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primary IDE burned out. How to install windows xp?
I have a slight challenge here. Long ago the primary IDE controller died
on one of my computers. Somehow I managed to get windows 2k running on it, I believe windows saw itself as being on multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1). Now I'm trying to install XP on it with a different drive and I keep getting some NTLDR errors like how the path isnt correct. So I goto the recovery console and do a "map arc" only to see scsi(1)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1). Huh? There aint no scsi drive or card anywhere near here. The current setup is the drive as master and the CD as slave on the 2nd IDE channel. I cant really replace the MB because its a wacky mini-ATX and finding one that works with my 200fsb duron will probably be expensive. I really want this to work as I could use a nice spare computer to beat around with. So I loaded Knoppix on there and changed boot.ini to multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1), which the old win2k installtion was using. No dice, then I get NTLDR is missing. This is an old compaq 5000us with a uwave motherboard. Any suggestions? -- Mike Block Banner Ads Now http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html |
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"Mike245"
wrote in newsjgSc.235131$a24.56138@attbi_s03: I have a slight challenge here. Long ago the primary IDE controller died on one of my computers. Somehow I managed to get windows 2k running on it, I believe windows saw itself as being on multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1). Now I'm trying to install XP on it with a different drive and I keep getting some NTLDR errors like how the path isnt correct. So I goto the recovery console and do a "map arc" only to see scsi(1)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1). Huh? There aint no scsi drive or card anywhere near here. The current setup is the drive as master and the CD as slave on the 2nd IDE channel. I cant really replace the MB because its a wacky mini-ATX and finding one that works with my 200fsb duron will probably be expensive. I really want this to work as I could use a nice spare computer to beat around with. So I loaded Knoppix on there and changed boot.ini to multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1), which the old win2k installtion was using. No dice, then I get NTLDR is missing. This is an old compaq 5000us with a uwave motherboard. Any suggestions? According to http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...c_str_masc.asp, multi() gets used when the NT loader uses BIOS to specify the boot partition and scsi() when it uses a device driver (NTBOOTDD.SYS) to load the boot partition (see http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314470 regarding Microsoft's definition of system and boot partitions). Did you disable the primary IDE channel in BIOS? I cannot find NTBOOTDD.SYS in the root folder of my system drive. Do you have it in yours? -- __________________________________________________ *** Post replies to newsgroup. Share with others. (E-mail: domain = ".com", add "=NEWS=" to Subject) __________________________________________________ |
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_Vanguard_ wrote:
Did you disable the primary IDE channel in BIOS? I cannot find NTBOOTDD.SYS in the root folder of my system drive. Do you have it in yours? I do, and according to the MS article its because I made a FAT partition larger than 7.8 gigs. I also have signature(some value) instead of either multi(0) or scsi(1) now in boot.ini. I did have the broken primary disabled in BIOS but I turned it back on. Was this a mistake? Okay, so if I make an NTFS partition I can't edit the boot.ini file as I dont know anything that can boot up and let me edit files on an NTFS. So I'm guessing I should make a FAT patition smaller that 7 gigs soley to be able to edit boot.ini so the correct disk() value is one. Am I missing the obvious? How can I edit a file on an NTFS file system without the OS running? The console doesnt have any editors and bootcfg, fixmbr, etc don't let me edit that single character which I think is holding this whole install back. My understanding is my broken MB claims there is a disk(0) thus my real disk should be written as disk(1) in boot.ini Now I'm going to make a FAT boot partition of 6 gigs or so, edit boot.ini to correct disk(0) with Knoppix, and reboot. Sound right? I feel like I'm missing a much simpler solution or something. -- Mike Block Banner Ads Now http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html |
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Okay, so if I make an NTFS partition I can't edit the boot.ini file as I
dont know anything that can boot up and let me edit files on an NTFS. NTFSDOS Pro if you can get hold of it.. (free version is read-only, so you need the pro version) That will allow you to use NTFS partitions from a DOS boot disk.. Regards, Chris |
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"Mike245"
wrote in news:dqiSc.284365$Oq2.231020@attbi_s52: _Vanguard_ wrote: Did you disable the primary IDE channel in BIOS? I cannot find NTBOOTDD.SYS in the root folder of my system drive. Do you have it in yours? I do, and according to the MS article its because I made a FAT partition larger than 7.8 gigs. I also have signature(some value) instead of either multi(0) or scsi(1) now in boot.ini. I did have the broken primary disabled in BIOS but I turned it back on. Was this a mistake? Okay, so if I make an NTFS partition I can't edit the boot.ini file as I dont know anything that can boot up and let me edit files on an NTFS. So I'm guessing I should make a FAT patition smaller that 7 gigs soley to be able to edit boot.ini so the correct disk() value is one. Am I missing the obvious? How can I edit a file on an NTFS file system without the OS running? The console doesnt have any editors and bootcfg, fixmbr, etc don't let me edit that single character which I think is holding this whole install back. My understanding is my broken MB claims there is a disk(0) thus my real disk should be written as disk(1) in boot.ini Now I'm going to make a FAT boot partition of 6 gigs or so, edit boot.ini to correct disk(0) with Knoppix, and reboot. Sound right? I feel like I'm missing a much simpler solution or something. Powerquest used to provide a utility called NTFSini. You ran it off a bootable floppy to let you yank any file of an NTFS partition, edit it under your floppy's OS (MS-DOS, Windows 9x), and then put the modified copy back on the NTFS partition. I don't think they provide it anymore but made a different tool to do the same job. My guess is it is the BTini.zip file under ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis.../pq/utilities/. BTini.exe is what now gets installed in the DOS subdirectory for PartitionMagic 8. I think NTFSini let you actually yank any file (i.e., you specified which one) without having to add a driver in config.sys that would let you access NTFS partitions. BTini only yanks the boot.ini file; just run "btini" and it will display its help output. It is available for free via the FTP download. However, are you unable to edit the boot.ini file (after removing and restoring the system, hidden, and read-only file attributes using the 'attrib' command) while booted into Recovery Console mode? You said you could boot into Recovery Console mode, so what would stop you from editing this file then? -- __________________________________________________ __________ *** Post replies to newsgroup. Share with others. *** For e-mail reply, "=NEWS=" must be appended to Subject. __________________________________________________ __________ |
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SCSI() is used to boot from an adapter whose BIOS is not loaded. NTBOOTDD.SYS is a copy of the driver for that adapter. This is obviously not needed for an on board IDE port. _Vanguard_ wrote: According to http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...c_str_masc.asp, multi() gets used when the NT loader uses BIOS to specify the boot partition and scsi() when it uses a device driver (NTBOOTDD.SYS) to load the boot partition (see http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314470 regarding Microsoft's definition of system and boot partitions). Did you disable the primary IDE channel in BIOS? I cannot find NTBOOTDD.SYS in the root folder of my system drive. Do you have it in yours? -- When replying by Email include NewSGrouP (case sensitive) in Subject Mike Walsh West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. |
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_Vanguard_ wrote:
However, are you unable to edit the boot.ini file (after removing and restoring the system, hidden, and read-only file attributes using the 'attrib' command) while booted into Recovery Console mode? You said you could boot into Recovery Console mode, so what would stop you from editing this file then? Is there a text editor in the RC? There are tools like bootcfg but they dont seem to let me say "okay, make drive(0) = drive(1)" -- Mike Block Banner Ads Now http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html |
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"Mike245"
wrote in news:KguSc.108442$8_6.45020@attbi_s04: _Vanguard_ wrote: However, are you unable to edit the boot.ini file (after removing and restoring the system, hidden, and read-only file attributes using the 'attrib' command) while booted into Recovery Console mode? You said you could boot into Recovery Console mode, so what would stop you from editing this file then? Is there a text editor in the RC? There are tools like bootcfg but they dont seem to let me say "okay, make drive(0) = drive(1)" You may be able to use edit.com. It's in c:\winodws\system32 and probably already in the PATH so you can run "edit boot.ini". Alternatively, you could simply use "echo {string} boot.ini" to append lines into a new file (after first renaming the current one to boot.old). "type boot.ini", record what was there, rename the file, and then use echo to build a new file. -- __________________________________________________ *** Post replies to newsgroup. Share with others. *** Email: lh_811newsATyahooDOTcom *** and "=NEWS=" must be appended to the Subject. __________________________________________________ |
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Go to eBay and find a motherboard with a DURON already on it for $20
"Mike245" wrote in message newsjgSc.235131$a24.56138@attbi_s03... I have a slight challenge here. Long ago the primary IDE controller died on one of my computers. Somehow I managed to get windows 2k running on it, I believe windows saw itself as being on multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1). Now I'm trying to install XP on it with a different drive and I keep getting some NTLDR errors like how the path isnt correct. So I goto the recovery console and do a "map arc" only to see scsi(1)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1). Huh? There aint no scsi drive or card anywhere near here. The current setup is the drive as master and the CD as slave on the 2nd IDE channel. I cant really replace the MB because its a wacky mini-ATX and finding one that works with my 200fsb duron will probably be expensive. I really want this to work as I could use a nice spare computer to beat around with. So I loaded Knoppix on there and changed boot.ini to multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1), which the old win2k installtion was using. No dice, then I get NTLDR is missing. This is an old compaq 5000us with a uwave motherboard. Any suggestions? -- Mike Block Banner Ads Now http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html |
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