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Mobile athlon onto normal board
Does a mobile athlon go into any Socket A motherboard, or do I need
something special?? I have a Soltek SL75-DRV5 which accepts a 133FSB (266) Athlon XP (can't handle 166FSB - 333). I currently have a 2400+ XP, which will overclock, but I like the peace and quiet of my zalman flower cooler and standard speeds don't want to have to turn the voltage and fans up. A mobile athlon would produce about half the heat, but would it fit and work in my board?? Also anyone know a good price (UK) for a mobile athlon with a 133 FSB. |
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If you want a mobile its for overclocking right ?, mine runs at a fsb of 400 , and 2.5ghz, on a Abit NF7-S 2.0. Would be a waste on your board even if you could run it, and you would need Pc3200 ram to make the best of it. Mines running 38c at this time, so yes they are ok with heat On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:01:23 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell" wrote: Does a mobile athlon go into any Socket A motherboard, or do I need something special?? I have a Soltek SL75-DRV5 which accepts a 133FSB (266) Athlon XP (can't handle 166FSB - 333). I currently have a 2400+ XP, which will overclock, but I like the peace and quiet of my zalman flower cooler and standard speeds don't want to have to turn the voltage and fans up. A mobile athlon would produce about half the heat, but would it fit and work in my board?? Also anyone know a good price (UK) for a mobile athlon with a 133 FSB. |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:01:23 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell"
wrote: Does a mobile athlon go into any Socket A motherboard, or do I need something special?? I have a Soltek SL75-DRV5 which accepts a 133FSB (266) Athlon XP (can't handle 166FSB - 333). I currently have a 2400+ XP, which will overclock, but I like the peace and quiet of my zalman flower cooler and standard speeds don't want to have to turn the voltage and fans up. A mobile athlon would produce about half the heat, but would it fit and work in my board?? Also anyone know a good price (UK) for a mobile athlon with a 133 FSB. Generally they work but there is potential for unforseen incompatibility regardless of whether it's officially "supported". It might help to find users with same board and revision to confirm it works ok, or at least that any Barton doesm, albeit at the lower FSB speed. Your board needs to support user-adjustable multiplier, it'll default to 6X. Your board may not support over 12.5X multiplier unless it has ability to set 5th bit on the multiplier... most board's can't. Assuming this is the case, you're limited to 12.5X 133 FSB, instead of the spec'd speed for the mobile chip. The chip may defaul to 1.575(?) voltage in your board, which is fine if you're going to be overclocking but otherwise you'd need manual voltage decrease to get that "half the heat". Don't necessarily expect half the heat either if overclocking, the voltage will need raised at least some for the o'c. Why isn't the zalman cooler sufficient with the XP2400? Does it become instable? It seems a poor upgrade from an XP2400 to a Mobile Barton, perhaps you'd get 15% performance boost if you get the multiplier high enough but that's not much benefit, and better multiplier high enough may require insulting a pin or burning a bridge on the chip. I wouldn't bother for a board of that age, frankly. |
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"kony" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:01:23 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell" wrote: Does a mobile athlon go into any Socket A motherboard, or do I need something special?? I have a Soltek SL75-DRV5 which accepts a 133FSB (266) Athlon XP (can't handle 166FSB - 333). I currently have a 2400+ XP, which will overclock, but I like the peace and quiet of my zalman flower cooler and standard speeds don't want to have to turn the voltage and fans up. A mobile athlon would produce about half the heat, but would it fit and work in my board?? Also anyone know a good price (UK) for a mobile athlon with a 133 FSB. Why isn't the zalman cooler sufficient with the XP2400? Does it become instable? It seems a poor upgrade from an XP2400 to a Mobile Barton, perhaps you'd get 15% performance boost if you get the multiplier high enough but that's not much benefit, and better multiplier high enough may require insulting a pin or burning a bridge on the chip. Fair advice - quick point - I didn't say there is anything wrong with the Zalman flower - its excellent, I like the PC to be as quiet as I can get it because I work with it all day long in an otherwise silent room and the constant humm has been driving me mad. I have changed for a quiet Nexus PSU, binned the graphics heatsink and fan for a zalman thing. I can run the Zalman CPU cooler with minimum fan speeds as I have undervolted my XP CPU to just over 1.5v and modified the case for easy air-flow, but I thought a mobile might allow me to overclock and still stay cool (and quiet) Basically, it doesn't sound like this board will handle a mobile. It can't take Bartons and it only has the first 4 bits of the multiplier adjustment. The FSB can be adjusted up to 250MHz, but the AGP and PCI cards can't be locked to 33, so the PC is not much good above about 150-160FSB! The chip I have now is unlocked, so I can pinmod it to get higher multipliers and clock speeds, but obviously it gets hotter and needs more fans = more noise = unhappy me!! I have 2GB of DDR333 RAM, so I don't want to change that = costly! I wouldn't bother for a board of that age, frankly. Is there a cheap newer board you would recommend? And where could I buy a mobile athlon? |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:52:48 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell"
wrote: Fair advice - quick point - I didn't say there is anything wrong with the Zalman flower - its excellent, I like the PC to be as quiet as I can get it because I work with it all day long in an otherwise silent room and the constant humm has been driving me mad. I have changed for a quiet Nexus PSU, binned the graphics heatsink and fan for a zalman thing. I can run the Zalman CPU cooler with minimum fan speeds as I have undervolted my XP CPU to just over 1.5v and modified the case for easy air-flow, but I thought a mobile might allow me to overclock and still stay cool (and quiet) Well my point about instability was that, given same heatsink fan, you still have same noise level. Try reducing the fan to the target noise level and see how high the current cpu can run and stay stable... then you have a better idea of what benefit there is to the Mobile chip... maybe you've done so already but we don't know this. Basically, it doesn't sound like this board will handle a mobile. It can't take Bartons and it only has the first 4 bits of the multiplier adjustment. There is a bridge you can burn on the mobile to add the "+8" multiplier, so it would start at 14X. IF you tried a barton that's what I'd suggest you do, since 14X @ max stable FSB the board can do, is still within the o'c margin for a mobile chip, plus being modded to be in the 12.5X multi range your board can set other 12.5X multi if it has multi adjustment at all, which I assume it does. The FSB can be adjusted up to 250MHz, but the AGP and PCI cards can't be locked to 33, so the PC is not much good above about 150-160FSB! The chip I have now is unlocked, so I can pinmod it to get higher multipliers and clock speeds, but obviously it gets hotter and needs more fans = more noise = unhappy me!! Yep, it probably should run much higher than 140-something, IIRC that's about where USB or NIC starts crapping out on many boards. I have 2GB of DDR333 RAM, so I don't want to change that = costly! Now I see the situation better, but do you have assurance that this 2GB of memory would be stable at DDR333 bus speed? I know it's spec'd for it but depending on the quality of the memory it might not be so stable... perhaps a try-it-and-see situation, at least better odds than PC2100 memory. I wouldn't bother for a board of that age, frankly. Is there a cheap newer board you would recommend? And where could I buy a mobile athlon? I always fine it hard to recommend cheap boards, they always seem to have little issues, which don't effect some users but for others are a major problem. Even so, nForce2 boards have dropped quite a bit in price over the past year, there should be several good candidates under $80, depending on the form-factor (ATX vs mATX) and features needed. Abit NF7 is a solid choice but lacks SATA, as go many lower-priced boards. Right now Newegg has a great 1-day deal on a Gigabyte board but it too has fewer features than many, http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...128-257&DEPA=0 and I have no experience with that particular board, am mentioning it primary due to price and timeliness of the sale. Also consider that your current board supports old 3.3V AGP cards, but (almost all) newer boards don't, only 1.5V cards. Maybe not an issue but worth mentioning. For cheapest board having integral SATA you'd probably want a Via KT600 based board, which would be a few percent, maybe 4%, slower than nForce2, and does not lock AGP/PCI busses either. If I were to buy a new socket A board today I'd probalby get something like an NF7-S2G (or the Gigabyte linked above but I don't know about it's overclocking features), since it has a solid foundation, good o'c support, SATA and GbE. Then again I've been quite happy with an Asus A7N8X-Dlx board with an o'c Barton in it, but today I'd choose a board with 12V-CPU-power (4 pin connector), SATA & Gigabit LAN. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...127-184&depa=0 |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:07:28 GMT, kony
wrote: Yep, it probably should run much higher than 140-something, Yep it probably should NOT run much ... |
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