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  #11  
Old April 17th 07, 08:18 PM posted to comp.sys.hp.hardware,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
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Default Anyone has a SmartStart 6.40 CD to laying around?


"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message
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* Nut Cracker:

Well, that depends. Here in Germany they are not that expensive but
usually not really cheap, too. Especially since that would require me to
buy an 5304 and not the much cheaper 5302 because only the 5304 came
with the ADG module as standard (this was an option for the 5302).


I believe all that is required is a certain amount of BBWC (128M, if
memory serves me well).


No. The SA5300 must also have the RAID6/ADG option which was optional on
the SA5302:

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10640_div/10640_div.html

So a SA5302 won't do. The same is valid for SA5304 which were sold as
SA5302 originally and upgraded to SA5304 later.

the 5300 and 5302 are identical. The 5304 simply has an additional 2 port
option to the 5302.

something like this should be doable for you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-of-2-COMPAQ-...QQcmdZViewItem


Well, it's not clear if these controllers have the ADG option (can't see
the ADG module on the photos and the seller doesn't seem to know anything
about these controllers). Then I have to add shipping costs to Europe
(Germany), if I can convince the seller to ship to outside US. IMHO too
much hazzle for untested controllers with questionable functionality...

Benjamin


This is interesting ...

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/f...18055+28353475

- LC


  #12  
Old April 18th 07, 06:39 AM posted to comp.sys.hp.hardware,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
Jez T
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Default Anyone has a SmartStart 6.40 CD to laying around?


"Benjamin Gawert" wrote
Support? Hell, a call to HP would probably cost me more than I paid for
the whole server (70EUR without SA6400 and disks) ;-)


You're in Germany right?
A support call won't cost you anything more than the cost of a phone call.
Ring at 8:05 in the morning - you get straight through.
If you have a problem, they will help diagnose and tell you what part(s) you
need.
You don't have to accept their parts offer.

Though in all fairness, alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers is the best place to
come if you're not in a hurry

It's for home useage.


OK - fine.

At work we have masses of HP kits, but at the times of this ML530G1 we
were using the HP Netserver equivalents (LH4 and such)


Eeeeeugh! Netservers!

IMHO it's just stupid that this thing doesn't have a RBSU.


I always thought the system partitions were great at the time....


  #13  
Old April 18th 07, 06:42 AM posted to comp.sys.hp.hardware,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
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Default Anyone has a SmartStart 6.40 CD to laying around?


"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message
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* Nut Cracker:

At this point, I think your best bet is to get your hands on an SA5300.
They are dirt cheap on ebay these days.


Well, that depends. Here in Germany they are not that expensive but
usually not really cheap, too. Especially since that would require me to
buy an 5304 and not the much cheaper 5302 because only the 5304 came with
the ADG module as standard (this was an option for the 5302).


I think you'll find that it's a BIOS feature, not a difference between a
5302 and a 5304.

A 5304 is just a 5302 with an extra 2-port module on. (check the part
numbers).

BUT, if you do have a 5302, I would be surprised if it supports 300Gb HDDs -
make sure you check that first.


  #14  
Old April 18th 07, 06:48 AM posted to comp.sys.hp.hardware,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
Jez T
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Default Anyone has a SmartStart 6.40 CD to laying around?


"Benjamin Gawert" wrote
No. The SA5300 must also have the RAID6/ADG option which was optional on
the SA5302:

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10640_div/10640_div.html

So a SA5302 won't do. The same is valid for SA5304 which were sold as
SA5302 originally and upgraded to SA5304 later.


Wrong.
--- Quote ---
Smart Array 5300 Controller
The Smart Array 5300 series of high-performance Ultra3 array controllers
snip innovative modular design and new Advanced Data Guarding (RAID ADG)
technology.
--- End Quote ---

So all SA5300 series controllers can do ADG.
As LC pointed out, memory may be an issue, but I would have thought not -
I've never heaed of memory (or lack of it) affecting the features of a
SmartArray controller.

300Gb disks is another matter...


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Old April 18th 07, 12:01 PM posted to comp.sys.hp.hardware,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
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* Jez T:

No. The SA5300 must also have the RAID6/ADG option which was optional on
the SA5302:

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10640_div/10640_div.html

So a SA5302 won't do. The same is valid for SA5304 which were sold as
SA5302 originally and upgraded to SA5304 later.


Wrong.
--- Quote ---
Smart Array 5300 Controller
The Smart Array 5300 series of high-performance Ultra3 array controllers
snip innovative modular design and new Advanced Data Guarding (RAID ADG)
technology.
--- End Quote ---

So all SA5300 series controllers can do ADG.


Nope. You probably didn't read the complete text:

--- quote ---
NOTE: RAID ADG is a standard feature of SA-5304 and available as an
option to other models. RAID ADG requires a minimum of 64-MB
battery-backed cache.
--- end of quote ---

Benjamin
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Old April 18th 07, 12:33 PM posted to comp.sys.hp.hardware,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
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* Jez T:

Well, that depends. Here in Germany they are not that expensive but
usually not really cheap, too. Especially since that would require me to
buy an 5304 and not the much cheaper 5302 because only the 5304 came with
the ADG module as standard (this was an option for the 5302).


I think you'll find that it's a BIOS feature, not a difference between a
5302 and a 5304.


It's not (resp. not solely) a BIOS issue. On the SA5300 series RAID ADG
requires that a little module which can be fixed on the rear side of the
PCB is present. This module only comes as standard on the SA5304, the
other SA5300s (SA5302 and SA5302/FC) don't come with RAID ADG support.
For these it is an option (option 199371-B21) that had to be bought
separately.

BTW: I already owned several SA5300s so I'm very sure about that. Sadly
I sold them already long ago...

BUT, if you do have a 5302, I would be surprised if it supports 300Gb HDDs -
make sure you check that first.


The SA5300 works perfectly with 300GB HDs, and it also supports them
officially.

Benjamin
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Old April 18th 07, 12:45 PM posted to comp.sys.hp.hardware,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
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* Jez T:

Support? Hell, a call to HP would probably cost me more than I paid
for the whole server (70EUR without SA6400 and disks) ;-)


You're in Germany right?


Yup.

A support call won't cost you anything more than the cost of a phone
call. Ring at 8:05 in the morning - you get straight through. If you
have a problem, they will help diagnose and tell you what part(s) you
need. You don't have to accept their parts offer.


I already talked with HP tech support. Unfortunately it looks I'm lost,
the SmartStart 5.50 is indeed the last version that does service partitions.

Though in all fairness, alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers is the best
place to come if you're not in a hurry


Thanks for the tip, that's a good idea.

It's for home useage.


OK - fine.

At work we have masses of HP kits, but at the times of this
ML530G1 we were using the HP Netserver equivalents (LH4 and such)


Eeeeeugh! Netservers!


Well, we never had any problems with them (only the E-Series could cause
some headaches sometimes but then the E-Series was basically a generic
Asus mobo in a HP-labeled ATX case). The Netservers were rock-solid and
very reliable (probably as most ProLiants of that time).

Now with these servers being obsolete IMHO it's a bit of an advantage
for the Netservers that they do have RBSU and that they also accept not
officially supported processors (the ProLiants usually just presented a
"Not supported CPU found. System haltet" and refused to do anything
further).

However, for my little home project I had the choice of using an
Netserver LH4 with 4x XEON 700/2MB or this Compaq ProLiant ML530 with 2x
XEON 1GHz/256k. Since the ProLiant uses PC133 SDRAM which is easier to
get than the 50ns EDO DIMMs of the LH4, has the faster bus system and
draws less power I took the ProLiant. Even with the hazzle with the
service partition I don't think it was a bad decision...

IMHO it's just stupid that this thing doesn't have a RBSU.


I always thought the system partitions were great at the time....


I agree that a service partition can be a great thing (all setup and
diag programs stored on one place) but Compaq still could have given
them at least a BIOS setup routine in their ROM.

Benjamin
  #18  
Old April 18th 07, 09:21 PM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
Heimo Hetl
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Jez T wrote:

If you have a problem, they will help diagnose and tell you what part(s) you
need.
You don't have to accept their parts offer.


This is exactly what I did two days ago when a DL360G2 slowly started
failing on me. Can you give me a hint where I could get a new logic
board? The part no. is 252355-001. (I am in Austria, but any other EU
country would be just as fine)

Thanks a lot!

cheers
Heimo

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Old April 18th 07, 09:25 PM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
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"Heimo Hetl" wrote in message
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Jez T wrote:

If you have a problem, they will help diagnose and tell you what part(s)
you
need.
You don't have to accept their parts offer.


This is exactly what I did two days ago when a DL360G2 slowly started
failing on me. Can you give me a hint where I could get a new logic
board? The part no. is 252355-001. (I am in Austria, but any other EU
country would be just as fine)

Thanks a lot!

cheers
Heimo


http://search.ebay.com/search/search...001&category0=

- LC


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Old April 19th 07, 09:22 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers
Heimo Hetl
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Nut Cracker wrote:

[...] Can you give me a hint where I could get a new logic
board? The part no. is 252355-001. (I am in Austria, but any other EU
country would be just as fine)


http://search.ebay.com/...


Well, thanks, but I had looked there myself. However, since this is for
company use, I'd prefer to buy from a dealer in the EU, and I'd rather
consider a new board instead of used. HP faxed me an offer, but they
only quoted their techie rates, not the spare part itself. (And they
won't sell the spare part without a techie coming to install it.) The
support guy on the phone suggested "getting the part from a
distributor", but he couldn't name one. Suggestions anyone?


cheers
Heimo

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