Drifting video, does All-Wonder 9800 Pro fix that problem

I currently use the All in Wonder Rage128 GL (AGP) on my Pentium III system.
One thing that erks me is that when I output movie video to my TV monitor in
the required 800x600 mode, the picture on both PC montor and TV monitor
drifts sometimes to the left and sometimes down, cutting off part of the
movie. For awhile, I was chasing back to the computer to reposition and
center the video; but now I've decided its not worth the hassle and don't
want to do that anymore.

I will be upgrading to a Pentium 4 system fairly soon and still need to
decide on its video adaptor. My primary question is if I select the
ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO, will my video (mode) output to a TV monitor be
stable or will it also drift. Who has experience doing that and what are the
results. The other reason I may select the ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO is to
improve video data capture. The All in Wonder Rage128 GL (AGP) with Pentium
III drops too many frames providing jerky replay and I'd like improvement in
that area.

Another question is will a less expensive ATI card (such as ALL-IN-WONDER®
9600XT, ALL-IN-WONDER® 9600, or ALL-IN-WONDER® 9200) be suitable to correct
the problems I've had and the provide improvement I want? Any comments on
lesser products than the -IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO would be appreciated.

I am considering Averkey to stop the TV drifting problem, but realize that
won't help PC/hard drive video capture.


Thanks for any help



Roger

Scratch my comments about the ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO. After reading the
specs, that's not the card I'm wondering about. Looks like the
ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO or AIW 9700 is the card I'd be buying if the TV
output works better than my Rage.


"Roger Erickson" wrote in message
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I currently use the All in Wonder Rage128 GL (AGP) on my Pentium III
system.
One thing that erks me is that when I output movie video to my TV monitor
in
the required 800x600 mode, the picture on both PC montor and TV monitor
drifts sometimes to the left and sometimes down, cutting off part of the
movie. For awhile, I was chasing back to the computer to reposition and
center the video; but now I've decided its not worth the hassle and don't
want to do that anymore.

I will be upgrading to a Pentium 4 system fairly soon and still need to
decide on its video adaptor. My primary question is if I select the
ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO, will my video (mode) output to a TV monitor be
stable or will it also drift. Who has experience doing that and what are
the
results. The other reason I may select the ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO is to
improve video data capture. The All in Wonder Rage128 GL (AGP) with
Pentium
III drops too many frames providing jerky replay and I'd like improvement
in
that area.

Another question is will a less expensive ATI card (such as ALL-IN-WONDER®
9600XT, ALL-IN-WONDER® 9600, or ALL-IN-WONDER® 9200) be suitable to
correct
the problems I've had and the provide improvement I want? Any comments
on
lesser products than the -IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO would be appreciated.

I am considering Averkey to stop the TV drifting problem, but realize that
won't help PC/hard drive video capture.


Thanks for any help



Roger

Roger Erickson wrote:

Scratch my comments about the ALL-IN-WONDER. 9800 PRO. After reading
the specs, that's not the card I'm wondering about. Looks like the
ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO or AIW 9700 is the card I'd be buying if the TV
output works better than my Rage.
Roger





You would be much better off with the 9800 or 9600 AIW .. they are more
future proof and DX9 compliant which the 9700 AIW is not.

regards

@ndrew

"@ndrew" andrewratinternodedotondotnet wrote:

Roger Erickson wrote:

Scratch my comments about the ALL-IN-WONDER. 9800 PRO. After reading
the specs, that's not the card I'm wondering about. Looks like the
ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO or AIW 9700 is the card I'd be buying if the TV
output works better than my Rage.
Roger





You would be much better off with the 9800 or 9600 AIW .. they are more
future proof and DX9 compliant which the 9700 AIW is not.

What leads you to believe that the Radeon 9700 is not "DX9 compliant"?

regards

@ndrew

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ATI's web spec sheet is a bit skimpy on what the AIW Radeon 9800 Pro has for
ports. On a third look, I found a picture elsewhere from a web search
showing the ports I've been use to on aiw product. My main question is still
about picture drift when playing back video in the mode required for output
to a tv monitor.


"@ndrew" andrewratinternodedotondotnet wrote in message
...
Roger Erickson wrote:

Scratch my comments about the ALL-IN-WONDER. 9800 PRO. After reading
the specs, that's not the card I'm wondering about. Looks like the
ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO or AIW 9700 is the card I'd be buying if the TV
output works better than my Rage.
Roger





You would be much better off with the 9800 or 9600 AIW .. they are more
future proof and DX9 compliant which the 9700 AIW is not.

regards

@ndrew

J. Clarke wrote:

"@ndrew" andrewratinternodedotondotnet wrote:

Roger Erickson wrote:

Scratch my comments about the ALL-IN-WONDER. 9800 PRO. After
reading the specs, that's not the card I'm wondering about. Looks
like the ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO or AIW 9700 is the card I'd be
buying if the TV output works better than my Rage.
Roger





You would be much better off with the 9800 or 9600 AIW .. they are
more future proof and DX9 compliant which the 9700 AIW is not.

What leads you to believe that the Radeon 9700 is not "DX9 compliant"?

regards

@ndrew


It is my natural distrust of equipment that is released on to the
market before an API is released. The 9700 Pro is a very good card, as
to whether it's R300 core can cut the mustard with DX9 gaming etc
remains to be seen.

Personally I always prefer to go with hardware which is release after
software in this case the DX9 is on the market.

regards

@ndrew

My primary question is if I select the
ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO, will my video (mode) output to a TV monitor be
stable or will it also drift. Who has experience doing that and what are
the
results. The other reason I may select the ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO is to
improve video data capture. The All in Wonder Rage128 GL (AGP) with
Pentium
III drops too many frames providing jerky replay and I'd like improvement
in
that area.


I can assure you that this drifting problem is not an issue on Radeon series
cards. I can confirm that after running both 8500LE and 9000mobility with my
Sony TV. I use them for movie playback, so no problem in that area.
I however have never tried AIW cards, and can't comment on recording
performance. However, i think even radeon9200 AIW won't haave any problem
with dropped frames on a P4 system. (it depends on cpu and hdd speed as
well).

Choose 9200AIW for best value, IF YOU DON'T PLAY GAMES. For gaming go for
9600XT AIW, which are expensive.

HTH

Roger Erickson wrote:

I currently use the All in Wonder Rage128 GL (AGP) on my Pentium III system.
One thing that erks me is that when I output movie video to my TV monitor in
the required 800x600 mode, the picture on both PC montor and TV monitor
drifts sometimes to the left and sometimes down, cutting off part of the
movie. For awhile, I was chasing back to the computer to reposition and
center the video; but now I've decided its not worth the hassle and don't
want to do that anymore.

I will be upgrading to a Pentium 4 system fairly soon and still need to
decide on its video adaptor. My primary question is if I select the
ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO, will my video (mode) output to a TV monitor be
stable or will it also drift. Who has experience doing that and what are the
results. The other reason I may select the ALL-IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO is to
improve video data capture. The All in Wonder Rage128 GL (AGP) with Pentium
III drops too many frames providing jerky replay and I'd like improvement in
that area.

Another question is will a less expensive ATI card (such as ALL-IN-WONDER®
9600XT, ALL-IN-WONDER® 9600, or ALL-IN-WONDER® 9200) be suitable to correct
the problems I've had and the provide improvement I want? Any comments on
lesser products than the -IN-WONDER® 9800 PRO would be appreciated.


I bought an AVerMedia DVD EZMaker USB 2.0 before I got my AIW card as a present.
I haven't used the AIW for captures because the AVerMedia device does such a
good job. Best piece of hardware I own.


I am considering Averkey to stop the TV drifting problem, but realize that
won't help PC/hard drive video capture.

Thanks for any help

Roger

"@ndrew" andrewratinternodedotondotnet wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:

"@ndrew" andrewratinternodedotondotnet wrote:

Roger Erickson wrote:

Scratch my comments about the ALL-IN-WONDER. 9800 PRO. After
reading the specs, that's not the card I'm wondering about. Looks
like the ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO or AIW 9700 is the card I'd be
buying if the TV output works better than my Rage.
Roger





You would be much better off with the 9800 or 9600 AIW .. they are
more future proof and DX9 compliant which the 9700 AIW is not.

What leads you to believe that the Radeon 9700 is not "DX9 compliant"?

regards

@ndrew


It is my natural distrust of equipment that is released on to the
market before an API is released. The 9700 Pro is a very good card, as
to whether it's R300 core can cut the mustard with DX9 gaming etc
remains to be seen.

Personally I always prefer to go with hardware which is release after
software in this case the DX9 is on the market.

Look up the specs on the 9700 vs the 9800--the only real change was one to
knock the wind out of nvidia's marketing department. If the 9700 can't
"cut the mustard" then neither can the 9800.

In any case "DirectX 9 compliant" means that it passes a test suite provided
by Microsoft for the purpose of determining said compliance. Do you have
information that suggests that the 9700 does not pass that test suite?

regards

@ndrew

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