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Problem w/Win98 & Hyper Threading P4?
I've been building my own pc's for 12 years now but am stumped with a
current problem. I'm trying to set up a dual boot Win98SE & XP Pro on a P4 2.8 HT using an Intel GPFL mobo. I previously ran XP Pro for a month with no problems, then realized I needed to dual boot and so wiped the HD, repartitioned and formatted and began this dual install. I have partitioned a 200G WD drive so that one gig is FAT32 for the W98 OS (first partition on drive), and the remainder of the drive NFTS for XP. But the W98 install has problems, and once installed the loading takes forever and often hangs. By "forever" I mean get up, go away, come back later and maybe it has progressed, maybe not. I do have 2 gigs of RAM, but at the point in the 98 install when the initial setup done from boot floppy is complete and it is ready to reboot from the hard drive, I go into the system.ini file and in the [386Enh] section add the line "MaxPhysPage=1F3FF" which limits RAM to 500 megs. Still after 3 attempts to install 98SE the pc hangs during the OS loading. Then I wondered if the Hyper Threading could be a problem for 98 and have disabled that in the BIOS. But still the OS will hang or load very slowly. Any ideas? Thoughts appreciated. My next plan is to take the 15 Gig drive, currently primary channel slave, and repartition it as a primary-active, and make it the Primary Master and set up 98 on it. I believe I can install XP pro on the 200 Gig connected as Primary slave? (I know W98 won't run from there but I think XP Pro will?) |
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289425 wrote:
I've been building my own pc's for 12 years now but am stumped with a current problem. I'm trying to set up a dual boot Win98SE & XP Pro on a P4 2.8 HT using an Intel GPFL mobo. I previously ran XP Pro for a month with no problems, then realized I needed to dual boot and so wiped the HD, repartitioned and formatted and began this dual install. I have partitioned a 200G WD drive so that one gig is FAT32 for the W98 OS (first partition on drive), and the remainder of the drive NFTS for XP. But the W98 install has problems, and once installed the loading takes forever and often hangs. By "forever" I mean get up, go away, come back later and maybe it has progressed, maybe not. I do have 2 gigs of RAM, but at the point in the 98 install when the initial setup done from boot floppy is complete and it is ready to reboot from the hard drive, I go into the system.ini file and in the [386Enh] section add the line "MaxPhysPage=1F3FF" which limits RAM to 500 megs. Still after 3 attempts to install 98SE the pc hangs during the OS loading. Then I wondered if the Hyper Threading could be a problem for 98 and have disabled that in the BIOS. But still the OS will hang or load very slowly. Any ideas? Thoughts appreciated. My next plan is to take the 15 Gig drive, currently primary channel slave, and repartition it as a primary-active, and make it the Primary Master and set up 98 on it. I believe I can install XP pro on the 200 Gig connected as Primary slave? (I know W98 won't run from there but I think XP Pro will?) I seem to recall that win98 has a problem with processors faster than around 1.8G. I don't remember the details but I belive there was a fix for it. That may not be your problem but it might be worth digging it up on google. |
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Sal Monella wrote:
289425 wrote: I've been building my own pc's for 12 years now but am stumped with a current problem. I'm trying to set up a dual boot Win98SE & XP Pro on a P4 2.8 HT using an Intel GPFL mobo. I previously ran XP Pro for a month with no problems, then realized I needed to dual boot and so wiped the HD, repartitioned and formatted and began this dual install. I have partitioned a 200G WD drive so that one gig is FAT32 for the W98 OS (first partition on drive), and the remainder of the drive NFTS for XP. But the W98 install has problems, and once installed the loading takes forever and often hangs. By "forever" I mean get up, go away, come back later and maybe it has progressed, maybe not. I do have 2 gigs of RAM, but at the point in the 98 install when the initial setup done from boot floppy is complete and it is ready to reboot from the hard drive, I go into the system.ini file and in the [386Enh] section add the line "MaxPhysPage=1F3FF" which limits RAM to 500 megs. Still after 3 attempts to install 98SE the pc hangs during the OS loading. Then I wondered if the Hyper Threading could be a problem for 98 and have disabled that in the BIOS. But still the OS will hang or load very slowly. Any ideas? Thoughts appreciated. My next plan is to take the 15 Gig drive, currently primary channel slave, and repartition it as a primary-active, and make it the Primary Master and set up 98 on it. I believe I can install XP pro on the 200 Gig connected as Primary slave? (I know W98 won't run from there but I think XP Pro will?) I seem to recall that win98 has a problem with processors faster than around 1.8G. I don't remember the details but I belive there was a fix for it. That may not be your problem but it might be worth digging it up on google. Here's what I thinking of, it's 2.1G and faster. http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/t1036524908 http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108 I've heard the patch is a pain to get from M$ but it can be found he http://www.pyramidcs.com/download/Patches/NDIS_Win98/ Read the hotfix.txt |
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You're kind of swimming upstream here. Win 98 CANNOT use more than 512 MB
of RAM or you get crashes. And Win 98 cannot recognize harddrives that are larger than 137 GB. -- DaveW "289425" wrote in message ... I've been building my own pc's for 12 years now but am stumped with a current problem. I'm trying to set up a dual boot Win98SE & XP Pro on a P4 2.8 HT using an Intel GPFL mobo. I previously ran XP Pro for a month with no problems, then realized I needed to dual boot and so wiped the HD, repartitioned and formatted and began this dual install. I have partitioned a 200G WD drive so that one gig is FAT32 for the W98 OS (first partition on drive), and the remainder of the drive NFTS for XP. But the W98 install has problems, and once installed the loading takes forever and often hangs. By "forever" I mean get up, go away, come back later and maybe it has progressed, maybe not. I do have 2 gigs of RAM, but at the point in the 98 install when the initial setup done from boot floppy is complete and it is ready to reboot from the hard drive, I go into the system.ini file and in the [386Enh] section add the line "MaxPhysPage=1F3FF" which limits RAM to 500 megs. Still after 3 attempts to install 98SE the pc hangs during the OS loading. Then I wondered if the Hyper Threading could be a problem for 98 and have disabled that in the BIOS. But still the OS will hang or load very slowly. Any ideas? Thoughts appreciated. My next plan is to take the 15 Gig drive, currently primary channel slave, and repartition it as a primary-active, and make it the Primary Master and set up 98 on it. I believe I can install XP pro on the 200 Gig connected as Primary slave? (I know W98 won't run from there but I think XP Pro will?) |
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In article %tGdc.111486$JO3.78874@attbi_s04, DaveW wrote:
You're kind of swimming upstream here. Win 98 CANNOT use more than 512 MB of RAM or you get crashes. And Win 98 cannot recognize harddrives that are larger than 137 GB. -- DaveW "289425" wrote in message .. . I've been building my own pc's for 12 years now but am stumped with a current problem. I'm trying to set up a dual boot Win98SE & XP Pro on a P4 2.8 HT using an Intel GPFL mobo. I previously ran XP Pro for a month with no problems, then realized I needed to dual boot and so wiped the HD, repartitioned and formatted and began this dual install. I have partitioned a 200G WD drive so that one gig is FAT32 for the W98 OS (first partition on drive), and the remainder of the drive NFTS for XP. But the W98 install has problems, and once installed the loading takes forever and often hangs. By "forever" I mean get up, go away, come back later and maybe it has progressed, maybe not. I do have 2 gigs of RAM, but at the point in the 98 install when the initial setup done from boot floppy is complete and it is ready to reboot from the hard drive, I go into the system.ini file and in the [386Enh] section add the line "MaxPhysPage=1F3FF" which limits RAM to 500 megs. Still after 3 attempts to install 98SE the pc hangs during the OS loading. Then I wondered if the Hyper Threading could be a problem for 98 and have disabled that in the BIOS. But still the OS will hang or load very slowly. Any ideas? Thoughts appreciated. My next plan is to take the 15 Gig drive, currently primary channel slave, and repartition it as a primary-active, and make it the Primary Master and set up 98 on it. I believe I can install XP pro on the 200 Gig connected as Primary slave? (I know W98 won't run from there but I think XP Pro will?) Since w/98 never used multiple processors in any way, I don't expect it will see them on a HT pentium. Doesn't that show up as twp CPUs in an OS that _can_ run MP ? I don't know if this is slowing your w/98 down. -- Al Dykes ----------- adykes at p a n i x . c o m |
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"DaveW" wrote:
You're kind of swimming upstream here. Win 98 CANNOT use more than 512 MB of RAM or you get crashes. And Win 98 cannot recognize harddrives that are larger than 137 GB. Reread my post. I have RAM limited to 500 MB, and only the first gig of the large drive was Primary partition, FAT32. The rest of the drive formatted in NFTS is not readable, nor recognized by 98, which is just fine. Win98 was installed on the first gig. |
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Sal Monella,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! This is EXACTLY what is happening with me. I wondered where this was coming up in my install, and tonight after reinstalling 98, I was step by step singly loading the Intel mobo drivers with a Ghost backup in between each one. It was after I installed the onboard LAN drivers that the trouble began. Reading the article on the Microsoft website about hotfixes I noticed confirmation of something I also learned tonight doing the installs again. The 98SE drivers database misreads hotfix files vs original release versions. Specifically, when loading from CD the mobo's onboard audio drivers I repeatedly was notified that "a file being copied is older than the file currently on your disk. It is recommended that you keep this file". I wondered about that as this was still 98SE before any updating online. So how could the file coming with this new mobo be older? Examination showed that in fact the drivers on the mobo CD were LATER than the ones currently installed, but the 98SE driver loading program misread it as the opposite. Apart from ones own examination of the version of each file, there is another indication which the article talks about. When viewing the Properties of 98 Hotfix files, there is an additional line of info on the Version tab named "Special Build Description" that is set to the value "QFE." I made sure all the QFE's replaced the original and now audio is happy, too. But I'll forever be skeptical about such warnings from now on. |
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Sal Monella wrote:
Here's what I thinking of, it's 2.1G and faster. http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/t1036524908 http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108 Gotta love MS, they have a patch for a buggy product they SOLD you yet want money for the patch!!! Thanx for the links! -- Stacey |
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289425 wrote:
But the W98 install has problems, and once installed the loading takes forever and often hangs. By "forever" I mean get up, go away, come back later and maybe it has progressed, maybe not. I do have 2 gigs of RAM, but at the point in the 98 install when the initial setup done from boot floppy is complete and it is ready to reboot from the hard drive, I go into the system.ini file and in the [386Enh] section add the line "MaxPhysPage=1F3FF" which limits RAM to 500 megs. Still after 3 attempts to install 98SE the pc hangs during the OS loading. Then I wondered if the Hyper Threading could be a problem for 98 and have disabled that in the BIOS. But still the OS will hang or load very slowly. It's not the HT being diabled. I'm running a 2.8C P4 with 512MB and 98 runs fine. -- Stacey |
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