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Stuttering DVD playback with sound problems 9700 to blame?
IDE in PIO mode ?
"Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. If I enable hardware acceleration there is a marginal improvement but to I have to keep stopping and restarting a movie to get to the end of it. What gives? I never had this problem with my old GF3 Ti200 and I understood that ATI's DVD playback capabilities were superior to my old card - was I wrong to assume this? I'm using PowerDVD as my playback program and have also looked at the Rage3D forums where it was suggested that the sound card could cause DVD problems. However, this was in regard to Creative Audigy SC's (sp?) and I'm using the built in MCP SC on my MSI Mobo. Hope someone can help. TIA Bill Sys spec/config AMD XP1700+ (1.66 GHz) MSI KN420 PRO (Using on-board audio & NIC) 768 MB DDR RAM (1x512 1x256 MB DIMMs PC2100, CAS 2.5) Sapphire 9700 (non-pro) 128MB GlobalWin 802 ATX Midi Case Antec TruePower 330 Watt PSU Primary IDE Channel 1 x 120 GB Maxtor ATA133 (Master)2 Partitions 1 x 40 GB IBM ATA66 (slave)3 Partitions Secondary IDE Channel Liteon 40x12x48x CDRW (Master) DL: F Liteon 16x DVD (Slave) DL: E OtherHW HP 940C USB Printer Cannon LiDE30 USB Scanner Belkin 7 Port USB HUB Hauppauge WinTV PCI OS: WinXP Pro SP1 |
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Nope - IDE enabled on both primary and secondary channels so that's not the
problem but thanks for the input. Bill "Usenetter" wrote in message ... IDE in PIO mode ? "Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. If I enable hardware acceleration there is a marginal improvement but to I have to keep stopping and restarting a movie to get to the end of it. What gives? I never had this problem with my old GF3 Ti200 and I understood that ATI's DVD playback capabilities were superior to my old card - was I wrong to assume this? I'm using PowerDVD as my playback program and have also looked at the Rage3D forums where it was suggested that the sound card could cause DVD problems. However, this was in regard to Creative Audigy SC's (sp?) and I'm using the built in MCP SC on my MSI Mobo. Hope someone can help. TIA Bill Sys spec/config AMD XP1700+ (1.66 GHz) MSI KN420 PRO (Using on-board audio & NIC) 768 MB DDR RAM (1x512 1x256 MB DIMMs PC2100, CAS 2.5) Sapphire 9700 (non-pro) 128MB GlobalWin 802 ATX Midi Case Antec TruePower 330 Watt PSU Primary IDE Channel 1 x 120 GB Maxtor ATA133 (Master)2 Partitions 1 x 40 GB IBM ATA66 (slave)3 Partitions Secondary IDE Channel Liteon 40x12x48x CDRW (Master) DL: F Liteon 16x DVD (Slave) DL: E OtherHW HP 940C USB Printer Cannon LiDE30 USB Scanner Belkin 7 Port USB HUB Hauppauge WinTV PCI OS: WinXP Pro SP1 |
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Duh!! Sorry Paul I meant to say that UDMA is enabled on both channels.
Interestingly the problem does not occur with Media Player 9.0 but this is not a satisfactory solution (not very versatile) so I've ordered WinDVD XP (only £15) to see if this will cure the problem (PowerDVD was bundled with the Sapphire card). I'll post in this thread if WinDVD solves the problem. Bill "Paul Murphy" wrote in message ... I fully understand that both Primary and Secondary IDE channels are enabled (can see that from your machine specs below) but are they in PIO (or UDMA) mode? If you go into device manager it should tell you what state they're in. For smooth DVD Video playback your DVD ROM drives controller should ideally be in UDMA mode (unless UDMA is not supported by the specific hardware - unlikely). Also, have you installed all the correct motherboard drivers for your OS - if reqd? Did your reinstall Power DVD after putting in the new card? Perhaps it detects the graphics cards capabilities on installation of the program and sets itself up to suit *that* hardware. FWIW I'm using ATIs Multimedia Centre 8.1 DVD Player and I have no synchronisation problems at all. I'm not sure if it'll install/work with the Sapphire card you have but if you want to go down that path, Blisware (a UK seller of the MMC 8.1 CDROMs) may know. Paul "Bill L" wrote in message ... Nope - IDE enabled on both primary and secondary channels so that's not the problem but thanks for the input. Bill "Usenetter" wrote in message ... IDE in PIO mode ? "Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. If I enable hardware acceleration there is a marginal improvement but to I have to keep stopping and restarting a movie to get to the end of it. What gives? I never had this problem with my old GF3 Ti200 and I understood that ATI's DVD playback capabilities were superior to my old card - was I wrong to assume this? I'm using PowerDVD as my playback program and have also looked at the Rage3D forums where it was suggested that the sound card could cause DVD problems. However, this was in regard to Creative Audigy SC's (sp?) and I'm using the built in MCP SC on my MSI Mobo. Hope someone can help. TIA Bill Sys spec/config AMD XP1700+ (1.66 GHz) MSI KN420 PRO (Using on-board audio & NIC) 768 MB DDR RAM (1x512 1x256 MB DIMMs PC2100, CAS 2.5) Sapphire 9700 (non-pro) 128MB GlobalWin 802 ATX Midi Case Antec TruePower 330 Watt PSU Primary IDE Channel 1 x 120 GB Maxtor ATA133 (Master)2 Partitions 1 x 40 GB IBM ATA66 (slave)3 Partitions Secondary IDE Channel Liteon 40x12x48x CDRW (Master) DL: F Liteon 16x DVD (Slave) DL: E OtherHW HP 940C USB Printer Cannon LiDE30 USB Scanner Belkin 7 Port USB HUB Hauppauge WinTV PCI OS: WinXP Pro SP1 |
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Had a feeling you meant UDMA - thanks for confirming. Maybe the reason why
Media Player doesn't have the same problem as Power DVD is due to the fact it doesn't detect the hardware capabilities on installation but perhaps when run. You never answered whether you've considered ATI's MMC (that CDROM was only £5 but you'd need to confirm it would work with your "powered by ATI" card first). Windows sometimes keeps traces of old graphics card drivers and gets in a mess when different graphics cards are used - perhaps remnants from the installation of the GF3 Ti200 are causing problems? Have you considered a fresh OS reinstall after formatting (an option that would cost no money at all - just time)? Paul "Bill L" wrote in message ... Duh!! Sorry Paul I meant to say that UDMA is enabled on both channels. Interestingly the problem does not occur with Media Player 9.0 but this is not a satisfactory solution (not very versatile) so I've ordered WinDVD XP (only £15) to see if this will cure the problem (PowerDVD was bundled with the Sapphire card). I'll post in this thread if WinDVD solves the problem. Bill "Paul Murphy" wrote in message ... I fully understand that both Primary and Secondary IDE channels are enabled (can see that from your machine specs below) but are they in PIO (or UDMA) mode? If you go into device manager it should tell you what state they're in. For smooth DVD Video playback your DVD ROM drives controller should ideally be in UDMA mode (unless UDMA is not supported by the specific hardware - unlikely). Also, have you installed all the correct motherboard drivers for your OS - if reqd? Did your reinstall Power DVD after putting in the new card? Perhaps it detects the graphics cards capabilities on installation of the program and sets itself up to suit *that* hardware. FWIW I'm using ATIs Multimedia Centre 8.1 DVD Player and I have no synchronisation problems at all. I'm not sure if it'll install/work with the Sapphire card you have but if you want to go down that path, Blisware (a UK seller of the MMC 8.1 CDROMs) may know. Paul "Bill L" wrote in message ... Nope - IDE enabled on both primary and secondary channels so that's not the problem but thanks for the input. Bill "Usenetter" wrote in message ... IDE in PIO mode ? "Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. If I enable hardware acceleration there is a marginal improvement but to I have to keep stopping and restarting a movie to get to the end of it. What gives? I never had this problem with my old GF3 Ti200 and I understood that ATI's DVD playback capabilities were superior to my old card - was I wrong to assume this? I'm using PowerDVD as my playback program and have also looked at the Rage3D forums where it was suggested that the sound card could cause DVD problems. However, this was in regard to Creative Audigy SC's (sp?) and I'm using the built in MCP SC on my MSI Mobo. Hope someone can help. TIA Bill Sys spec/config AMD XP1700+ (1.66 GHz) MSI KN420 PRO (Using on-board audio & NIC) 768 MB DDR RAM (1x512 1x256 MB DIMMs PC2100, CAS 2.5) Sapphire 9700 (non-pro) 128MB GlobalWin 802 ATX Midi Case Antec TruePower 330 Watt PSU Primary IDE Channel 1 x 120 GB Maxtor ATA133 (Master)2 Partitions 1 x 40 GB IBM ATA66 (slave)3 Partitions Secondary IDE Channel Liteon 40x12x48x CDRW (Master) DL: F Liteon 16x DVD (Slave) DL: E OtherHW HP 940C USB Printer Cannon LiDE30 USB Scanner Belkin 7 Port USB HUB Hauppauge WinTV PCI OS: WinXP Pro SP1 |
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"Bill L" wrote in message ... "LeeB18509" wrote in message ... "Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. I cured some DVD audio sync problems by unchecking "Enable digital CD audio for this CD-ROM device" in the properties of the DVD-ROM. Letting the sound go through the cable straight to the soundcard instead of down the PCI bus. Some good suggestions - I'll try the disabling the digital playback on the DVD ROM (what's the down side of this though?). I've been as through with the Ti200 uninstall as I can be (first uninstalled the drivers via control panel, the ran Detonator RIP) and I absolutely hate re-installing windows :-( I have to confess ignorance about ATI MMC - what is it?! (ATI's DVD player?). Thanks for the input though, it's much appreciated. Bill The downside of disabling digital audio playback is that you'll need to connect an audio cable between your DVD ROM drive and soundcard/onboard sound. If you have a suitable audio connector on your motherboard, you could even use a digital audio DVD ROM Drive cable (has a narrow plug and only 2 wires) so quality wont suffer. Uninstall routines are notorious for leaving bits behind in the registry and old files etc If you want to be totally confident that you've got rid of ALL Ti200 related bits, a complete OS reinstall from scratch on a freshly formatted hard disk is the safest bet (although admittedly not a quick solution). If its been some time since this has last occurred, it will likely make your machine run faster and more reliably though. As for what MMC does, have a look he http://www.ati.com/products/faqs/mmcfaq81.html#1 As stated in my earlier message, it may not install with your "non-built by" ATI hardware though - you'd need to check that out first. Paul |
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DMA enabled? intel MB? intel chipset? intel app excell installed?
"Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. If I enable hardware acceleration there is a marginal improvement but to I have to keep stopping and restarting a movie to get to the end of it. What gives? I never had this problem with my old GF3 Ti200 and I understood that ATI's DVD playback capabilities were superior to my old card - was I wrong to assume this? I'm using PowerDVD as my playback program and have also looked at the Rage3D forums where it was suggested that the sound card could cause DVD problems. However, this was in regard to Creative Audigy SC's (sp?) and I'm using the built in MCP SC on my MSI Mobo. Hope someone can help. TIA Bill Sys spec/config AMD XP1700+ (1.66 GHz) MSI KN420 PRO (Using on-board audio & NIC) 768 MB DDR RAM (1x512 1x256 MB DIMMs PC2100, CAS 2.5) Sapphire 9700 (non-pro) 128MB GlobalWin 802 ATX Midi Case Antec TruePower 330 Watt PSU Primary IDE Channel 1 x 120 GB Maxtor ATA133 (Master)2 Partitions 1 x 40 GB IBM ATA66 (slave)3 Partitions Secondary IDE Channel Liteon 40x12x48x CDRW (Master) DL: F Liteon 16x DVD (Slave) DL: E OtherHW HP 940C USB Printer Cannon LiDE30 USB Scanner Belkin 7 Port USB HUB Hauppauge WinTV PCI OS: WinXP Pro SP1 |
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Hi, Specs posted at the bottom of my initial post (AMD XP 1700 CPU so
unlikely to be anything intel about my PC? ;-) DMA enabled etc. Just got WinDVD (v. 3.1) installed and the stuttering problem has ceased (though not counting my chickens b4 they hatch etc.). Only thing with WinDVD is it doesen't pop up with an option to play a movie from the last scene - a useful feature of PowerDVD 4.0 - which is very annoying. And thanks for the link to ATI's MMC Paul, may try that in the future Bill L "JAD" wrote in message thlink.net... DMA enabled? intel MB? intel chipset? intel app excell installed? "Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. If I enable hardware acceleration there is a marginal improvement but to I have to keep stopping and restarting a movie to get to the end of it. What gives? I never had this problem with my old GF3 Ti200 and I understood that ATI's DVD playback capabilities were superior to my old card - was I wrong to assume this? I'm using PowerDVD as my playback program and have also looked at the Rage3D forums where it was suggested that the sound card could cause DVD problems. However, this was in regard to Creative Audigy SC's (sp?) and I'm using the built in MCP SC on my MSI Mobo. Hope someone can help. TIA Bill Sys spec/config AMD XP1700+ (1.66 GHz) MSI KN420 PRO (Using on-board audio & NIC) 768 MB DDR RAM (1x512 1x256 MB DIMMs PC2100, CAS 2.5) Sapphire 9700 (non-pro) 128MB GlobalWin 802 ATX Midi Case Antec TruePower 330 Watt PSU Primary IDE Channel 1 x 120 GB Maxtor ATA133 (Master)2 Partitions 1 x 40 GB IBM ATA66 (slave)3 Partitions Secondary IDE Channel Liteon 40x12x48x CDRW (Master) DL: F Liteon 16x DVD (Slave) DL: E OtherHW HP 940C USB Printer Cannon LiDE30 USB Scanner Belkin 7 Port USB HUB Hauppauge WinTV PCI OS: WinXP Pro SP1 |
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Thanks...
"Bill L" wrote in message ... Hi There is 4 speaker and 6 speaker (5.1) channel audio listed in the WinDVD audio options tab so there you go (in truth I prefer PowerDVD but as it doesen't work with my current set-up ...). I only use 2 channel audio (SC to NAD C 320BEE amp and Kef Cresta 2 speakers - so excellent quality just not very *surround* ;o). HTH Bill L "LeeB18509" wrote in message ... Does Windvd have more than 2 channel sound now? That's the reason I liked Power Dvd... "Bill L" wrote in message ... Hi, Specs posted at the bottom of my initial post (AMD XP 1700 CPU so unlikely to be anything intel about my PC? ;-) DMA enabled etc. Just got WinDVD (v. 3.1) installed and the stuttering problem has ceased (though not counting my chickens b4 they hatch etc.). Only thing with WinDVD is it doesen't pop up with an option to play a movie from the last scene - a useful feature of PowerDVD 4.0 - which is very annoying. And thanks for the link to ATI's MMC Paul, may try that in the future Bill L "JAD" wrote in message thlink.net... DMA enabled? intel MB? intel chipset? intel app excell installed? "Bill L" wrote in message ... Hello all Had a Sapphire 9700 np in the PC for about 2 weeks now but am getting serious playback problems with DVD movies (note: this is the only way I can currently watch DVD movies). Basically the video stutters and move out of sync with the soundtrack (you know the actor speaks and the dialogue is heard a fraction of a second later) eventually the movie becomes un-watchable. If I enable hardware acceleration there is a marginal improvement but to I have to keep stopping and restarting a movie to get to the end of it. What gives? I never had this problem with my old GF3 Ti200 and I understood that ATI's DVD playback capabilities were superior to my old card - was I wrong to assume this? I'm using PowerDVD as my playback program and have also looked at the Rage3D forums where it was suggested that the sound card could cause DVD problems. However, this was in regard to Creative Audigy SC's (sp?) and I'm using the built in MCP SC on my MSI Mobo. Hope someone can help. TIA Bill Sys spec/config AMD XP1700+ (1.66 GHz) MSI KN420 PRO (Using on-board audio & NIC) 768 MB DDR RAM (1x512 1x256 MB DIMMs PC2100, CAS 2.5) Sapphire 9700 (non-pro) 128MB GlobalWin 802 ATX Midi Case Antec TruePower 330 Watt PSU Primary IDE Channel 1 x 120 GB Maxtor ATA133 (Master)2 Partitions 1 x 40 GB IBM ATA66 (slave)3 Partitions Secondary IDE Channel Liteon 40x12x48x CDRW (Master) DL: F Liteon 16x DVD (Slave) DL: E OtherHW HP 940C USB Printer Cannon LiDE30 USB Scanner Belkin 7 Port USB HUB Hauppauge WinTV PCI OS: WinXP Pro SP1 |
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