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Old June 12th 06, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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In case you are the last person in the known universe to have heard this,
Vista has been released. No, don't run out to Best Buy or Circuit City, you
won't find it there. But Beta 2 (build 5384) is in "public" Beta, meaning
that soon billions of computer users worldwide will be using Vista. (say by
mid-July of this year, 2006)

I've installed it on two different computer systems. Before installation, I
ran the upgrade advisor downloaded from Microsoft. Both systems passed,
with one minor exception. System 1 didn't have enough hard drive space.
That was solved easily by re-partitioning the hard drive. ODDLY, the
upgrade advisor ignored a few hard drives on that system with several
HUNDREDS OF GB OF FREE SPACE and told me that I didn't have enough space to
install Vista because drive C: only had about 10GB free, at the time.
But like I said, a quick re-partition freed up about 30GB of free space, and
then the upgrade advisor gave the green light to both systems.

System one was a total disaster. Oh the installation of Vista went
perfectly, no glitches at all. But then I learned the hard way that there
is a quite common security "feature" in Vista that prevents people from
logging in with valid user names and passwords on many systems. The way it
works is this: You click your user name, type your valid password, see
logging in, loading personal settings, logging out, and you are back to the
login screen. The workaround is to log in using the same user name/password
combo in SAFE MODE. (which of course is crap)

System two wasn't much better. Oh, the installation of Vista went OK. At
least I got a working system, kind of. The upgrade advisor failed to
mention that my very common nvidia chipset (6600, no letters following it)
video card wasn't supported by Vista. (oooooops!!!). Oh it had video, but
it was very choppy. Moving the mouse would cause the whole fricking screen
to move (did I mention I have an LCD monitor?). I was getting seasick just
trying to figure out how to fix it. Luckily, nvidia had beta drivers
available to fix that problem. Other problems were harder to work around.
Like my firewall which I'd read was Vista compatible wasn't. I'm still
looking for a compatible firewall. And I had to change antivirus programs.
Luckily I found avast!, as a temporary solution. Then I discovered
Incredimail is not Vista compatible. That's fine with me, but my wife won't
use anything else for e-mail, so I had to downgrade to Windows XP again.

Thank God for Acronis True Image. Had both machines back to Windows XP with
all software installed and fully configured in less than half an hour total
for both systems. Luckily I'd imaged both C: drives before I started the
Vista thing.

I think Vista is going to be great someday. Note the someday. I'm guessing
2010 or so, it will be running great. If you think your hardware is ready
for it though, think again. It is REALLY power-hungry. I'm talking the OS
only. Forget Microsoft recommendations, try the following:

200GB hard drive (well, 30GB or so is needed, but you need room for apps,
data files, etc. also), 10K minimum RPM, 16MB cache. Otherwise, it will
take all day to install.
Geforce 6600 or later chipset video card with 256MB or more of RAM. Graphic
intensive OS, just like running a GAME constantly.
2GB of RAM MINIMUM. Again, this OS is just like running a game constantly.
DUAL-CORE processor with minimum 3GHz clock speed (not to be confused with
speed rating). The 3GHz because it's like running a game constantly. The
dual-core because Microsoft says so.
Dual layer DVD burner. You need to back up the OS disk, which is on DVD
media. If you buy a DVD drive, it better be dual layer.

But if you've got the hardware, you will probably like the OS, when the bugs
are worked out. It does a lot of unnecessary hand-holding, but once the
hand-holding is turned off, it's a darn nice OS. The Aero interface alone
is worth the upgrade. IMHO But the non-expanding start menu and gadgets
area are nice, also. -Dave











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Old June 12th 06, 09:51 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Actually, the final product will have about 6 different marketing levels.
They are listed he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista

You are probably getting the full blown edition with the beta.

-g


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Old June 12th 06, 10:03 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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I have a top box. The video card alone is a BFG GF7900GTO
.... and I can tell that Vista is using every resource it possibly
can. The install is going fairly well, but F-secure antivirus
bluescreened it, and I had to roll back and uninstall it. Even
then I could tell that some damage to the OS had occurred.
The side bar was darker for one ?? Right now, I'm installing
a bunch of apps that run well under XP:
MS Office Pro
Adobe 7
EZ Antivirus .. which is corrupting, and I'm in que to the tech.
Several engineering apps .. EES, TK Solver, AutoCAD.
EES is an oldie .. and will only run as a W2k - 256 color app.

Vista would not ID my modem, so I'm going to force XP driver.
The nForce4 sound driver worked fine. Network is fine.

Also, like Mike saw .. Vista can't partition or format a drive
correctly to save its ass. I partitioned the 160 gig SATA drive
to install Vista on a 60 gig partition .. .leaving 100 gigs not
partitioned. Vista promptly installed itself on the 100 gig
partition, and ignored the 60 gig. ????????

Later .. if AutoCAD works .. I'm going to install a few games,
and run game benchmarks to compare against same in XP Pro

johns

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Old June 13th 06, 12:50 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Shove it up your arse.


I hate summer. You brats should stay in school and
never be allowed out the door without parental supervision.
And my video card is better than yours.

johns

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Old June 13th 06, 12:54 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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AutoCAD installed fine, but would not start at all. Heh!
3dMark2001 under MS driver about 18,200
under nVidia 64 bit driver about 18,900
switched to Classic Desktop about 19,100

Same benchmark on other hard drive in box which has
WinXP Pro .... about 27,000

AquaMark would not start at all under Vista.

Printers installed but then complained about drivers.

johns

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Old June 13th 06, 01:58 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Have to agree with Mike. Vista is not ready at all.
Every other program or game I installed failed in
some way. Syberia II had poor stuttering sound.
The hard drive is running constantly. Far Cry
stutters because the hard drive is turned on
constantly. CoD2 same problem .. video looks
fine, but stutters. All of these programs run great
on the other hard drive on this same computer.
I'm just switching the SATA power and data
cables between them, so they are in the same
configuration. Vista is not even at a respectable
Beta-level yet. It will never make it to the desktop
by November. More like November 07.

johns

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Old June 13th 06, 03:06 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Mike T. writes:

In case you are the last person in the known universe to have heard this,
Vista has been released. No, don't run out to Best Buy or Circuit City, you
won't find it there. But Beta 2 (build 5384) is in "public" Beta, meaning
that soon billions of computer users worldwide will be using Vista.


Billions?

I've installed it on two different computer systems.


You must have a lot of free time on your hands. And I presume you
either have more than two computers, or you don't run any production
on your systems.

Thank God for Acronis True Image. Had both machines back to Windows XP with
all software installed and fully configured in less than half an hour total
for both systems. Luckily I'd imaged both C: drives before I started the
Vista thing.


As long as you have backups, you're always safe.

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Old June 13th 06, 04:53 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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I won't even read the rest of this trail:
if you did not by now understand that 'C:' is 'IT', then just drop it, or
use Linux.

Mike

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:18:38 -0400, Mike T. wrote:

In case you are the last person in the known universe to have heard this,
Vista has been released. No, don't run out to Best Buy or Circuit City,
you won't find it there. But Beta 2 (build 5384) is in "public" Beta,
meaning that soon billions of computer users worldwide will be using
Vista. (say by mid-July of this year, 2006)

I've installed it on two different computer systems. Before installation,
I ran the upgrade advisor downloaded from Microsoft. Both systems passed,
with one minor exception. System 1 didn't have enough hard drive space.
That was solved easily by re-partitioning the hard drive. ODDLY, the
upgrade advisor ignored a few hard drives on that system with several
HUNDREDS OF GB OF FREE SPACE and told me that I didn't have enough space
to install Vista because drive C: only had about 10GB free, at the time.
But like I said, a quick re-partition freed up about 30GB of free
space, and then the upgrade advisor gave the green light to both systems.

System one was a total disaster. Oh the installation of Vista went
perfectly, no glitches at all. But then I learned the hard way that there
is a quite common security "feature" in Vista that prevents people from
logging in with valid user names and passwords on many systems. The way
it works is this: You click your user name, type your valid password, see
logging in, loading personal settings, logging out, and you are back to
the login screen. The workaround is to log in using the same user
name/password combo in SAFE MODE. (which of course is crap)

System two wasn't much better. Oh, the installation of Vista went OK. At
least I got a working system, kind of. The upgrade advisor failed to
mention that my very common nvidia chipset (6600, no letters following it)
video card wasn't supported by Vista. (oooooops!!!). Oh it had video,
but it was very choppy. Moving the mouse would cause the whole fricking
screen to move (did I mention I have an LCD monitor?). I was getting
seasick just trying to figure out how to fix it. Luckily, nvidia had beta
drivers available to fix that problem. Other problems were harder to work
around. Like my firewall which I'd read was Vista compatible wasn't. I'm
still looking for a compatible firewall. And I had to change antivirus
programs. Luckily I found avast!, as a temporary solution. Then I
discovered Incredimail is not Vista compatible. That's fine with me, but
my wife won't use anything else for e-mail, so I had to downgrade to
Windows XP again.

Thank God for Acronis True Image. Had both machines back to Windows XP
with all software installed and fully configured in less than half an hour
total for both systems. Luckily I'd imaged both C: drives before I
started the Vista thing.

I think Vista is going to be great someday. Note the someday. I'm
guessing 2010 or so, it will be running great. If you think your hardware
is ready for it though, think again. It is REALLY power-hungry. I'm
talking the OS only. Forget Microsoft recommendations, try the following:

200GB hard drive (well, 30GB or so is needed, but you need room for apps,
data files, etc. also), 10K minimum RPM, 16MB cache. Otherwise, it will
take all day to install.
Geforce 6600 or later chipset video card with 256MB or more of RAM.
Graphic intensive OS, just like running a GAME constantly. 2GB of RAM
MINIMUM. Again, this OS is just like running a game constantly. DUAL-CORE
processor with minimum 3GHz clock speed (not to be confused with speed
rating). The 3GHz because it's like running a game constantly. The
dual-core because Microsoft says so.
Dual layer DVD burner. You need to back up the OS disk, which is on DVD
media. If you buy a DVD drive, it better be dual layer.

But if you've got the hardware, you will probably like the OS, when the
bugs are worked out. It does a lot of unnecessary hand-holding, but once
the hand-holding is turned off, it's a darn nice OS. The Aero interface
alone is worth the upgrade. IMHO But the non-expanding start menu and
gadgets area are nice, also. -Dave


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Old June 13th 06, 05:17 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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I bought win xp 64bit edition and still nothing work on it. So vista will bi excellent on the end of 2008 or even later on.

Boba Vankufer

"Mike T." wrote in message reenews.net...
In case you are the last person in the known universe to have heard this,
Vista has been released. No, don't run out to Best Buy or Circuit City, you
won't find it there. But Beta 2 (build 5384) is in "public" Beta, meaning
that soon billions of computer users worldwide will be using Vista. (say by
mid-July of this year, 2006)

I've installed it on two different computer systems. Before installation, I
ran the upgrade advisor downloaded from Microsoft. Both systems passed,
with one minor exception. System 1 didn't have enough hard drive space.
That was solved easily by re-partitioning the hard drive. ODDLY, the
upgrade advisor ignored a few hard drives on that system with several
HUNDREDS OF GB OF FREE SPACE and told me that I didn't have enough space to
install Vista because drive C: only had about 10GB free, at the time.
But like I said, a quick re-partition freed up about 30GB of free space, and
then the upgrade advisor gave the green light to both systems.

System one was a total disaster. Oh the installation of Vista went
perfectly, no glitches at all. But then I learned the hard way that there
is a quite common security "feature" in Vista that prevents people from
logging in with valid user names and passwords on many systems. The way it
works is this: You click your user name, type your valid password, see
logging in, loading personal settings, logging out, and you are back to the
login screen. The workaround is to log in using the same user name/password
combo in SAFE MODE. (which of course is crap)

System two wasn't much better. Oh, the installation of Vista went OK. At
least I got a working system, kind of. The upgrade advisor failed to
mention that my very common nvidia chipset (6600, no letters following it)
video card wasn't supported by Vista. (oooooops!!!). Oh it had video, but
it was very choppy. Moving the mouse would cause the whole fricking screen
to move (did I mention I have an LCD monitor?). I was getting seasick just
trying to figure out how to fix it. Luckily, nvidia had beta drivers
available to fix that problem. Other problems were harder to work around.
Like my firewall which I'd read was Vista compatible wasn't. I'm still
looking for a compatible firewall. And I had to change antivirus programs.
Luckily I found avast!, as a temporary solution. Then I discovered
Incredimail is not Vista compatible. That's fine with me, but my wife won't
use anything else for e-mail, so I had to downgrade to Windows XP again.

Thank God for Acronis True Image. Had both machines back to Windows XP with
all software installed and fully configured in less than half an hour total
for both systems. Luckily I'd imaged both C: drives before I started the
Vista thing.

I think Vista is going to be great someday. Note the someday. I'm guessing
2010 or so, it will be running great. If you think your hardware is ready
for it though, think again. It is REALLY power-hungry. I'm talking the OS
only. Forget Microsoft recommendations, try the following:

200GB hard drive (well, 30GB or so is needed, but you need room for apps,
data files, etc. also), 10K minimum RPM, 16MB cache. Otherwise, it will
take all day to install.
Geforce 6600 or later chipset video card with 256MB or more of RAM. Graphic
intensive OS, just like running a GAME constantly.
2GB of RAM MINIMUM. Again, this OS is just like running a game constantly.
DUAL-CORE processor with minimum 3GHz clock speed (not to be confused with
speed rating). The 3GHz because it's like running a game constantly. The
dual-core because Microsoft says so.
Dual layer DVD burner. You need to back up the OS disk, which is on DVD
media. If you buy a DVD drive, it better be dual layer.

But if you've got the hardware, you will probably like the OS, when the bugs
are worked out. It does a lot of unnecessary hand-holding, but once the
hand-holding is turned off, it's a darn nice OS. The Aero interface alone
is worth the upgrade. IMHO But the non-expanding start menu and gadgets
area are nice, also. -Dave











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Old June 13th 06, 01:05 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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"johns" wrote in message
oups.com...

Have to agree with Mike. Vista is not ready at all.
Every other program or game I installed failed in
some way. Syberia II had poor stuttering sound.
The hard drive is running constantly. Far Cry
stutters because the hard drive is turned on
constantly. CoD2 same problem .. video looks
fine, but stutters.


Saw something similar with the Microsoft video drivers. See if there are
beta drivers available from the chipset manufacturer for your video card
(ati, nvidia). Ironically, the install went smoother on the system with the
ATI card. I'd read elsewhere that nvidia cards work better on Vista.
Ummmmm, well, not with the Microsoft drivers, they don't. -Dave


 




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