w2k chkdsk "windows replaced bad clusters in file" question

When Windows 2000 checkdisk chkdsk reports "windows replaced bad
clusters in file" does that mean that data was lost or not?

I got the message on while doing a chkdsk /f /r on an 80GB supposedly
refurbished Seagate ST380011A hard drive - on three large ISO type
files.

However when chkdsk completed it said there were no bad sectors found.

So, does this mean that:

Option 1: the redunancy of ntfs most likely allowed the drive's "SMART"
functionality to a.) not have lost any data in the first place because
of the redunancy of ntfs, and b.) that the starting to flake out
sections of the ISO files was reallocated to a different sector;

or, option 2: that because there's no good documentation what the
chkdsk message "windows replaced bad clusters in file" really means who
knows - maybe the three large ISO files which it reported that message
for really do now have some corruption.

On a side note I've been testing spinrite, but it's so very slow I've
almost thought about setting up a spare computer in another room just
for the sole purpose of running spinrite on it (and so that I won't
have to listen to a computer while I attempt to sleep).

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When Windows 2000 checkdisk chkdsk reports "windows replaced bad
clusters in file" does that mean that data was lost or not?

I got the message on while doing a chkdsk /f /r on an 80GB supposedly
refurbished Seagate ST380011A hard drive - on three large ISO type
files.

However when chkdsk completed it said there were no bad sectors found.

So, does this mean that:

Option 1: the redunancy of ntfs most likely allowed the drive's "SMART"
functionality to a.) not have lost any data in the first place because
of the redunancy of ntfs, and b.) that the starting to flake out
sections of the ISO files was reallocated to a different sector;

or, option 2: that because there's no good documentation what the
chkdsk message "windows replaced bad clusters in file" really means who
knows - maybe the three large ISO files which it reported that message
for really do now have some corruption.

On a side note I've been testing spinrite, but it's so very slow I've
almost thought about setting up a spare computer in another room just
for the sole purpose of running spinrite on it (and so that I won't
have to listen to a computer while I attempt to sleep).

Supposedly Refurbished ?. What the hell does that mean ?. Has someone
cleaned it, and reformatted it ?. Download the hard drive test tools from
Seagate, and test the drive. you don`t want to lose your (valuable ?.) data
do you ?.
best wishes..OJ

Google groups on "windows replaced bad clusters in file" comes up with clues.

Sometimes chkdsk reports bad sectors, sometimes not.
Check for errors in event viewer and drive diagnostics.

Some people are getting this error only on pagefile.sys
and compressed folders like system32\dllcache.
That suggests there is a bug in chkdsk,
perhaps it is reading out-of-bounds sectors.

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When Windows 2000 checkdisk chkdsk reports "windows replaced bad
clusters in file" does that mean that data was lost or not?

I got the message on while doing a chkdsk /f /r on an 80GB supposedly
refurbished Seagate ST380011A hard drive - on three large ISO type
files.

However when chkdsk completed it said there were no bad sectors found.

So, does this mean that:

Option 1: the redunancy of ntfs most likely allowed the drive's "SMART"
functionality to a.) not have lost any data in the first place because
of the redunancy of ntfs, and b.) that the starting to flake out
sections of the ISO files was reallocated to a different sector;

or, option 2: that because there's no good documentation what the
chkdsk message "windows replaced bad clusters in file" really means who
knows - maybe the three large ISO files which it reported that message
for really do now have some corruption.

On a side note I've been testing spinrite, but it's so very slow I've
almost thought about setting up a spare computer in another room just
for the sole purpose of running spinrite on it (and so that I won't
have to listen to a computer while I attempt to sleep).

wrote:
When Windows 2000 checkdisk chkdsk reports "windows replaced bad
clusters in file" does that mean that data was lost or not?

I got the message on while doing a chkdsk /f /r on an 80GB supposedly
refurbished Seagate ST380011A hard drive - on three large ISO type
files.

However when chkdsk completed it said there were no bad sectors found.

So, does this mean that:

Option 1: the redunancy of ntfs most likely allowed the drive's "SMART"
functionality to a.) not have lost any data in the first place because
of the redunancy of ntfs, and b.) that the starting to flake out
sections of the ISO files was reallocated to a different sector;

or, option 2: that because there's no good documentation what the
chkdsk message "windows replaced bad clusters in file" really means who
knows - maybe the three large ISO files which it reported that message
for really do now have some corruption.

On a side note I've been testing spinrite, but it's so very slow I've
almost thought about setting up a spare computer in another room just
for the sole purpose of running spinrite on it (and so that I won't
have to listen to a computer while I attempt to sleep).


Slightly OT, but I had a similar problem with ISO files and chkdsk. I
didn't realise at the time that when you create an ISO, the file it
creates can be very fragmented. I was copying and moving these 4Gb
'files' around on the hard drive, then suddenly the hard drive stopped
responding. Not surprising really, given the processing power required
to shift huge fragmented files around. Stupidly I rebooted, and chkdsk
started up. My index was damaged, and I made the mistake of letting
chkdsk 'fix' the problem. After about 24 hours, I was left with an
unintelligible mess. Small files had been joined together into one big
file, mp3's not joined together were all stripped of their leading 32k
(info tags), the 32k segments all left on the drive, some files just
plain gone, and all files were renamed to long meaningless strings. I
had to look at every one in turn to see what it was and whether I could
fix it.

If you can copy or recover any vital files to another drive before using
chkdsk I would recommend doing so.

aleX wrote:
wrote:
When Windows 2000 checkdisk chkdsk reports "windows replaced bad
clusters in file" does that mean that data was lost or not?

I got the message on while doing a chkdsk /f /r on an 80GB supposedly
refurbished Seagate ST380011A hard drive - on three large ISO type
files.

However when chkdsk completed it said there were no bad sectors
found. So, does this mean that:

Option 1: the redunancy of ntfs most likely allowed the drive's
"SMART" functionality to a.) not have lost any data in the first
place because of the redunancy of ntfs, and b.) that the starting to
flake out sections of the ISO files was reallocated to a different
sector; or, option 2: that because there's no good documentation what the
chkdsk message "windows replaced bad clusters in file" really means
who knows - maybe the three large ISO files which it reported that
message for really do now have some corruption.

On a side note I've been testing spinrite, but it's so very slow I've
almost thought about setting up a spare computer in another room just
for the sole purpose of running spinrite on it (and so that I won't
have to listen to a computer while I attempt to sleep).


Slightly OT, but I had a similar problem with ISO files and chkdsk. I
didn't realise at the time that when you create an ISO, the file it
creates can be very fragmented. I was copying and moving these 4Gb
'files' around on the hard drive, then suddenly the hard drive stopped
responding. Not surprising really, given the processing power required
to shift huge fragmented files around.

That is just plain wrong. Fragmented files
have no effect on processing power at all.

Stupidly I rebooted, and chkdsk started up. My index was damaged, and I made
the mistake of letting chkdsk 'fix' the problem. After about 24 hours, I was
left with an unintelligible mess. Small files had been joined together into
one big file, mp3's not joined together were all stripped of their leading 32k
(info tags), the 32k segments all left on the drive, some files just plain
gone, and all files were renamed to long meaningless strings. I had to look at
every one in turn to see what it was and whether I could fix it.

If you can copy or recover any vital files to another drive before using
chkdsk I would recommend doing so.

Rod Speed wrote:

Slightly OT, but I had a similar problem with ISO files and chkdsk. I
didn't realise at the time that when you create an ISO, the file it
creates can be very fragmented. I was copying and moving these 4Gb
'files' around on the hard drive, then suddenly the hard drive stopped
responding. Not surprising really, given the processing power required
to shift huge fragmented files around.


That is just plain wrong. Fragmented files
have no effect on processing power at all.

Thanks for letting me know, I won't erroneously describe it again.

I assumed that the system would need to keep track of where each
'fragment' was, rather than just a start and end point for a contiguous
file, hence take far longer. This probably isn't the case though, I'm no
expert, or anything approaching. What I do know is that chkdsk destroyed
a lot of the files on my drive, admittedly after I stupidly restarted
the machine when it may still have been processing.

aleX wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Slightly OT, but I had a similar problem with ISO files and chkdsk.
I didn't realise at the time that when you create an ISO, the file
it creates can be very fragmented. I was copying and moving these
4Gb 'files' around on the hard drive, then suddenly the hard drive
stopped responding. Not surprising really, given the processing
power required to shift huge fragmented files around.

That is just plain wrong. Fragmented files
have no effect on processing power at all.

Thanks for letting me know, I won't erroneously describe it again.

I assumed that the system would need to keep track of where each
'fragment' was, rather than just a start and end point for a contiguous file,

Yes.

hence take far longer.

The effort required to do that is completely trivial processing power wise.

This probably isn't the case though, I'm no expert, or anything approaching.
What I do know is that chkdsk destroyed a lot of the files on my drive,
admittedly after I stupidly restarted the machine when it may still have been
processing.

Yeah, tho it would have stalled for some other reason.

It certainly wouldnt have been due to fragmentation.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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aleX wrote:
wrote:

Slightly OT, but I had a similar problem with ISO files and chkdsk. I
didn't realise at the time that when you create an ISO, the file it
creates can be very fragmented. I was copying and moving these 4Gb
'files' around on the hard drive, then suddenly the hard drive stopped
responding. Not surprising really, given the processing power required
to shift huge fragmented files around.

That is just plain wrong. Fragmented files
have no effect on processing power at all.

I would agree, but, under task manager, CPU usage shows Defrag hitting the
upper limits.

-a|ex

127.0.0.1 get.rooted@localhost wrote
Rod Speed wrote
aleX wrote
wrote

Slightly OT, but I had a similar problem with ISO files and chkdsk.
I didn't realise at the time that when you create an ISO, the file
it creates can be very fragmented. I was copying and moving these
4Gb 'files' around on the hard drive, then suddenly the hard drive
stopped responding. Not surprising really, given the processing
power required to shift huge fragmented files around.

That is just plain wrong. Fragmented files
have no effect on processing power at all.

I would agree, but, under task manager, CPU usage shows Defrag hitting the
upper limits.

Irrelevant. Thats just the extensive moving of
files around to get rid of the fragmentation.

You'd get the same result moving
unfragmented files around as much too.