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"thoss" wrote in message


[...]

Ron, what happened to your recently-declared intention to bottom-post?

And edit extraneous cited material.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:50:25 GMT, measekite wrote in
et:

I had to scroll down to see what I was responding to but other can just
read this without scrolling and go on

....and do you ever go on ... ond on ... and on ... and on ... and on ...
and on ... and on ...

You are the person who has proposed and assumed that the behaviour of,
and therefore the people who take part in top posting, are "selfish and
inconsiderate" and you accuse me hyperbole?

There is no doubt that there are several, like yourself, who have a
"problem" with top posting, but that hardly makes it selfish,
inconsiderate, or "worth fighting over". The vast majority of people,
whether they have a preference or not, seem to have the basic decency
and logic to live with either form of message construction without using
bullying techniques to try to alter behaviour by suggesting not only
that a person who such a method is "selfish and inconsiderate" but even
further, that indeed a whole corporation should be boycotted on such a
basis. I can only imagine what other variations of human behaviour you
and others of similar thought find that repugnant as to dismiss or label.

At this point, I don't wish to engage further in your little war against
differences in the world. Although I consider bottom posting somewhat
inefficient, usually wasteful of time and effort, and somewhat illogical
in this type of communication, I have and continue to accept that some
people, perhaps even the majority, will do so, and I still respect and
value their contibutions without complaint for their posting style,
because it simply isn't a method for judging a person's worth nor is it
"worth fighting for" or over.

It is exactly the fact that people are so attached to their cultural
beliefs that they are "willing to fight for" these petty differences,
that makes the world as dangerous as it has become. It is the ability
to "sloganize" and quantify with such righteous indignation the
"correct" way of living that brings others into a battle they don't even
care about on a base level.

"Put an end to "selfish and inconsiderate behaviour"! Stop top posting
now! It is part of the general breakdown in civility and consideration
for others! It is worth fighting. Stop top posting now!"

If, after reading that (your own words, by the way) you are not either
ashamed of yourself, or do not realize the need to seek treatment, then
I'm sorry, but no amount of bottom posting is going to help, my friend.

Art


DRS wrote:
"Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
news:RQFEh.1143240$5R2.276193@pd7urf3no

DRS wrote:


[...]


I see top-posting and the like as part of a general breakdown in
civility and consideration for others. It is worth fighting.


OMG, civilization has rotted to its very core. Top posting is
responsible for global warming, war, and the decline of personkind.


No-one who has complained about top-posting has said it is the most
important thing in the world. Neither is it unimportant. Pointing out that
selfish and inconsiderate behaviour is selfish and inconsiderate is a mere
statement of fact. As usual, it is those so criticised who respond with
indignant hyperbole, deliberately overstating the case as a means of
belittlement since they have no cogent argument.

"thoss" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 Ron Baird wrote:

Art,

You have an amazing ability to judge people based on their words and how
they use them. It is readily apparent that you are a wordsmith as you have
an excellent command of the English language and the written word. I am
glad
to help all if I can. Thank you for your kindness.

Talk to you soon, Art,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company








Ron, what happened to your recently-declared intention to bottom-post?
--
Thoss

Greetings Thoss,

I repsonded to Art in the way he wanted and will continue to do so. For
others, as in this case, I will post at the bottom of the message by popular
request.

Talk to you soon, Thoss,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company

There was a cute story I read many years ago, which somehow has some
resonance here.

A mom was making a pot roast, and her young daughter, who took interest
in her mother's cooking, was watching and noticed that her mother always
cut the roast in two before placing it into the roaster and placing the
roaster into the oven.

She asked, "Mom, why do you always cut the roast and the turkey in half
before you put them into the roaster?"

The Mother, without even giving it a thought said, "Well, dear, my
mother always cooked it that way and it came out delicious, so I've
always followed that method."

However, the mother started thinking about the question that evening,
and wondered herself if there was some special reason that might make
the pot roast and turkey taste better by cutting them in half, so she
decided to ask her mother.

The following morning, she called her mother and asked, "Mom, I always
recall you cutting the roast and turkey in half before you roasted them,
do you remember what the purpose is for that?"

Her Mother replied, "Hmmm, let me see. Your know, I'm really not sure,
but your Grandma always did it, so I guess there must have been some
point. Maybe you can call her and ask, and let me know."

As soon as she got off the phone with her mother, she called her
Grandma. "Grandam, I was just speaking to my Mom, and I asked her why
she always cut the roast and turkey in half before putting them into the
roasting pan, and she couldn't remember why, but she said you used to do
it too, and perhaps you'd recall what the reason was behind that."

Grandma laughed a bit and then said, "Dear, the reason I cut the roast
and turkey in half was because the roasting pan I had wasn't big enough
to fit them whole, so I cut them to make them fit!"

Art


thoss wrote:

Ron, what happened to your recently-declared intention to bottom-post?

LOL, I bet Ron didn't know he had such prowess! Must be exhausting.

Oh, but I love self-righteous indignation. Are you so sure you speak for
"everybody else"?

Art

DRS wrote:

"Ron Baird" wrote in message
om

"DRS" wrote in message
...


[...]


Try rereading your own post in its entirety - a top-post on a
top-post with 6KB of extraneous cited material and no editting at
all - and try to tell me the reader can easily follow the flow of
the argument. It's a farrago.

HI Drs,

Yes, I guess I did top post, but Art seems to prefer it that way. So,
I repsonded in kind. I guess I can see your point. Thanks!


This is not a private email. This is Usenet. It is a public forum and
everything you post can be read by anybody and everybody, so if you top-post
because one person likes it that way you are screwing everybody else.

As long as you do NOT
Advertise
Sell or
Promote your company

I think you should Top Post and not play favorites.

Ron Baird wrote:
"thoss" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 Ron Baird wrote:


Art,

You have an amazing ability to judge people based on their words and how
they use them. It is readily apparent that you are a wordsmith as you have
an excellent command of the English language and the written word. I am
glad
to help all if I can. Thank you for your kindness.

Talk to you soon, Art,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company







Ron, what happened to your recently-declared intention to bottom-post?
--
Thoss


Greetings Thoss,

I repsonded to Art in the way he wanted and will continue to do so. For
others, as in this case, I will post at the bottom of the message by popular
request.

Talk to you soon, Thoss,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company

I believe in bottom-posting, but I am deliberately top-posting here
without any trimming so that, hopefully, you may see the error of your
ways.

You start the message below with "You are the person...". So,
naturally, I wanted to see who this person was. But his name was only
to be found way off the bottom of my screen. Had you bottom-posted, we
would have seen his name on our way to your reply. Just have a look at
the next paragraph (yours) and you will see what I mean.


On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Arthur Entlich wrote:

You are the person who has proposed and assumed that the behaviour of,
and therefore the people who take part in top posting, are "selfish and
inconsiderate" and you accuse me hyperbole?

There is no doubt that there are several, like yourself, who have a
"problem" with top posting, but that hardly makes it selfish,
inconsiderate, or "worth fighting over". The vast majority of people,
whether they have a preference or not, seem to have the basic decency
and logic to live with either form of message construction without using
bullying techniques to try to alter behaviour by suggesting not only
that a person who such a method is "selfish and inconsiderate" but even
further, that indeed a whole corporation should be boycotted on such a
basis. I can only imagine what other variations of human behaviour you
and others of similar thought find that repugnant as to dismiss or label.

At this point, I don't wish to engage further in your little war against
differences in the world. Although I consider bottom posting somewhat
inefficient, usually wasteful of time and effort, and somewhat illogical
in this type of communication, I have and continue to accept that some
people, perhaps even the majority, will do so, and I still respect and
value their contibutions without complaint for their posting style,
because it simply isn't a method for judging a person's worth nor is it
"worth fighting for" or over.

It is exactly the fact that people are so attached to their cultural
beliefs that they are "willing to fight for" these petty differences,
that makes the world as dangerous as it has become. It is the ability
to "sloganize" and quantify with such righteous indignation the
"correct" way of living that brings others into a battle they don't even
care about on a base level.

"Put an end to "selfish and inconsiderate behaviour"! Stop top posting
now! It is part of the general breakdown in civility and consideration
for others! It is worth fighting. Stop top posting now!"

If, after reading that (your own words, by the way) you are not either
ashamed of yourself, or do not realize the need to seek treatment, then
I'm sorry, but no amount of bottom posting is going to help, my friend.

Art


DRS wrote:
"Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
news:RQFEh.1143240$5R2.276193@pd7urf3no

DRS wrote:


[...]


I see top-posting and the like as part of a general breakdown in
civility and consideration for others. It is worth fighting.


OMG, civilization has rotted to its very core. Top posting is
responsible for global warming, war, and the decline of personkind.


No-one who has complained about top-posting has said it is the most
important thing in the world. Neither is it unimportant. Pointing out that
selfish and inconsiderate behaviour is selfish and inconsiderate is a mere
statement of fact. As usual, it is those so criticised who respond with
indignant hyperbole, deliberately overstating the case as a means of
belittlement since they have no cogent argument.



--
Thoss

Art - You'd better watch out for the newsgroup Taliban - I understand there
is a Fatwa on all top posters!
(posted top AND bottom to satisfy all readers)

"Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
newsTXEh.1154351$R63.1129798@pd7urf1no...
You are the person who has proposed and assumed that the behaviour of, and
therefore the people who take part in top posting, are "selfish and
inconsiderate" and you accuse me hyperbole?

There is no doubt that there are several, like yourself, who have a
"problem" with top posting, but that hardly makes it selfish,
inconsiderate, or "worth fighting over". The vast majority of people,
whether they have a preference or not, seem to have the basic decency and
logic to live with either form of message construction without using
bullying techniques to try to alter behaviour by suggesting not only that
a person who such a method is "selfish and inconsiderate" but even
further, that indeed a whole corporation should be boycotted on such a
basis. I can only imagine what other variations of human behaviour you
and others of similar thought find that repugnant as to dismiss or label.

At this point, I don't wish to engage further in your little war against
differences in the world. Although I consider bottom posting somewhat
inefficient, usually wasteful of time and effort, and somewhat illogical
in this type of communication, I have and continue to accept that some
people, perhaps even the majority, will do so, and I still respect and
value their contibutions without complaint for their posting style,
because it simply isn't a method for judging a person's worth nor is it
"worth fighting for" or over.

It is exactly the fact that people are so attached to their cultural
beliefs that they are "willing to fight for" these petty differences, that
makes the world as dangerous as it has become. It is the ability to
"sloganize" and quantify with such righteous indignation the "correct" way
of living that brings others into a battle they don't even care about on a
base level.

"Put an end to "selfish and inconsiderate behaviour"! Stop top posting
now! It is part of the general breakdown in civility and consideration
for others! It is worth fighting. Stop top posting now!"

If, after reading that (your own words, by the way) you are not either
ashamed of yourself, or do not realize the need to seek treatment, then
I'm sorry, but no amount of bottom posting is going to help, my friend.

Art

(snip)
Art - You'd better watch out for the newsgroup Taliban - I understand there
is a Fatwa on all top posters!
(posted top AND bottom to satisfy all readers)

I do follow posts and the fact you Top Posted allowed me to read your
shpeel without having to scroll. That was good.

thoss wrote:
I believe in bottom-posting, but I am deliberately top-posting here
without any trimming so that, hopefully, you may see the error of your
ways.

You start the message below with "You are the person...". So,
naturally, I wanted to see who this person was. But his name was only
to be found way off the bottom of my screen. Had you bottom-posted, we
would have seen his name on our way to your reply. Just have a look at
the next paragraph (yours) and you will see what I mean.


On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Arthur Entlich wrote:


You are the person who has proposed and assumed that the behaviour of,
and therefore the people who take part in top posting, are "selfish and
inconsiderate" and you accuse me hyperbole?

There is no doubt that there are several, like yourself, who have a
"problem" with top posting, but that hardly makes it selfish,
inconsiderate, or "worth fighting over". The vast majority of people,
whether they have a preference or not, seem to have the basic decency
and logic to live with either form of message construction without using
bullying techniques to try to alter behaviour by suggesting not only
that a person who such a method is "selfish and inconsiderate" but even
further, that indeed a whole corporation should be boycotted on such a
basis. I can only imagine what other variations of human behaviour you
and others of similar thought find that repugnant as to dismiss or label.

At this point, I don't wish to engage further in your little war against
differences in the world. Although I consider bottom posting somewhat
inefficient, usually wasteful of time and effort, and somewhat illogical
in this type of communication, I have and continue to accept that some
people, perhaps even the majority, will do so, and I still respect and
value their contibutions without complaint for their posting style,
because it simply isn't a method for judging a person's worth nor is it
"worth fighting for" or over.

It is exactly the fact that people are so attached to their cultural
beliefs that they are "willing to fight for" these petty differences,
that makes the world as dangerous as it has become. It is the ability
to "sloganize" and quantify with such righteous indignation the
"correct" way of living that brings others into a battle they don't even
care about on a base level.

"Put an end to "selfish and inconsiderate behaviour"! Stop top posting
now! It is part of the general breakdown in civility and consideration
for others! It is worth fighting. Stop top posting now!"

If, after reading that (your own words, by the way) you are not either
ashamed of yourself, or do not realize the need to seek treatment, then
I'm sorry, but no amount of bottom posting is going to help, my friend.

Art


DRS wrote:

"Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
news:RQFEh.1143240$5R2.276193@pd7urf3no


DRS wrote:

[...]



I see top-posting and the like as part of a general breakdown in
civility and consideration for others. It is worth fighting.


OMG, civilization has rotted to its very core. Top posting is
responsible for global warming, war, and the decline of personkind.

No-one who has complained about top-posting has said it is the most
important thing in the world. Neither is it unimportant. Pointing out that
selfish and inconsiderate behaviour is selfish and inconsiderate is a mere
statement of fact. As usual, it is those so criticised who respond with
indignant hyperbole, deliberately overstating the case as a means of
belittlement since they have no cogent argument.