot sale. Usually the guy has a good stock of old computers. This time the fastest he had was a Duron 1.2. I bought it. Since I bought my Duron I feel it is a little on the slow side and can't cope as well as the 1.8 Celeron. Music breaks up if another programme is activated. I don't recall that happening with the Celeron. I know little about the mechanics of computers or upgrading but I found out my computer is a socket A. So in a moment of madness I went on Ebay and found another, more powerful CPU which is socket A compatible - an Athlon 2600. Unfortunately, having bought it, I have also found out that it is apparently not compatible with my motherboard. Apparently you need different motherboards for diffeent CPUs. Also memory. I don't know what else. Right at the moment I don't know what to do. I could really use some constructive advice (ie. not just yeah you made a total prat of things). I'm wondering if I should attempt to repair my old Celeron (possible motherboard replacement, seing as we replaced the sound files, sound card and network card and it still collapsed again). Then flog my Duron computer. live with my slow Duron 1.2 and put the Athlon chip back on Ebay and hope to get my money back (I paid £35 for it). go on Ebay again and buy the extra bits I ned to get a more powerful computer (for under £75 cos I'm disabled - poor). Is upgrading a really huge deal? Mum's partner is good at putting sound cards in, etc for me. Is it much more complicated to put in a new motherboard, memory chips? Ebay is awash with chips and motherboards and whatever. Can someone offer any guidance as to what to get and how much I should expect to pay? Is there a good/reasonably priced make of motherboard? Are some memory chips better than others? I gather I would need a motherboard that does at least everything my Duron does:- video to moniter network card my sound card I can bring over 256Meg RAM 2 hard drives (I brought my old one over because the Duron's hard drive is titchy at 20 Gig) 2 CD drives (inc a burner) 4 USB slots If I get a motherboard with more bits do I need to get a diffeent back for my computer? A thousand apologies for my total ignorance. This is all new to me. I bought a box from a shop and if the damned NTL had shielded my network card from the lighting I would have been happy surfing still. Alas all is misery, confusion and expense! Any advice anyone can give would be very much appreciated. Cheers Dave here’s a program for you download and install. it should be able to give us the brand and model of your motherboard. that way we can figure if a new board will fit okay. http://www.lavalys.com/products/down...?pid=1&lang=en give us as much info on your present setup. power supply, type of ram, video card or onboard video, etc. what operating system are you using and do you have a disk to do a fresh install of windows. what 2600 did you get? AXDA2600DKV3C 2.13Ghz Multiplier=16x(tbred) AXDA2600DKV4D 333FSB 1.91Ghz Multiplier=11.5x(barton) AXMG2600FQQ4C(mobile) ud -- Posted using the http://www.hardwareforumz.com interface, at author's request Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards Topic URL: http://www.hardwareforumz.com/Big-Oo...pict63881.html Visit Topic URL to contact author (reg. req'd). Report abuse: http://www.hardwareforumz.com/eform.php?p=320685 |
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I suspect it is the first one. MS8308E. I am unfortunatley unable to
open the case until my friend opens it for me. A case of shaky hands I'm afraid., I have emailed the seller of the chip (which is yet to arrive) to ask about stepping and whther the chip is locked. I believe he did not have time to test it himself before selling it to me. Cheers David On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:52:10 GMT, Wes Newell wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:58:59 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote: "Mainboard" Matsonic MS8308E Chipset SiS 730 rev 02 Sensor IT 0 BIOS American Megatrends v. 062710 Label on the computer box says axon IT Solutions Looking on the Matsonic web site I got this information:- MS8308E Series Bios type: AMI TOP 030808.zip Date : 2003-08-08 instruction : MS8308EP(266) PCB Ver3.1 (FSB 266MHz), Support AMD XP 010912.exe Date : 2001-09-12 instruction : MS8308E PCB Ver 1.1 , 1.2 8308-d.zip Date : 2001-02-27 instruction : MS8308D PCB Ver 1.1 (W/O LAN) BIOS Flash Utility AMI Flash : aminf340.zip The first board (EP) would be the best. Do you know which one you have? Model number should be on the board and rev. should be on sticker on one of the ISA/PCI sockets. All use the same ram. PC133 would be best, but it shouldn't matter as long as the 2600+ cpu isn't locked. |
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"" wrote:
I suspect it is the first one. MS8308E. I am unfortunatley unable to open the case until my friend opens it for me. A case of shaky hands I'm afraid., I have emailed the seller of the chip (which is yet to arrive) to ask about stepping and whther the chip is locked. I believe he did not have time to test it himself before selling it to me. Cheers David On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:52:10 GMT, Wes Newell wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:58:59 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote: "Mainboard" Matsonic MS8308E Chipset SiS 730 rev 02 Sensor IT 0 BIOS American Megatrends v. 062710 Label on the computer box says axon IT Solutions Looking on the Matsonic web site I got this information:- MS8308E Series Bios type: AMI TOP 030808.zip Date : 2003-08-08 instruction : MS8308EP(266) PCB Ver3.1 (FSB 266MHz), Support AMD XP 010912.exe Date : 2001-09-12 instruction : MS8308E PCB Ver 1.1 , 1.2 8308-d.zip Date : 2001-02-27 instruction : MS8308D PCB Ver 1.1 (W/O LAN) BIOS Flash Utility AMI Flash : aminf340.zip The first board (EP) would be the best. Do you know which one you have? Model number should be on the board and rev. should be on sticker on one of the ISA/PCI sockets. All use the same ram. PC133 would be best, but it shouldn't matter as long as the 2600+ cpu isn't locked. well i guess we have a little time. when the new cpu xp2600 arrives check the numbers on it. you may need plenty of light and good glasses. there is a line of numbers on it that should look like: AQXDA 0314 mpmw -- the middle set of numbers is what we are interested in to determine whether it is unlocked. amd started locking the chips arounc 0340. i looked your board up and it is using the old sdram 168 pin. you will need to buy some ddr 2700 or ddr 3200 184 pin. the price should be about the same 3200 might be even cheaper. check around for any board with cpu fsb 333 or 400. when your friend opens the case have him look at the side of the psu, so we know if it has enough power. give us the brand, model number and what the amps are for the 3.3, 5 & 12volt lines. also have him look at how much extra room the case has. your board is a micro atx. the case may be big enough for a micro atx or full atx which would give you more options. do you have cd with windows? ud -- Posted using the http://www.hardwareforumz.com interface, at author's request Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards Topic URL: http://www.hardwareforumz.com/Big-Oo...pict63881.html Visit Topic URL to contact author (reg. req'd). Report abuse: http://www.hardwareforumz.com/eform.php?p=320824 |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:32:37 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:
Motherboard Properties: Manufacturer Matsonic Product MS8308E Serial Number 00000000 Does this help at all? This, if correct, does a little. This board officially only supports a 100MHz (200FSB) FSB. But it should do 133Mhz ok if the bios has that option. Go into bios and see what the max CPU Freq you can set is. From main bios, select CPU PnP Setup page. Set CPU speed to manual, user defined or whatever, and then try and set CPU Freq to 133 to check. Don't try booting with this with the Duron 1200, unless the Duron 1200 is a C model. If you can set the CPU freq to 133, then try it with the 2600+ you got/get. If the cpu isn't locked, you would be able to even use a 100MHz FSB with it and set the multiplier to a max of 24x after changing the default multiplier to 13 on it. -- KT133 MB, CPU @2400MHz (24x100): SIS755 MB CPU @2330MHz (10x233) Need good help? Provide all system info with question. My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php Verizon server http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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