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"Grumble" wrote in message ... MyndPhlyp wrote: If that were true, McDonalds and Burger King would not have been sued by people spilling commonly known hot beverages in their laps. We might have a foundation here for a class action lawsuit. Hmmm. (I wonder ... if my kid burns his hand on the stove, who would I sue: the stove manufacturer, the electric company, the installer, the supplier, the interior designer, the landlord? After all, our (US) court system has pretty much accepted we are not responsible for our own actions these days.) The infamous "McDonald's coffee case" is definitely *NOT* an example of frivolous lawsuits. In your opinion. |
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MyndPhlyp wrote:
Grumble wrote: The infamous "McDonald's coffee case" is definitely *NOT* an example of frivolous lawsuits. In your opinion. Yes. In my humble opinion, based on the facts presented in the press and in the article the link to which you inappropriately snipped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case -- Regards, Grumble |
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips MyndPhlyp wrote:
http://www.liberator.net/articles/Va...nsibility.html Very nice, but I wouldn't consider debridement to be required for "minor burns". Especially not on the vulva (ouch!) IMHO, Wikipedia is a bit more authoratative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case It _is_ an interesting question of responsibility: 1) coffee is customarily served at 150-160'F 2) McD coffee was deliberately served at 180-190'F (presumably for competitive advantage -- staying warm longer or to use cheaper coffee beans) 3) who is to blame for the resulting burns? The same question of responsibility arises in lots of cases, tire blowouts, vehicles catching fire, ... Maybe people in the computer field accept strict "caveat emptor" because the major software supplier(s) produce buggy products. -- Robert |
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"Robert Redelmeier" wrote in message om... It _is_ an interesting question of responsibility: 1) coffee is customarily served at 150-160'F 2) McD coffee was deliberately served at 180-190'F 3) who is to blame for the resulting burns? Maybe people in the computer field accept strict "caveat emptor" because the major software supplier(s) produce buggy products. This is getting way off the path, but one just can't flog a dead horse enough. g Maybe I am old school. Obviously I firmly believe we are responsible for our own acts and decisions (or lack thereof). It is something I was taught at a very early age by my Depression Era parents and has little to do with being in the computer field. Just for grins I pulled out a manual that came with a water heater I recently installed. (Just look at all those warning statements on the BernzOmatic propane tank. Who would have thought it contained flammable gas?) There's a handy chart showing the time it takes to produce a serious burn for various temperatures (in Fahrenheit): 120F = More than 5 minutes 125F = 1-1/2 to 2 minutes 130F = About 30 seconds 135F = About 10 seconds 140F = Less than 5 seconds 145F = Less than 3 seconds 150F = About 1-1/2 seconds 155F = About 1 second Given that knowledge and that coffee is generally served at 150F, would I expect to /*not*/ be burned if I dumped a coffee in my lap? Caveat emptor has been around for a very long time. A consumer of any product or service is an idiot for failing to use at least a modicum of common sense. To seek compensation for one's stupidity or ignorance is a redundant act. (Wouldn't you know it -- I was just doing some repairs around the house and whacked my thumb with the hammer. There's no warning label. Time to leaf through the Yellow Pages in search of a liar ... er, lawyer ... to go after Craftsman.) |
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"Lee Waun" wrote in message news:euVWc.53330$X12.40618@edtnps84... None of the above. Your wife was the one who left the stove unattended while the burner was hot. :-D Ah - no good. She would have grounds for a countersuit since I (presumably) had something to do with the conception and there would undoubtedly be a jury out there willing to listen to a liar ... er, lawyer argue the kid wouldn't have burnt his hand if he hadn't been conceived in the first place. Well then your parents should be sued for concieving you as they made you etc. Why not just everyone sue everyone. Wait in America they do do that. Yeppers. Somehow your post escaped me. Now that I've found it, you can expect a summons delivery soon. I'm going to sue you for defamation of character. g |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:08:44 +0200, Grumble wrote:
The infamous "McDonald's coffee case" is definitely *NOT* an example of frivolous lawsuits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case BS, Any coffee drinker knows that the water is boiling when brewed. I'd assume it to be freshly brewed at 212F, and as such a potential danger if spilled on someone. She shouldn't have gotten crap. And yes I read the link even though you didn't post it right. it wasn't M's fault she was a 79 year old idiot. And I guess that the driver was an idiot too for not warning her it was hot. After all, he's the one that took the coffee from the drivein window, not her. It also wasn't M's fault that she decided to stick it between her legs. You can argue this crap all you want, but those are the facts. Shouldn't have respned to this off topic crap, but idiots just make me sick. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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"Wes Newell" wrote in message newsan.2004.09.01.16.21.42.989445@TAKEOUTverizon .net... On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:08:44 +0200, Grumble wrote: Shouldn't have respned to this off topic crap, but idiots just make me sick. ROFLMAO! It's like walking by a sign that says "Wet Paint". |
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"MyndPhlyp" wrote in message . net... "Lee Waun" wrote in message news:euVWc.53330$X12.40618@edtnps84... None of the above. Your wife was the one who left the stove unattended while the burner was hot. :-D Ah - no good. She would have grounds for a countersuit since I (presumably) had something to do with the conception and there would undoubtedly be a jury out there willing to listen to a liar ... er, lawyer argue the kid wouldn't have burnt his hand if he hadn't been conceived in the first place. Well then your parents should be sued for concieving you as they made you etc. Why not just everyone sue everyone. Wait in America they do do that. Yeppers. Somehow your post escaped me. Now that I've found it, you can expect a summons delivery soon. I'm going to sue you for defamation of character. g AMD sucks. Intel rules. Now you have more grounds to sue. |
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"Lee Waun" wrote in message news:YQmZc.43019$A8.14348@edtnps89... AMD sucks. Intel rules. Now you have more grounds to sue. Uh ... nope. I don't shill for AMD. But seeing as how you are so fond of them g, I called off the liar. |
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