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Swap file settings using Win-xp pro?
Is the need for a user managed swap file obsolete with WinXP-Pro?
I run games alot on my system: 1.4 athlon 512 ddr ram Geforce 3 64 m. What is the general consensus for setting a swap-file with the above? Danke. |
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"Paul" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Is the need for a user managed swap file obsolete with WinXP-Pro? I run games alot on my system: 1.4 athlon 512 ddr ram Geforce 3 64 m. What is the general consensus for setting a swap-file with the above? Danke. There is no 'best' answer since it depends on what you do with your system. With that amount of RAM you might want to set a static page file of 768MB and give it a go. This is a little higher then many would say but the last thing you want to do is run out of virtual memory. A few tips: Setting a static page file (same amount min and max) means that windows won't have to resize the page file before writing to it (might save a little time). It also helps keep your system defragmented. Make sure you don't set a page file size that comes close to filling up your HD. If you have 2 HD's on your system (both of comparable speed) move your page file to the 2nd HD. *Note - you will only benefit from this if the 2nd HD is on a separate IDE chain than the 1st (to all you nay-sayers please go to www.pcguide.com and read the section on HD's and IDE transfer before retorting). -- "I don't cheat to survive. I cheat to LIVE!!" - Alceryes (check out my modded/OC'd system at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/alceryes) |
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Hash: SHA1 Alceryes wrote: If you have 2 HD's on your system (both of comparable speed) move your page file to the 2nd HD. *Note - you will only benefit from this if the 2nd HD is on a separate IDE chain than the 1st (to all you nay-sayers please go to www.pcguide.com and read the section on HD's and IDE transfer before retorting). You trust a site tells you that a "fixed swap file size of about 50 MB is good for most uses"? Nor does it actually tell you to put it on a separate channel. I quote: "Use A Second Hard Disk: One common optimization trick is to put the swap file on a second hard disk, or a hard disk that is different from the one that you boot or that contains most of your programs and files. The idea here is that the slowest part of hard disk access is moving the heads (seek time). If you put the swap file on a separate disk, the heads don't have to move back and forth between where the data files are and where the swap file is on the same disk. " That's the entire paragraph. It doesn't even mention separate channels on the entire page. Either way your claim is logically flawed. If HD1 is busy seeking out heavily fragmented files at the same time Windows decides to access the swapfile, it'll still give a performance increase on the same IDE channel since the bottleneck would not be the IDE bandwidth but the seektime of HD1 and it having to contend with accessing multiple files in addition the the swapfile. Seeking around like crazy on HD1 while performing swapfile access on HD2 would help. Don't trust sites on the web blindly over your own judgement. - -- Frode -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvrrVuXlGBWTt1afEQJiqwCeOV+qzBlIC2GXa5S1SmnxYF FKI0UAoKMT VDRis2/Q1l+yh3W8S6SHPTiX =14ky -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Hash: SHA1 The Laughing Gnome wrote: I don't let it handle it for me. WinXP uses the stupid formula of 1.5x system ram. I have 1gb of ram so XP likes to set a 1.5gb pagefile. Uh, tell me why I would need a 1.5gb pagefile with 1gb of ram and only a 768mb pagefile with 512mb of ram. Let's use some common sense here. The more real ram I have the less virtual memory I need. With 1gb of ram I set my pagefile to 400mb min/max and I probably don't even need that. You've misunderstood how XP "thinks". It doesn't go "hmm, oops running low on RAM, better move some stuff that's been laying unused for a while into the swapfile to free up for that program I was just told to start". It goes "Ooo, some stuff that hasn't been used for a long time, who cares if I have 600MB free RAM I'll move this to swap anyways just in case". It's a stupid scheme, one MS has been using since day one, but there you have it. - -- Frode -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvs6GuXlGBWTt1afEQKoqQCg0fyyOfLmhOvcAstbsatKc+ l//XsAoMpt Da3JlnJi4js1FFYHvydfvVOB =BU/u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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I don't let it handle it for me. WinXP uses the stupid formula of 1.5x
system ram. I have 1gb of ram so XP likes to set a 1.5gb pagefile. Uh, tell me why I would need a 1.5gb pagefile with 1gb of ram and only a 768mb pagefile with 512mb of ram. Let's use some common sense here. Because the more RAM you have, the more you are likely to try and use. Someone with 512MB will see a severe slow down when using memory hungry program a lot sooner than someone with 1GB of RAM. |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:33:46 -0700, Whilst playing Smegball with the
scutters The Laughing Gnome wrote : On 26 Jun 2003 13:27:19 -0500, tq96 wrote: Because the more RAM you have, the more you are likely to try and use. Someone with 512MB will see a severe slow down when using memory hungry program a lot sooner than someone with 1GB of RAM. Maybe so, but I still don't need a 1.5gb pagefile. In Win98SE I use 200mb swap file and everything runs hunky dory. 400mb in XP hunky dory too. I don't let the OS handle it and I don't think that is the best option, as the other person said. Fixed is best so it isn't dynamically resizing all the time. I agree but this can be made by setting a correct minimum.No need for a maximum :O) -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html |
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Either way your claim is logically flawed. If HD1 is busy seeking out
heavily fragmented files at the same time Windows decides to access the swapfile, it'll still give a performance increase on the same IDE channel since the bottleneck would not be the IDE bandwidth but the seektime of HD1 and it having to contend with accessing multiple files in addition the the swapfile. Seeking around like crazy on HD1 while performing swapfile access on HD2 would help. Don't trust sites on the web blindly over your own judgement ;-p Again, please do some reading before posting... Please read 'Master/Slave Channel' sharing here http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/id...erformance.htm. Pasted from text at above link... "Master/Slave Channel Sharing: By its very nature, each IDE/ATA channel can only deal with one request, to one device, at a time. You cannot even begin a second request, even to a different drive, until the first request is completed. This means that if you put two devices on the same channel, they must share it. In practical terms, this means that any time one device is in use, the other must remain silent. In contrast, two disks on two different IDE/ATA channels can process requests simultaneously on most motherboards. The bottom line is that the best way to configure multiple devices is to make each of them a single drive on its own channel, if this is possible. " ....and yes, I do know that this site is outdated but it still contains a wealth of information for specifications that have not changed over the past 10 years (i.e. IDE/ATA specs). If you do not trust this site then look around I'm sure you can find the same info at numerous other sites. Remember the IDE/ATA specification is as old as dirt in computer terms!! -- "I don't cheat to survive. I cheat to LIVE!!" - Alceryes (check out my modded/OC'd system at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/alceryes) "Frode" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alceryes wrote: If you have 2 HD's on your system (both of comparable speed) move your page file to the 2nd HD. *Note - you will only benefit from this if the 2nd HD is on a separate IDE chain than the 1st (to all you nay-sayers please go to www.pcguide.com and read the section on HD's and IDE transfer before retorting). You trust a site tells you that a "fixed swap file size of about 50 MB is good for most uses"? Nor does it actually tell you to put it on a separate channel. I quote: "Use A Second Hard Disk: One common optimization trick is to put the swap file on a second hard disk, or a hard disk that is different from the one that you boot or that contains most of your programs and files. The idea here is that the slowest part of hard disk access is moving the heads (seek time). If you put the swap file on a separate disk, the heads don't have to move back and forth between where the data files are and where the swap file is on the same disk. " That's the entire paragraph. It doesn't even mention separate channels on the entire page. Either way your claim is logically flawed. If HD1 is busy seeking out heavily fragmented files at the same time Windows decides to access the swapfile, it'll still give a performance increase on the same IDE channel since the bottleneck would not be the IDE bandwidth but the seektime of HD1 and it having to contend with accessing multiple files in addition the the swapfile. Seeking around like crazy on HD1 while performing swapfile access on HD2 would help. Don't trust sites on the web blindly over your own judgement. - -- Frode -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvrrVuXlGBWTt1afEQJiqwCeOV+qzBlIC2GXa5S1SmnxYF FKI0UAoKMT VDRis2/Q1l+yh3W8S6SHPTiX =14ky -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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