memory issue

Fan problems aside (see below), I also have memory problem.

I came in a few days ago to find my win98 machine had crashed. I rebooted
and the diagnostic lights came on (MSI KT3 Ultra motherboard, VIA KT333
chipset), indicating a memory error.

The two modules each 256Mb PC2700 non-ECC, I will call A and B.

A works fine in slots 1 (nearest CPU) and 3. If I put in in slot 2 the alarm
sounds and nothing happens.
B will not work in any slot.
If I put in A and B together, B is not recognised at the BIOS startup or
anywhere else.

I have run memtest86. Three passes of default tests on A reveals no problem.
If I put in B by itself of course the machine doesn't boot and it never gets
to memtest. If I put in A and B together, memtest as far as I can see only
tests A - memory is listed as 256Mb, and tests are clear.

I am prepared to replaced module B, since this never works. Why does A only
work in two of the three slots? (The CL is marked 2.5, and I have set it as
2... it's been like this for six months, this isn't the problem is it?)
--
Susan

"S.Boardman" wrote in message
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Fan problems aside (see below), I also have memory problem.

I came in a few days ago to find my win98 machine had crashed. I rebooted
and the diagnostic lights came on (MSI KT3 Ultra motherboard, VIA KT333
chipset), indicating a memory error.

The two modules each 256Mb PC2700 non-ECC, I will call A and B.

A works fine in slots 1 (nearest CPU) and 3. If I put in in slot 2 the
alarm
sounds and nothing happens.
B will not work in any slot.
If I put in A and B together, B is not recognised at the BIOS startup or
anywhere else.

I have run memtest86. Three passes of default tests on A reveals no
problem.
If I put in B by itself of course the machine doesn't boot and it never
gets
to memtest. If I put in A and B together, memtest as far as I can see only
tests A - memory is listed as 256Mb, and tests are clear.

I am prepared to replaced module B, since this never works. Why does A
only
work in two of the three slots? (The CL is marked 2.5, and I have set it
as
2... it's been like this for six months, this isn't the problem is it?)

Bad slot. It happens. I've had the same thing happen.
The middle slot on my 694T Pro mainboard doesn't
work, but apart from that, my computer is solid as a rock.

-- Bob Day
http://www.bob.day.name

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:42:24 +0100, "S.Boardman"
wrote:

Fan problems aside (see below), I also have memory problem.

I came in a few days ago to find my win98 machine had crashed. I rebooted
and the diagnostic lights came on (MSI KT3 Ultra motherboard, VIA KT333
chipset), indicating a memory error.

The two modules each 256Mb PC2700 non-ECC, I will call A and B.

A works fine in slots 1 (nearest CPU) and 3. If I put in in slot 2 the alarm
sounds and nothing happens.
B will not work in any slot.
If I put in A and B together, B is not recognised at the BIOS startup or
anywhere else.

I have run memtest86. Three passes of default tests on A reveals no problem.
If I put in B by itself of course the machine doesn't boot and it never gets
to memtest. If I put in A and B together, memtest as far as I can see only
tests A - memory is listed as 256Mb, and tests are clear.

I am prepared to replaced module B, since this never works. Why does A only
work in two of the three slots? (The CL is marked 2.5, and I have set it as
2... it's been like this for six months, this isn't the problem is it?)

Yes, it can definitely be a problem to try running CL2.5 memory at
CL2... CL 2 is a higher-performance, more agressive timing.

Are you running the board at DDR266 FSB and DDR333 memory speed? If
so, reduce the memory speed to DDR266 to run synchronous to the FSB...
in some cases it can even improve performance.

In general the middle memory slot is often the least stable, so if
only running two modules you may as well just leave that slot empty.

The best attempt at setting memory timings might first be trying the
"Auto" or "SPD" BIOS setting. If that proves instable, manually set
the individual timings to the slower (higher number) settings.


Dave

"kony" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:42:24 +0100, "S.Boardman"
wrote:

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I am prepared to replaced module B, since this never works. Why does A
only
work in two of the three slots? (The CL is marked 2.5, and I have set it
as
2... it's been like this for six months, this isn't the problem is it?)

Yes, it can definitely be a problem to try running CL2.5 memory at
CL2... CL 2 is a higher-performance, more agressive timing.


I thought it was OK to do this as long as the memory is decent spec/quality?

Are you running the board at DDR266 FSB and DDR333 memory speed?

Haven't a clue!

If
so, reduce the memory speed to DDR266 to run synchronous to the FSB...
in some cases it can even improve performance.

In general the middle memory slot is often the least stable, so if
only running two modules you may as well just leave that slot empty.

The best attempt at setting memory timings might first be trying the
"Auto" or "SPD" BIOS setting. If that proves instable, manually set
the individual timings to the slower (higher number) settings.

I'll have a look in the BIOS. I've shuffled them around again and the
modules seem to work in slots one and three. Memtest86 records 512 Mb and
even the extended tests come back fine... Why module B fails on its own, I
do not know!
--
Susan

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:31:59 +0100, "S.Boardman"
wrote:


Yes, it can definitely be a problem to try running CL2.5 memory at
CL2... CL 2 is a higher-performance, more agressive timing.


I thought it was OK to do this as long as the memory is decent spec/quality?

CL2.5 isn't "decent" spec.. lower CAS # memory is the better memory.
CL2.5 memory should work fine, but you're essentially overclocking it.

Some people can get away with manually setting timings exceeding the
manufacturer's spec, but whenever a problem arises relating to memory,
it needs be returned to specified values.


Are you running the board at DDR266 FSB and DDR333 memory speed?

Haven't a clue!

The BIOS setup should show this, either as the number (266 or 133) or
as "+33". Often KT333 boards do default to running at +33, otherwise
known as an asynchronous mode, since it doesn't match the FSB speed.
I'd run both at DDR266, which again the bios may call 133 (MHz).


I'll have a look in the BIOS. I've shuffled them around again and the
modules seem to work in slots one and three. Memtest86 records 512 Mb and
even the extended tests come back fine... Why module B fails on its own, I
do not know!

That is unusual. Perhaps being a less capable module, when it's the
only module in use, the motherboard increases (lowers) the memory
timings, but with both modules in, the timings are relaxed again.


Dave