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Would an 8x AGP card work on a 2x AGP motherboard?
I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP.
I am want to upgrade by system, but would prefer to do it in stages (available cash constraints... haha) I will eventually be updating the following: Motherboard: Gigabyte S478 Intel 865G ATX A V L (800Mhz Bus) Processor: Pentium4 2.8Ghz S478 (800Mhz Bus) Memory: 512Mb PC3200 DDR RAM Graphics: Gainward Ti4800 128Mb DDR 8x AGP + FireWire Ideally I would like to start by upgrading the graphics card, but I'm not sure whether this is feasable... My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? I am happy to run with this step-back in performance until I can upgrade the rest of the components if this is possible because it'll mean that I can take advantage of other features of the card in the meantime (multi-monitor support etc) Thanks for any advice in advance! Dom |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:30:59 +0100, In this world we created "HamMan"
wrote : "JiNX" wrote in message ... I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP. I am want to upgrade by system, but would prefer to do it in stages (available cash constraints... haha) I will eventually be updating the following: Motherboard: Gigabyte S478 Intel 865G ATX A V L (800Mhz Bus) Processor: Pentium4 2.8Ghz S478 (800Mhz Bus) Memory: 512Mb PC3200 DDR RAM Graphics: Gainward Ti4800 128Mb DDR 8x AGP + FireWire Ideally I would like to start by upgrading the graphics card, but I'm not sure whether this is feasable... My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? I am happy to run with this step-back in performance until I can upgrade the rest of the components if this is possible because it'll mean that I can take advantage of other features of the card in the meantime (multi-monitor support etc) Thanks for any advice in advance! Dom As far as i'm aware, as long as the old motherboard is using 1.5v and not 3.3v the card should work - very slowly How slow? Is there any real advantage to AGP 8X cards? -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html |
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"HamMan" wrote in message ... "JiNX" wrote in message ... I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP. I am want to upgrade by system, but would prefer to do it in stages (available cash constraints... haha) I will eventually be updating the following: Motherboard: Gigabyte S478 Intel 865G ATX A V L (800Mhz Bus) Processor: Pentium4 2.8Ghz S478 (800Mhz Bus) Memory: 512Mb PC3200 DDR RAM Graphics: Gainward Ti4800 128Mb DDR 8x AGP + FireWire Ideally I would like to start by upgrading the graphics card, but I'm not sure whether this is feasable... My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? I am happy to run with this step-back in performance until I can upgrade the rest of the components if this is possible because it'll mean that I can take advantage of other features of the card in the meantime (multi-monitor support etc) Thanks for any advice in advance! Dom As far as i'm aware, as long as the old motherboard is using 1.5v and not 3.3v the card should work - very slowly When you say slowly... do you mean slowly compared to it's normal performance but useable, or slowly - everything working at a snail's pace? Also, is there any way to find out the voltage I am using? (haven't dug out the manual for the motherboard yet) |
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:34:08 +0100, Shepİ wrote:
As far as i'm aware, as long as the old motherboard is using 1.5v and not 3.3v the card should work - very slowly How slow? Is there any real advantage to AGP 8X cards? Yeah, that threw me too. Methinks responder is talking through his hat. |
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"JiNX" wrote in message ... "HamMan" wrote in message ... "JiNX" wrote in message ... I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP. I am want to upgrade by system, but would prefer to do it in stages (available cash constraints... haha) I will eventually be updating the following: Motherboard: Gigabyte S478 Intel 865G ATX A V L (800Mhz Bus) Processor: Pentium4 2.8Ghz S478 (800Mhz Bus) Memory: 512Mb PC3200 DDR RAM Graphics: Gainward Ti4800 128Mb DDR 8x AGP + FireWire Ideally I would like to start by upgrading the graphics card, but I'm not sure whether this is feasable... My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? I am happy to run with this step-back in performance until I can upgrade the rest of the components if this is possible because it'll mean that I can take advantage of other features of the card in the meantime (multi-monitor support etc) Thanks for any advice in advance! Dom As far as i'm aware, as long as the old motherboard is using 1.5v and not 3.3v the card should work - very slowly When you say slowly... do you mean slowly compared to it's normal performance but useable, or slowly - everything working at a snail's pace? Also, is there any way to find out the voltage I am using? (haven't dug out the manual for the motherboard yet) Slowly as in faster than your old card, but nowhere near how fast the card could be going if it was on AGP 8x |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:00:13 +0100, In this world we created "HamMan"
wrote : "JiNX" wrote in message ... "HamMan" wrote in message ... "JiNX" wrote in message ... I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP. I am want to upgrade by system, but would prefer to do it in stages (available cash constraints... haha) I will eventually be updating the following: Motherboard: Gigabyte S478 Intel 865G ATX A V L (800Mhz Bus) Processor: Pentium4 2.8Ghz S478 (800Mhz Bus) Memory: 512Mb PC3200 DDR RAM Graphics: Gainward Ti4800 128Mb DDR 8x AGP + FireWire Ideally I would like to start by upgrading the graphics card, but I'm not sure whether this is feasable... My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? I am happy to run with this step-back in performance until I can upgrade the rest of the components if this is possible because it'll mean that I can take advantage of other features of the card in the meantime (multi-monitor support etc) Thanks for any advice in advance! Dom As far as i'm aware, as long as the old motherboard is using 1.5v and not 3.3v the card should work - very slowly When you say slowly... do you mean slowly compared to it's normal performance but useable, or slowly - everything working at a snail's pace? Also, is there any way to find out the voltage I am using? (haven't dug out the manual for the motherboard yet) Slowly as in faster than your old card, but nowhere near how fast the card could be going if it was on AGP 8x Have you tested your card at 2X/4X and 8X to see what the difference is? You may be surprised ;-) -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html |
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"Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:00:13 +0100, In this world we created "HamMan" wrote : "JiNX" wrote in message ... "HamMan" wrote in message ... "JiNX" wrote in message ... I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP. I am want to upgrade by system, but would prefer to do it in stages (available cash constraints... haha) I will eventually be updating the following: Motherboard: Gigabyte S478 Intel 865G ATX A V L (800Mhz Bus) Processor: Pentium4 2.8Ghz S478 (800Mhz Bus) Memory: 512Mb PC3200 DDR RAM Graphics: Gainward Ti4800 128Mb DDR 8x AGP + FireWire Ideally I would like to start by upgrading the graphics card, but I'm not sure whether this is feasable... My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? I am happy to run with this step-back in performance until I can upgrade the rest of the components if this is possible because it'll mean that I can take advantage of other features of the card in the meantime (multi-monitor support etc) Thanks for any advice in advance! Dom As far as i'm aware, as long as the old motherboard is using 1.5v and not 3.3v the card should work - very slowly When you say slowly... do you mean slowly compared to it's normal performance but useable, or slowly - everything working at a snail's pace? Also, is there any way to find out the voltage I am using? (haven't dug out the manual for the motherboard yet) Slowly as in faster than your old card, but nowhere near how fast the card could be going if it was on AGP 8x Have you tested your card at 2X/4X and 8X to see what the difference is? You may be surprised ;-) -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html Point 1: My crappy KX7-333 doesnt have AGP 8x, and my GF4 is only a 4x card Point 2: I have tried a TnT2 in my AGP4x slot, after it had been in a 2x Slot, massive difference Point 3: Is fairly obvious that if a new card is designed for the 8x bus, its gonna be slower in a 4x slot |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:15:46 +0100, In this world we created "HamMan"
wrote : "Shepİ" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:00:13 +0100, In this world we created "HamMan" wrote : "JiNX" wrote in message ... "HamMan" wrote in message ... "JiNX" wrote in message ... I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP. I am want to upgrade by system, but would prefer to do it in stages (available cash constraints... haha) I will eventually be updating the following: Motherboard: Gigabyte S478 Intel 865G ATX A V L (800Mhz Bus) Processor: Pentium4 2.8Ghz S478 (800Mhz Bus) Memory: 512Mb PC3200 DDR RAM Graphics: Gainward Ti4800 128Mb DDR 8x AGP + FireWire Ideally I would like to start by upgrading the graphics card, but I'm not sure whether this is feasable... My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? I am happy to run with this step-back in performance until I can upgrade the rest of the components if this is possible because it'll mean that I can take advantage of other features of the card in the meantime (multi-monitor support etc) Thanks for any advice in advance! Dom As far as i'm aware, as long as the old motherboard is using 1.5v and not 3.3v the card should work - very slowly When you say slowly... do you mean slowly compared to it's normal performance but useable, or slowly - everything working at a snail's pace? Also, is there any way to find out the voltage I am using? (haven't dug out the manual for the motherboard yet) Slowly as in faster than your old card, but nowhere near how fast the card could be going if it was on AGP 8x Have you tested your card at 2X/4X and 8X to see what the difference is? You may be surprised ;-) Point 1: My crappy KX7-333 doesnt have AGP 8x, and my GF4 is only a 4x card Point 2: I have tried a TnT2 in my AGP4x slot, after it had been in a 2x Slot, massive difference Point 3: Is fairly obvious that if a new card is designed for the 8x bus, its gonna be slower in a 4x slot Unfortunately not as the AGP speed is for system RAM and if the card is faster and has enough on board RAM then it can actually be slower depending on the game.I've tested all my cards at 2X and 4X and found no difference that cannot be attributed to bench test anomalies. Because the speed of development of video cards overtaking the speed of development of mother boards they are beating system RAM. The TnT card was not a good example as it was a crap card to start with :/ -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:25:32 +0100, "JiNX" wrote:
I have a Gigabyte GA-BX2000 motherboard which supports 1x and 2x AGP. My question is basically whether the 8x AGP card will still work on my current 2x AGP motherboard, and just be affected performace-wise? or will it not work at all? if the AGP chip on that card is universal one should work; check the cards agp connector PCB part. if it has 2 cuts @ approx 1/3 & 2/3 of it between contacts should work .. -- Regards, SPAJKY - http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/Spajky.htm Celly-III OC-ed,"Tualatin on BX-Slot1-MoBo!" E-mail AntiSpam: remove ## |
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Unfortunately not as the AGP speed is for system RAM and if the card is faster and has enough on board RAM then it can actually be slower depending on the game.I've tested all my cards at 2X and 4X and found no difference that cannot be attributed to bench test anomalies. Because the speed of development of video cards overtaking the speed of development of mother boards they are beating system RAM. The TnT card was not a good example as it was a crap card to start with :/ -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html OK i give up, obviouisly no way in hell am i gonna pursuade you that 8x is faster than 4x No.Don't give up.You aren't wrong.Theoretically you are right but the AGP 8X is mother board maker's hype to help sell their boards just like the old Via protocols,"Fast Writes" and,"Side Band addressing". There's nothing wrong in PC hardware maker's trying to push the envelope but there is something wrong with people buying into it as if it's,"Gospel". Unfortunately many people think that if the starting point as 2X and the newest is 8X then they must be better off.However if the original premise was flawed then we are all being led down the wrong path :/ In the very near future the correct and better 3d rendering engines will use to older(and better),"Tiles" system of graphic rendering but the,"Big" companies that use it will advertize it as totally new and amazing. "The more things change,the more they stay the same" Click here, http://tinyurl.com/iux9 :O) -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html |
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