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Newbie questions about 64-bit systems
I'm a very experienced computer system builder But so far all systems
I've built are around the Athlon XP 32-bit ones. Never touched any 64-bit stuff. So could anyone (preferably those who has a 64-bit AMD and had used an AMD 32-bit CPU/mobo) point out the most important things I need to know before I proceed onto built my friend's new 64-bit pc? eg, Do existing PCI cards work with a 64-bit mobo? eg, Do they still use FSBxMultiplier = speed? eg, Will existing applications work? Will there be exceptions? How about games (and 3D DX9.. ones)? eg, Power supply standards? Thak you very much |
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Humga wrote:
I'm a very experienced computer system builder But so far all systems I've built are around the Athlon XP 32-bit ones. Never touched any 64-bit stuff. So could anyone (preferably those who has a 64-bit AMD and had used an AMD 32-bit CPU/mobo) point out the most important things I need to know before I proceed onto built my friend's new 64-bit pc? Not really. eg, Do existing PCI cards work with a 64-bit mobo? Yeah. eg, Do they still use FSBxMultiplier = speed? Yeah. eg, Will existing applications work? Will there be exceptions? How about games (and 3D DX9.. ones)? Faster (for a given clock rate) eg, Power supply standards? ATX. Thak you very much No problem. :-p The hypertransport link is probably something worth looking at in more detail. Oh, they can be picky about lots of memory, best stick to 2 DIMMs or you may end up at less than 200MHz. Errr... Sockets 754: Cheap. Single Channel. Support for a year or so. 939: More cache, Dual Channel. 940: Opteron, Dual Channel but requires buffered DIMMs. Chipsets: nForce3 150: No. nForce3 250: Yes, a very nice single chip solution with lots of trimmings. VIA: Err... KT880 looks good. Thats it, I think. They're lower power consumption than XPs, so cooling and PSU is basically as you were... Ben -- A7N8X FAQ: www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups. I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String... |
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"Ben" == Ben Pope writes:
Ben 939: More cache, Dual Channel. Nice summary but where is the more cache for the 939? I thought the cache was on the chip, not the motherboard chipset. Thanks for the information. |
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Humga wrote:
I'm a very experienced computer system builder But so far all systems I've built are around the Athlon XP 32-bit ones. Never touched any 64-bit stuff. So could anyone (preferably those who has a 64-bit AMD and had used an AMD 32-bit CPU/mobo) point out the most important things I need to know before I proceed onto built my friend's new 64-bit pc? eg, Do existing PCI cards work with a 64-bit mobo? Should be no problem. eg, Do they still use FSBxMultiplier = speed? Yeah, sort of. One thing you should note is that the FSB speed is no longer quite as important to the processor or system performance that it once was. For example, the FSB is no longer involved in setting the speed of the PCI bus anymore. The PCI bus is now run off of the Hypertransport bus, and Hypertransport is virtually a clock-less bus -- it adjusts to whatever the lowest common frequency is of its devices. So overclocking the FSB no longer results in overclocking the PCI performance. Which is actually a pretty good feature, because now you can overclock the processor without having to worry about overclocking the PCI bus -- you'd often find that a processor can be overclocked greatly but the PCI bus may have been very finicky -- so this is no longer a danger. eg, Will existing applications work? Will there be exceptions? How about games (and 3D DX9.. ones)? Sure none of this will be any different, because you're using the exact same 32-bit operating systems that you're already using, such as Windows 2000 or XP or 2003. The 64-bit versions of these Windows systems hasn't been released yet, they are still in beta testing right now. They aren't expected to be available now, until early 2005. When they do come out, you're likely not going to have any unusual problems with them other than the usual problems people have when upgrading from one version of Windows to the next newer one (eg. when people upgraded from Windows 98 to 2000, or from 2000 to XP): which is basically trying to find new versions of device drivers, and applications certified to run on the new OS. Sometimes you'll find that even applications not certified to run on the OS will still run (basically the applications' developers hadn't re-certified, but that doesn't mean it won't work). eg, Power supply standards? Completely standard ATX power supplies. In fact, you'd be better off with AMD because it can actually still live within the limits of an ATX system, since it uses so little power compared to an Intel Pentium 4 Prescott system. Intel is considering coming up with a completely new motherboard and power supply system called BTX just to feed and cool the hungry Prescotts. BTX was created to overcome the Intel processor's power overconsumption, by allowing bigger cooling fans to be installed on the processors, and more grounds coming from the power supply to let more electricity flow through; this is not a problem with the AMD processors so they can continue to use the already existent (and cheaply available!) ATX systems. Yousuf Khan |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004, Post Replies Here Please wrote:
"Ben" == Ben Pope writes: Ben 939: More cache, Dual Channel. Nice summary but where is the more cache for the 939? I thought the cache was on the chip, not the motherboard chipset. It is on the chip, but type of chip may dictate how much cache it has. But AMD's web site does not show 939 chips having any more cache. Spec's can change at any time. For example, of current 754 chips, the 3200+ is now 2.2 GHz w/512K L2, and my 3200+ is 2.0 GHz w/1M cache. -- David Efflandt - All spam ignored http://www.de-srv.com/ |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:58:53 +0100, Humga wrote:
I'm a very experienced computer system builder But so far all systems I've built are around the Athlon XP 32-bit ones. Never touched any 64-bit stuff. So could anyone (preferably those who has a 64-bit AMD and had used an AMD 32-bit CPU/mobo) point out the most important things I need to know before I proceed onto built my friend's new 64-bit pc? eg, Do existing PCI cards work with a 64-bit mobo? Yes. eg, Do they still use FSBxMultiplier = speed? Always. eg, Will existing applications work? Will there be exceptions? How about Yes. None that I know of. (as long as you run in 32bit mode). games (and 3D DX9.. ones)? Great for games. eg, Power supply standards? Had a 400W on my XP system that wouldn't run my A64 system. I 've used 3 cheap PSU's 500W and above with success. It needs the extra 12v Connector probably. At least I think all A64 boards require it, but you never know. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 06:06:34 +0000, David Efflandt wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004, Post Replies Here Please wrote: "Ben" == Ben Pope writes: Ben 939: More cache, Dual Channel. Nice summary but where is the more cache for the 939? I thought the cache was on the chip, not the motherboard chipset. It is on the chip, but type of chip may dictate how much cache it has. But AMD's web site does not show 939 chips having any more cache. Spec's can change at any time. For example, of current 754 chips, the 3200+ is now 2.2 GHz w/512K L2, and my 3200+ is 2.0 GHz w/1M cache. Thge 939s have less not more cache. Opterons and 754s have 1M of cache, the 939s have 1/2M. The 939s will go back to 1M of cache when the 90nm versions are released. |
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General Schvantzkoph wrote:
Thge 939s have less not more cache. Opterons and 754s have 1M of cache, the 939s have 1/2M. The 939s will go back to 1M of cache when the 90nm versions are released. Yeah, thats what I seem to remember, it was the general idea of the future that I was trying to present, didn't point that out, assumed people would see the spec of the chip they were purchasing. Ben -- A7N8X FAQ: www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups. I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String... |
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"David" == David Efflandt writes:
David On Sun, 01 Aug 2004, Post Replies Here Please David wrote: "Ben" == Ben Pope writes: Ben 939: More cache, Dual Channel. Nice summary but where is the more cache for the 939? I thought the cache was on the chip, not the motherboard chipset. David It is on the chip, but type of chip may dictate how much cache David it has. But AMD's web site does not show 939 chips having any David more cache. Spec's can change at any time. For example, of David current 754 chips, the 3200+ is now 2.2 GHz w/512K L2, and my David 3200+ is 2.0 GHz w/1M cache. I have wondered which one is faster? More speed or more cache? Does any have a site with some good benchmarks? Thanks |
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I believe the s939 FX's still have 1M L2 cache as they are Sledgehammer
cores and not Newcastles (which have 512K)... http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=65000304 Cheers "Ben Pope" wrote in message ... General Schvantzkoph wrote: Thge 939s have less not more cache. Opterons and 754s have 1M of cache, the 939s have 1/2M. The 939s will go back to 1M of cache when the 90nm versions are released. Yeah, thats what I seem to remember, it was the general idea of the future that I was trying to present, didn't point that out, assumed people would see the spec of the chip they were purchasing. Ben -- A7N8X FAQ: www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups. I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String... |
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