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8KNS high CPU temperatures
I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an
old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. |
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Forgot to mention: A64 3000+ Winchester. Bios F9 (Oct 2005).
"John McDonnell" wrote in message news:FnNhf.975$4r.179@trndny01... I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:46:45 GMT, "John McDonnell"
wrote: I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. Sounds like it could be DirectX or an AGP x2/x4 compatibility problem. I have a 7400S-L which will only work with x4 or x8.I am sure your TNT is x2 or x1. x2 runs at 3.3v, x4 and up at 1.6v. Check that your board is dual standard. Either way, I am sure you will find the card is not compatible, most likely with DX9. You can find a DX9 AGP x8 card cheap, but if you want to keep your TNT, try an older version of DirectX |
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8KNS high CPU temperatures
"John McDonnell" wrote in message news%Nhf.30$xQ3.12@trndny04... Forgot to mention: A64 3000+ Winchester. Bios F9 (Oct 2005). "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:FnNhf.975$4r.179@trndny01... I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. I think actually bumping the core voltage UP a notch is better than lowering it for keeping it running cooler. Is your CPU fan running? It just sounds to me like the cooling solution isn't enough for what you're doing with that cpu. you mentioned replacing the heatsink, what about the CPU fan? And, are you SURE that the heat sink is mounted *flat* on top of the CPU? Something seems to not be doing it's job. I don't think it's a flakey A64 3000+ or TNT2 Ultra. When the CPU is stressed under load, that heatsink and fan have to take the heat the cpu gives off away. That's not happening, apparently. Poor contact of hs to cpu, poor air circulation in the case, fan and/or hs inadequate or faulty fan. McG. |
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Thanks for the reply. Yes, standard thinking says to raise the CPU voltage
and not lower it. The normal CPU voltage for this motherboard is 1.40. I had first tried a setting of 1.45. After restart, I went into the Bios setup and brought up the PC Health screen and watched it for a while. The temperature went up quickly 1 degree at a time from 38 to 65, at which time I shut down and set it back to 1.32. The PC Health screen then stayed between 35 and 40 for quite a while. If I use the default of 1.40, the CPU temperature will still rise to the danger level, but much more slowly. The heatsink is definitely seated OK, the Arctic Silver was applied properly, and the fan runs steady about 3000 rpm. I'm pretty experienced in that area. The circulation in the case is not the best, but removing the side panel makes very little difference. Running non-graphical apps causes no problems. While writing this email I have watched the temperature monitor slowly drop from its initial 38 to its present 34. But if I should start up any kind of game, it will slowly creep up to past 60, at which time I will shut down. I am still suspicious of the TNT2 board. It is an older model - Diamond Viper TNT32 Ultra (one of the hottest boards around when I purchased it in early 1999) with a jumper for setting AGP 2X / 4X. I say this because the system operates trouble-free except when running graphics, even kiddie games. I built this box about six months ago and used it regularly (internet browsing, VPN, mail, worksheets, etc.) with no problem. A couple of weeks ago I loaded some Hasbro kiddie games for my grandson and that's when things began to happen. "McGrandpa" wrote in message ... "John McDonnell" wrote in message news%Nhf.30$xQ3.12@trndny04... Forgot to mention: A64 3000+ Winchester. Bios F9 (Oct 2005). "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:FnNhf.975$4r.179@trndny01... I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. I think actually bumping the core voltage UP a notch is better than lowering it for keeping it running cooler. Is your CPU fan running? It just sounds to me like the cooling solution isn't enough for what you're doing with that cpu. you mentioned replacing the heatsink, what about the CPU fan? And, are you SURE that the heat sink is mounted *flat* on top of the CPU? Something seems to not be doing it's job. I don't think it's a flakey A64 3000+ or TNT2 Ultra. When the CPU is stressed under load, that heatsink and fan have to take the heat the cpu gives off away. That's not happening, apparently. Poor contact of hs to cpu, poor air circulation in the case, fan and/or hs inadequate or faulty fan. McG. |
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"John McDonnell" wrote in message
news:vPgkf.2357$1y.2302@trnddc07... "McGrandpa" wrote in message ... "John McDonnell" wrote in message news%Nhf.30$xQ3.12@trndny04... Forgot to mention: A64 3000+ Winchester. Bios F9 (Oct 2005). "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:FnNhf.975$4r.179@trndny01... John said: I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. McG. said: I think actually bumping the core voltage UP a notch is better than lowering it for keeping it running cooler. Is your CPU fan running? It just sounds to me like the cooling solution isn't enough for what you're doing with that cpu. you mentioned replacing the heatsink, what about the CPU fan? And, are you SURE that the heat sink is mounted *flat* on top of the CPU? Something seems to not be doing it's job. I don't think it's a flakey A64 3000+ or TNT2 Ultra. When the CPU is stressed under load, that heatsink and fan have to take the heat the cpu gives off away. That's not happening, apparently. Poor contact of hs to cpu, poor air circulation in the case, fan and/or hs inadequate or faulty fan. McG. John said: Thanks for the reply. Yes, standard thinking says to raise the CPU voltage and not lower it. The normal CPU voltage for this motherboard is 1.40. I had first tried a setting of 1.45. After restart, I went into the Bios setup and brought up the PC Health screen and watched it for a while. The temperature went up quickly 1 degree at a time from 38 to 65, at which time I shut down and set it back to 1.32. The PC Health screen then stayed between 35 and 40 for quite a while. If I use the default of 1.40, the CPU temperature will still rise to the danger level, but much more slowly. The heatsink is definitely seated OK, the Arctic Silver was applied properly, and the fan runs steady about 3000 rpm. I'm pretty experienced in that area. The circulation in the case is not the best, but removing the side panel makes very little difference. Running non-graphical apps causes no problems. While writing this email I have watched the temperature monitor slowly drop from its initial 38 to its present 34. But if I should start up any kind of game, it will slowly creep up to past 60, at which time I will shut down. I am still suspicious of the TNT2 board. It is an older model - Diamond Viper TNT32 Ultra (one of the hottest boards around when I purchased it in early 1999) with a jumper for setting AGP 2X / 4X. I say this because the system operates trouble-free except when running graphics, even kiddie games. I built this box about six months ago and used it regularly (internet browsing, VPN, mail, worksheets, etc.) with no problem. A couple of weeks ago I loaded some Hasbro kiddie games for my grandson and that's when things began to happen. McG. says: Heh! You DID say "Viper TnT-32 Ultra" That was the immediate predecessor to the Diamond Viper V770 Ultra, an AGP 2x/4x TnT2 Ultra 32 meg card. Which I bought on July 1, 2001 for myself. My 47th birthday That card is still running fine in an ABit BF6 (440BX) motherboard with a P3-450 and 768 megs ram, which I gave to my youngest daughter about four years ago. eh Hem... I digress You're right John, your card is an oldie, but should be a goodie. With Diamonds reputation being worse than ATI's old one with drivers and stability, I'm astounded at the utter reliability of these two ancient cards. Neither have a temp sensor. But you can use the auxilliary thermal diode that comes with many mobos to give you some indication of what's going on with the GPU. You have clear indication of what's going on with your CPU temp wise. I think I can see what's driving your thinking to the GPU. Sitting down here in Houston with a different perspective, I can't see the video card causing a hardware proplem to so affect the CPU in such a direct manner. Is this your mobo? The GA-K8NS? http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard...ec_GA-K8NS.htm Socket 754 with an s754 A64-3000+? Ok, I don't see or recall reading anything at all problematic with this mobo or the CPU, even with standard retail boxed hs/fan. Makes for a nice little rig, decent gamer too. Some folks doing some oc'ing with it. Ok, I see a couple possibilities to look at. 1) My V770Ultra has a single jumper on it to force the 1x/2x OR 4x for the AGP. Modern motherboards like ours might be able to run that card at AGP 2X BUT that voltage is 3.3v and your mobo specs say 1.5v only. It would have to be AGP4X period. Hm. Ok. So you have an old vid card that any of the 3D games are beating up on. Ok, that still should not drive the CPU temp up. What could drive it up would be the CPU doing most of the graphics intensive work that a newer vid card would normally do itself under DirectX 7 or higher. The CPU is heavy loaded and undercooled. That's what I think is going on. Perhaps a more modern video card would help a little bit, but where things get real CPU intensive the temp is still going to go up. Only ways to test this would be another newer type video card and then a better hs/fan than you have on the CPU now. It's not a 'little' problem, not when your CPU temp goes all the way to core shutdown. Hope something here helps! McG. |
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Once again I really appreciate the advice. The mainboard is the
K8NS-939-Ultra (nForce3 ultra). The video card is the Diamond 770 Ultra TNT32. The CPU is a 3000+ Winchester. I have ordered a Rosewill nVidia 6200 256mb AGP card from Newegg. I will certainly report back the results to the group. As long as I run no 3D apps and set the Vcore to 1.325, the system is fine. But my grandson likes his Hasbro et al games. Most recently he was playing Monopoly (not the most fast-moving game around, but 3D nonetheless) and the system shut down and would not come back up. I got the loud single beep every so many seconds. According to the manual, this indicates a dram issue. As to whether this could be a video dram issue and not a mainboard dram issue, the book didn't say either way. And it's no good to leave the box shut down for a short time and start it up again. It must be off for at least an hour. Very strange. I have to eliminate components one at a time - improper seating of boards and/or chips, video incompatibility, ram failure, insufficient cooling, defective CPU, motherboard failure. And I'm starting with the video card. Thanks, John "McGrandpa" wrote in message ... "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:vPgkf.2357$1y.2302@trnddc07... "McGrandpa" wrote in message ... "John McDonnell" wrote in message news%Nhf.30$xQ3.12@trndny04... Forgot to mention: A64 3000+ Winchester. Bios F9 (Oct 2005). "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:FnNhf.975$4r.179@trndny01... John said: I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. McG. said: I think actually bumping the core voltage UP a notch is better than lowering it for keeping it running cooler. Is your CPU fan running? It just sounds to me like the cooling solution isn't enough for what you're doing with that cpu. you mentioned replacing the heatsink, what about the CPU fan? And, are you SURE that the heat sink is mounted *flat* on top of the CPU? Something seems to not be doing it's job. I don't think it's a flakey A64 3000+ or TNT2 Ultra. When the CPU is stressed under load, that heatsink and fan have to take the heat the cpu gives off away. That's not happening, apparently. Poor contact of hs to cpu, poor air circulation in the case, fan and/or hs inadequate or faulty fan. McG. John said: Thanks for the reply. Yes, standard thinking says to raise the CPU voltage and not lower it. The normal CPU voltage for this motherboard is 1.40. I had first tried a setting of 1.45. After restart, I went into the Bios setup and brought up the PC Health screen and watched it for a while. The temperature went up quickly 1 degree at a time from 38 to 65, at which time I shut down and set it back to 1.32. The PC Health screen then stayed between 35 and 40 for quite a while. If I use the default of 1.40, the CPU temperature will still rise to the danger level, but much more slowly. The heatsink is definitely seated OK, the Arctic Silver was applied properly, and the fan runs steady about 3000 rpm. I'm pretty experienced in that area. The circulation in the case is not the best, but removing the side panel makes very little difference. Running non-graphical apps causes no problems. While writing this email I have watched the temperature monitor slowly drop from its initial 38 to its present 34. But if I should start up any kind of game, it will slowly creep up to past 60, at which time I will shut down. I am still suspicious of the TNT2 board. It is an older model - Diamond Viper TNT32 Ultra (one of the hottest boards around when I purchased it in early 1999) with a jumper for setting AGP 2X / 4X. I say this because the system operates trouble-free except when running graphics, even kiddie games. I built this box about six months ago and used it regularly (internet browsing, VPN, mail, worksheets, etc.) with no problem. A couple of weeks ago I loaded some Hasbro kiddie games for my grandson and that's when things began to happen. McG. says: Heh! You DID say "Viper TnT-32 Ultra" That was the immediate predecessor to the Diamond Viper V770 Ultra, an AGP 2x/4x TnT2 Ultra 32 meg card. Which I bought on July 1, 2001 for myself. My 47th birthday That card is still running fine in an ABit BF6 (440BX) motherboard with a P3-450 and 768 megs ram, which I gave to my youngest daughter about four years ago. eh Hem... I digress You're right John, your card is an oldie, but should be a goodie. With Diamonds reputation being worse than ATI's old one with drivers and stability, I'm astounded at the utter reliability of these two ancient cards. Neither have a temp sensor. But you can use the auxilliary thermal diode that comes with many mobos to give you some indication of what's going on with the GPU. You have clear indication of what's going on with your CPU temp wise. I think I can see what's driving your thinking to the GPU. Sitting down here in Houston with a different perspective, I can't see the video card causing a hardware proplem to so affect the CPU in such a direct manner. Is this your mobo? The GA-K8NS? http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard...ec_GA-K8NS.htm Socket 754 with an s754 A64-3000+? Ok, I don't see or recall reading anything at all problematic with this mobo or the CPU, even with standard retail boxed hs/fan. Makes for a nice little rig, decent gamer too. Some folks doing some oc'ing with it. Ok, I see a couple possibilities to look at. 1) My V770Ultra has a single jumper on it to force the 1x/2x OR 4x for the AGP. Modern motherboards like ours might be able to run that card at AGP 2X BUT that voltage is 3.3v and your mobo specs say 1.5v only. It would have to be AGP4X period. Hm. Ok. So you have an old vid card that any of the 3D games are beating up on. Ok, that still should not drive the CPU temp up. What could drive it up would be the CPU doing most of the graphics intensive work that a newer vid card would normally do itself under DirectX 7 or higher. The CPU is heavy loaded and undercooled. That's what I think is going on. Perhaps a more modern video card would help a little bit, but where things get real CPU intensive the temp is still going to go up. Only ways to test this would be another newer type video card and then a better hs/fan than you have on the CPU now. It's not a 'little' problem, not when your CPU temp goes all the way to core shutdown. Hope something here helps! McG. |
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Yes, a series of long slow beeps is a problem with system memory. That
beeping is coming from your motherboard, and concerns the SDRam. Check something; have the side off the case, so when it does it again, shut the power switch off on the back of the computer (power supply rocker switch on back), then touch the back side of one of the modules. Hot? Like in noticeably hot? They *should* be barely warm. Almost cool. I've been playing aroud with 3 other older systems getting them running from old junk parts. I was checking that very thing on one of them. Seems I actually had a tiny fleck of paper down inside the dram slot. Cleaned that out and the modules are fine. Now. After reading a few things I gotta ask this one; what video driver version number are you running? If it's the 8x.xx forceware series, then you've run across one of the many unusual problems that have shown up with this brand new series. If you're using them, I suggest uninstalling them and then installing a driver set of older series (like 77.77) and seeing how the system behaves with that set. McG. "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:Wo4lf.1282$Oq3.688@trnddc05... Once again I really appreciate the advice. The mainboard is the K8NS-939-Ultra (nForce3 ultra). The video card is the Diamond 770 Ultra TNT32. The CPU is a 3000+ Winchester. I have ordered a Rosewill nVidia 6200 256mb AGP card from Newegg. I will certainly report back the results to the group. As long as I run no 3D apps and set the Vcore to 1.325, the system is fine. But my grandson likes his Hasbro et al games. Most recently he was playing Monopoly (not the most fast-moving game around, but 3D nonetheless) and the system shut down and would not come back up. I got the loud single beep every so many seconds. According to the manual, this indicates a dram issue. As to whether this could be a video dram issue and not a mainboard dram issue, the book didn't say either way. And it's no good to leave the box shut down for a short time and start it up again. It must be off for at least an hour. Very strange. I have to eliminate components one at a time - improper seating of boards and/or chips, video incompatibility, ram failure, insufficient cooling, defective CPU, motherboard failure. And I'm starting with the video card. Thanks, John "McGrandpa" wrote in message ... "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:vPgkf.2357$1y.2302@trnddc07... "McGrandpa" wrote in message ... "John McDonnell" wrote in message news%Nhf.30$xQ3.12@trndny04... Forgot to mention: A64 3000+ Winchester. Bios F9 (Oct 2005). "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:FnNhf.975$4r.179@trndny01... John said: I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. McG. said: I think actually bumping the core voltage UP a notch is better than lowering it for keeping it running cooler. Is your CPU fan running? It just sounds to me like the cooling solution isn't enough for what you're doing with that cpu. you mentioned replacing the heatsink, what about the CPU fan? And, are you SURE that the heat sink is mounted *flat* on top of the CPU? Something seems to not be doing it's job. I don't think it's a flakey A64 3000+ or TNT2 Ultra. When the CPU is stressed under load, that heatsink and fan have to take the heat the cpu gives off away. That's not happening, apparently. Poor contact of hs to cpu, poor air circulation in the case, fan and/or hs inadequate or faulty fan. McG. John said: Thanks for the reply. Yes, standard thinking says to raise the CPU voltage and not lower it. The normal CPU voltage for this motherboard is 1.40. I had first tried a setting of 1.45. After restart, I went into the Bios setup and brought up the PC Health screen and watched it for a while. The temperature went up quickly 1 degree at a time from 38 to 65, at which time I shut down and set it back to 1.32. The PC Health screen then stayed between 35 and 40 for quite a while. If I use the default of 1.40, the CPU temperature will still rise to the danger level, but much more slowly. The heatsink is definitely seated OK, the Arctic Silver was applied properly, and the fan runs steady about 3000 rpm. I'm pretty experienced in that area. The circulation in the case is not the best, but removing the side panel makes very little difference. Running non-graphical apps causes no problems. While writing this email I have watched the temperature monitor slowly drop from its initial 38 to its present 34. But if I should start up any kind of game, it will slowly creep up to past 60, at which time I will shut down. I am still suspicious of the TNT2 board. It is an older model - Diamond Viper TNT32 Ultra (one of the hottest boards around when I purchased it in early 1999) with a jumper for setting AGP 2X / 4X. I say this because the system operates trouble-free except when running graphics, even kiddie games. I built this box about six months ago and used it regularly (internet browsing, VPN, mail, worksheets, etc.) with no problem. A couple of weeks ago I loaded some Hasbro kiddie games for my grandson and that's when things began to happen. McG. says: Heh! You DID say "Viper TnT-32 Ultra" That was the immediate predecessor to the Diamond Viper V770 Ultra, an AGP 2x/4x TnT2 Ultra 32 meg card. Which I bought on July 1, 2001 for myself. My 47th birthday That card is still running fine in an ABit BF6 (440BX) motherboard with a P3-450 and 768 megs ram, which I gave to my youngest daughter about four years ago. eh Hem... I digress You're right John, your card is an oldie, but should be a goodie. With Diamonds reputation being worse than ATI's old one with drivers and stability, I'm astounded at the utter reliability of these two ancient cards. Neither have a temp sensor. But you can use the auxilliary thermal diode that comes with many mobos to give you some indication of what's going on with the GPU. You have clear indication of what's going on with your CPU temp wise. I think I can see what's driving your thinking to the GPU. Sitting down here in Houston with a different perspective, I can't see the video card causing a hardware proplem to so affect the CPU in such a direct manner. Is this your mobo? The GA-K8NS? http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard...ec_GA-K8NS.htm Socket 754 with an s754 A64-3000+? Ok, I don't see or recall reading anything at all problematic with this mobo or the CPU, even with standard retail boxed hs/fan. Makes for a nice little rig, decent gamer too. Some folks doing some oc'ing with it. Ok, I see a couple possibilities to look at. 1) My V770Ultra has a single jumper on it to force the 1x/2x OR 4x for the AGP. Modern motherboards like ours might be able to run that card at AGP 2X BUT that voltage is 3.3v and your mobo specs say 1.5v only. It would have to be AGP4X period. Hm. Ok. So you have an old vid card that any of the 3D games are beating up on. Ok, that still should not drive the CPU temp up. What could drive it up would be the CPU doing most of the graphics intensive work that a newer vid card would normally do itself under DirectX 7 or higher. The CPU is heavy loaded and undercooled. That's what I think is going on. Perhaps a more modern video card would help a little bit, but where things get real CPU intensive the temp is still going to go up. Only ways to test this would be another newer type video card and then a better hs/fan than you have on the CPU now. It's not a 'little' problem, not when your CPU temp goes all the way to core shutdown. Hope something here helps! McG. |
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8KNS high CPU temperatures - problem solved
I'm glad to hear about that concerning the CPU heating up being solved! The
temps you're listing sound very normal. I'll remember that glitch with the older vid cards in a new-ish mobo. McG. "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:IbJmf.11411$OK6.9832@trnddc03... Replacing the old Diamond Viper TNT32 Ultra with a new Rosewill GeForce 6200 has solved the heat problem. As for the dram beeps, I switched the two modules in the slots and (maybe because I seated them carefully) so far so good. The CPU temp (I set the vcore back to 1.40) stays from 28 to 32 in normal windows operation (email, internet, worksheets, word proc) and from 30 to 38 running a 3D game. Not bad. It looks like the old TNT32 made the CPU work extra hard during any 3D app. There was one other funny thing - Everest reported that "AGP was not enabled". With the new video board, that warning has disappeared. "John McDonnell" wrote in message news:FnNhf.975$4r.179@trndny01... I have a 8KNS and have no overclocking. It is a lightweight system with an old TNT32 Ultra AGP card. The ram is Crucual PC 3200 ECC running at DDR 400 dual channel. The temperatures are stable (38 to 42 C) until I do anything graphical. Then the temperature will go slowly up to the limit, which I set to 65 C. This happens with any kind of game, even the old Hasbro kid games. I have replaced the heatsink. I have used Arctic Silver regular and Ceramique. I have lowered the Vcore in stages down to its present 1.32. I have turned ECC on and off. The power supply is an Antec 350, plugged in to a Belkin 1200 AVR UPS. I can run for days and days, doing spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc - anything except a game of any kind (not including Solitaire, which runs trouble free). I think that the problem is due to one of three things: (1) flakey CPU, (2) faulty mainboard, (3) some kind of issue with the old Diamond TNT32 Ultra. If anybody has ever experienced anything similar and found a workaround, I would be most grateful in learning your solution. |
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