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The Chief wrote:
I didn't propose that anyone sue anyone else. The only point I've been trying to make is that 180'F is incredibly stupid for coffee. It exposes the customers - and the servers, for that matter - to the risk of unnecessarily severe burns when accidents happen as they inevitably will. And nobody has posted anything yet that suggests that there are any benefits to 180'F coffee that come close to justifying the risks. -- Reply to Do not remove anything. im in the food service business and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F so 180 is cold The incredibly stupid individuals are the ones trying to justify their own stupidity. The vast majority of comments posted to this thread have done nothing to demonstrate any logic or intelligence. They're only trying to justify their own ignorance and stupidity, and why they should blame someone else for their inability to take responsibility for their own actions! My mother, and other relatives, taught me when I was very young that hot things burn. So, no matter where I purchased a hot cup of coffee I was fully aware it had the capability to burn me and if I spilt it on myself! It was my fault if I did, not someone else's! Water boils at 212F or 100C. So, when you brew a pot of coffee at home the water that is run over the coffee grounds is initially 212F! Do you Not in this house : It wrecks the flavour. Apparently the ideal temp somewhere around 90C. test it and wait until it is 130F before you drink it? I don't! It would be like drinking **** water at that point. But, I don pour it on my lap either! You make it sound like it's a voluntary action. It might not be... Someone might knocks your elbow. Perhaps there's a small earthquake. Perhaps something falling displaces the cup into your lap. .... The list goes on ... Maybe your grip on the cup simply is not good enough... Watch people picking up super-hot beverages in disposable containers. Sometimes you will see their grip readjust rapidly (risking spillage) because their fingertips are getting burnt... That's just stupidity in action, too hot to drink, too hot to handle, and too damn hot as far as flavour goes. Cheers, Rupert |
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Locutus wrote:
I didn't propose that anyone sue anyone else. The only point I've been trying to make is that 180'F is incredibly stupid for coffee. It exposes the customers - and the servers, for that matter - to the risk of unnecessarily severe burns when accidents happen as they inevitably will. And nobody has posted anything yet that suggests that there are any benefits to 180'F coffee that come close to justifying the risks. -- Reply to Do not remove anything. im in the food service business and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F so 180 is cold Bull****. At 192'F you would be waiting until hell freezes over before the coffee was cool enough to drink. The fact of the matter is that just about every where you go the coffee is cool enough for at least small sips as soon as it is poured into your cup. -- Reply to Do not remove anything. |
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"Rob Stow" wrote in message news:37O_c.325298$gE.13907@pd7tw3no... Locutus wrote: I didn't propose that anyone sue anyone else. The only point I've been trying to make is that 180'F is incredibly stupid for coffee. It exposes the customers - and the servers, for that matter - to the risk of unnecessarily severe burns when accidents happen as they inevitably will. And nobody has posted anything yet that suggests that there are any benefits to 180'F coffee that come close to justifying the risks. -- Reply to Do not remove anything. im in the food service business and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F so 180 is cold Bull****. At 192'F you would be waiting until hell freezes over before the coffee was cool enough to drink. The fact of the matter is that just about every where you go the coffee is cool enough for at least small sips as soon as it is poured into your cup. go to starbucks and ask or go anywhere and ask you are clueless |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:54:44 +0100, Rupert Pigott wrote:
keith wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:03:38 +0000, Rob Stow wrote: keith wrote: On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:29:32 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips MyndPhlyp wrote: http://www.liberator.net/articles/Va...nsibility.html Very nice, but I wouldn't consider debridement to be required for "minor burns". Especially not on the vulva (ouch!) IMHO, Wikipedia is a bit more authoratative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case It _is_ an interesting question of responsibility: 1) coffee is customarily served at 150-160'F 2) McD coffee was deliberately served at 180-190'F (presumably for competitive advantage -- staying warm longer or to use cheaper coffee beans) Competative advantage? Perhaps competative pressure. A friend had a Dunkin' Donuts franchise and we were talking about this issue when it hit the presses. They were *required* by franchise agreement to keep their coffee at 180F +/- 3F. The corporate inspectors would show up unnanounced and measure the temperature. They were heavily fined if it was out-of-spec. Contrary to the claims in this thread 180F is not unusual for coffee. There is no excuse for coffee that hot. It will be interesting to see what happens if one of your friend's customers needs a skin graft after spilling his coffee. "I vas chust following orders" is not an acceptable excuse for blatant stupidity so I would expect your friend to be personally liable. 3) who is to blame for the resulting burns? The ass that put the cup in their lap. Dunno about you, but I'm smart enough not to get even 150F water near my johnson! You've never had an accident ? Nobody has ever spilled their coffee on you or caused you to spill yours on yourself ? Sure, but I don't *ASK* for it by putting a cup of hot water in my crotch just *waiting* for the pain. Good grief, think man! And 150 or 160 degrees or is no big deal You stick your dick in it! It's a big deal to me. I don't care if it's 150F or 180F, I'm not going to ask for such pain. Sure, I've spilled coffee on myself, but I don't put the damned cup between my legs! Perhaps you're that stupid, but I leaned hot water is *hot* when I was a wee child. Think about this : You've got your cup of superheated McD's coffee You really do like to *lie*, don't you Rupert. You know as well as I do that the coffee in question was in *no* way "superheated" (a term that is very well defined). 180F does not fit *any* definiton of "superheated". Hot, sure, but that's what the customer (*me*) demands. in one hand and you are getting into your car. Just as you sit down and you are carefully moving your superheated ^^^^^^^^^^^-- there's that lie again. cup of coffee to a place well away from your genitals some mother****er rear ends your parked car and you end up with this unnecessarily hot cup of coffee in your crotch anyways. ....and according to everythign you've written in the past six months, "it's George Bush's fault", eh? Sure you'd probably litigate against the careless driver, but if you had any sense at all you'd litigate against the ****ers who made coffee so hot that an incidient beyond your control boiled your ********. SPeak for yourself! I would no longer litigate against the driver, nor Mackie-D's as long as I was made whole. Litigation is for losers. It makes everyone poorer, other than the lawyers. Superficially that case did sound stupid, but when the details did actually emerge it appears McDs were being practically homicidal. I would expect this attitude from a slave to the state. Here in the US some of us ae trying to get people stand on their own feet. -- Keith |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:29:43 -0400, The Chief wrote:
I didn't propose that anyone sue anyone else. The only point I've been trying to make is that 180'F is incredibly stupid for coffee. It exposes the customers - and the servers, for that matter - to the risk of unnecessarily severe burns when accidents happen as they inevitably will. And nobody has posted anything yet that suggests that there are any benefits to 180'F coffee that come close to justifying the risks. -- Reply to Do not remove anything. im in the food service business and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F so 180 is cold The incredibly stupid individuals are the ones trying to justify their own stupidity. Blame *must* be placed. ...elsewhere! Honest people will accept the blame and assume the *responsibility* for their mistakes. Only the terminally stupid (and otherwise French) blame others for personal faults. The vast majority of comments posted to this thread have done nothing to demonstrate any logic or intelligence. They're only trying to justify their own ignorance and stupidity, and why they should blame someone else for their inability to take responsibility for their own actions! Agreed! Hot water burns! If you can't deal with it, get an iced latte from Dn' D. I'm just waiting for a frost-bite suit here. My mother, and other relatives, taught me when I was very young that hot things burn. So, no matter where I purchased a hot cup of coffee I was fully aware it had the capability to burn me and if I spilt it on myself! It was my fault if I did, not someone else's! Exactly. However the liberal poofs believe that there is no such thing as "personal responsibility", whether it be hot water, or raising children. Water boils at 212F or 100C. So, when you brew a pot of coffee at home the water that is run over the coffee grounds is initially 212F! Do you test it and wait until it is 130F before you drink it? I don't! It would be like drinking **** water at that point. But, I don pour it on my lap either! So, if 180F is incredibly stupid for coffee, then it must be Fahrenheit's fault for devising a temperature scale that indicated 212F was the boiling point of water! As I've said in may of these arguments; 180F is a *normal* serving temperature for coffee. Of course after this crap started we started seeing stickers on brewers such as "coffee served at hot temperatures". I think this says it all. ...the illiterate and the stupid. -- Keith |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:39:51 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips keith wrote: Certainly. I scream and curse *myself* for being so *stupid*. ...rather like I do when I mash my thimb with a hammer. I don't run out ans sue Stanleeey because they sold me a 20oz. hammer, when the "standard" hammer is 16oz. Ah, but when you bought that 20oz, there were almost certainly 16oz'ers present, and that 20oz may have even been called "heravyweight" or "hefty" or "supersized". There are at Mickie-D's too! They even sell 8-ox cups, for some strange and unkown reason! (it takes 16ox. to even wake up enough to taste the coffee). BTW, McD's coffee sucks. D-n-D's is barely drinkable. BTW, a 20oz faming hammer is rather standard at HomeDespot, even 24oz. I simply can't wait for John Edwards to figure out how dangerous these places really are! I'd have no problem if McD (and Dunkin' apparently at that time) were to say "We serve our coffee hotter than normal so you can enjoy it longer" or some other such warning that there was an unusual hazard. It's _hidden_ hazards that I decry. But he hazard is *not* hidden. I surely hope your mother didn't raise you to be stupid enough to put *any* coffee cup in your crotch. ...and I thought you to be the "reasonable man". -- Keith |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 06:00:55 +0000, Rob Stow wrote:
keith wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:03:38 +0000, Rob Stow wrote: Sure, but I don't *ASK* for it by putting a cup of hot water in my crotch just *waiting* for the pain. Good grief, think man! What the heck is this obsession with coffee and your crotch ? If you have to ask this question, you are *NOT* paying attention. GO read the thread (and links) again. I'm sure you'll figure it out the second time through. -- Keith |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:24:31 +0000, Rob Stow wrote:
Bull****. At 192'F you would be waiting until hell freezes over before the coffee was cool enough to drink. The fact of the matter is that just about every where you go the coffee is cool enough for at least small sips as soon as it is poured into your cup. Talking about BS, The few times I've drank coffee in th last 40years, I've always, and I mean always, had to put ice cubes in it to cool it down. Probably wouldn.t need to if I used cream or milk. But screw those people, serve it colder so when they add add cream and suger and stir it up it will be cold. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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keith wrote:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:54:44 +0100, Rupert Pigott wrote: [SNIP] Think about this : You've got your cup of superheated McD's coffee You really do like to *lie*, don't you Rupert. You know as well as I do It's called humour. I figure you're attacking it because you actually have no valid response to the core argument in this post. that the coffee in question was in *no* way "superheated" (a term that is very well defined). 180F does not fit *any* definiton of "superheated". Hot, sure, but that's what the customer (*me*) demands. in one hand and you are getting into your car. Just as you sit down and you are carefully moving your superheated ^^^^^^^^^^^-- there's that lie again. Oh blimey ! Humour isn't allowed by decree of Keith. cup of coffee to a place well away from your genitals some mother****er rear ends your parked car and you end up with this unnecessarily hot cup of coffee in your crotch anyways. ...and according to everythign you've written in the past six months, "it's George Bush's fault", eh? Jeez, that *is* desperate. You managed to combine a an ad hominem attack, non sequitur and a strawman all in one. I'm betting that yout post is entirely content free. Sure you'd probably litigate against the careless driver, but if you had any sense at all you'd litigate against the ****ers who made coffee so hot that an incidient beyond your control boiled your ********. SPeak for yourself! I would no longer litigate against the driver, nor Mackie-D's as long as I was made whole. Litigation is for losers. It makes everyone poorer, other than the lawyers. You must be the most tolerant driver I know. Most people take some kind of action when a collision occurs. Somehow I doubt you get out of your car and shake hands with them, then pay full whack for the repairs out of your own pocket. Superficially that case did sound stupid, but when the details did actually emerge it appears McDs were being practically homicidal. I would expect this attitude from a slave to the state. Here in the US some of us ae trying to get people stand on their own feet. I don't really know why you bothered making a pretence of posting a resopnse as you didn't tackle the argument I presented at all. The personal attacks you presented in place of any kind of rational argument were lame at best. I've heard better come from the lips of a 5 year old. Cheers, Rupert |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:17:11 +0100, Rupert Pigott wrote:
keith wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:54:44 +0100, Rupert Pigott wrote: [SNIP] Think about this : You've got your cup of superheated McD's coffee You really do like to *lie*, don't you Rupert. You know as well as I do It's called humour. I figure you're attacking it because you actually have no valid response to the core argument in this post. I guess you call a lie "humor", after you're caught. There was no humor there, not even quotation marks around "superheated". that the coffee in question was in *no* way "superheated" (a term that is very well defined). 180F does not fit *any* definiton of "superheated". Hot, sure, but that's what the customer (*me*) demands. in one hand and you are getting into your car. Just as you sit down and you are carefully moving your superheated ^^^^^^^^^^^-- there's that lie again. Oh blimey ! Humour isn't allowed by decree of Keith. ....another lie. cup of coffee to a place well away from your genitals some mother****er rear ends your parked car and you end up with this unnecessarily hot cup of coffee in your crotch anyways. ...and according to everythign you've written in the past six months, "it's George Bush's fault", eh? Jeez, that *is* desperate. You managed to combine a an ad hominem attack, non sequitur and a strawman all in one. I'm betting that yout post is entirely content free. Nope, just bringing up the recent posting history as evidence of a looser-leftie. Sure you'd probably litigate against the careless driver, but if you had any sense at all you'd litigate against the ****ers who made coffee so hot that an incidient beyond your control boiled your ********. SPeak for yourself! I would no longer litigate against the driver, nor Mackie-D's as long as I was made whole. Litigation is for losers. It makes everyone poorer, other than the lawyers. You must be the most tolerant driver I know. Most people take some kind of action when a collision occurs. Somehow I doubt you get out of your car and shake hands with them, then pay full whack for the repairs out of your own pocket. Nope, I do what all reasonable people do. Swap insurance cards and move on. ...no reason for road-rage. ...no reason to call in the ambulance-chasers. Superficially that case did sound stupid, but when the details did actually emerge it appears McDs were being practically homicidal. I would expect this attitude from a slave to the state. Here in the US some of us ae trying to get people stand on their own feet. I don't really know why you bothered making a pretence of posting a resopnse as you didn't tackle the argument I presented at all. The personal attacks you presented in place of any kind of rational argument were lame at best. I've heard better come from the lips of a 5 year old. My, you lefty-loosers do like to lie. -- Keith |
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