Newegg has Diamond X1950 Pro 512MB AGP

$290.00 USD


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103024

or

http://tinyurl.com/yec4gl

Have a look he http://www.diamondmm.com/X1950PRO512AGP.php
Has 36/8, same as PCI-E version.


"me/2" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:33:12 -0800, "Too_Much_Coffee ®"
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:$290.00 USD
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:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103024
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:or
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:http://tinyurl.com/yec4gl
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So other than Shader Model 3.0 what does this offer over a X850XT PE
AGP card? Performance improvement worth the cost? Is it really only 12
pipelines? Any information will be appreciated. I haven't been
following the specs on the newer chips lately since none of them
seemed to offer a performance increase over what I've already got.

Thanks,
me/2

$290.00 USD


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103024

or

http://tinyurl.com/yec4gl


Newegg is a great place to shop. I was looking at the PowerColor X1950 Pro
review on FiringSquad.com earlier today. That version has a very nice
looking cooler attached and is only $259 at Directron. I saw it for $249
somewhere but cannot find again. The Sapphire version with 512MB for $249 is
at AllStartShop.com (but out of stock). You could buy a much inferior 7800GS
or X850XT for similar price as the X1950 Pro. Best AGP performance at a
reasonable price.

..... I was looking at the PowerColor X1950 Pro review on FiringSquad.com
earlier today. That version has a very nice looking cooler attached and
is only $259 at Directron. I saw it for $249 somewhere but cannot find
again. ....

Here it is. In stock $249.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....0&RSKU=AA65470

FiringSquad has a comparison between the X1950 Pro and the previously
fastest AGP cards like the X850XT PE and 7800GS. Whether the performance
improvement is worth the upgrade depends on the max resolution of your
monitor and the games you play:
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/powe...view/page5.asp

Even though the X1950 Pro has 12 texture units, keep in mind it has 36 pixel
shaders versus 16 on the X850XT. Shader-heavy games will see the X1950 Pro
pull ahead, with a wider margin at high resolutions. (More pixels - more
pixel shader operations.) The X1950 Pro is 60% faster in Company of Heroes,
60% faster in Pacific Fighters, 40% faster in BF2142, and 18% faster in
Quake 4.

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

"me/2" wrote in message
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So other than Shader Model 3.0 what does this offer over a X850XT PE
AGP card? Performance improvement worth the cost? Is it really only 12
pipelines? Any information will be appreciated. I haven't been
following the specs on the newer chips lately since none of them
seemed to offer a performance increase over what I've already got.

Thanks,
me/2

"First of One" root@localhost wrote in message ...
FiringSquad has a comparison between the X1950 Pro and the previously
fastest AGP cards like the X850XT PE and 7800GS.

Not all 7800GS's are created equal. Gainward's 7800GS+
has 24 pipes, 512MB, SM3.0, dual-link DVI etc. I'm hoping
to see side-by-side performance benchmarks with the GS+
and X1950 AGP.

me/2 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:33:12 -0800, "Too_Much_Coffee ®"
wrote:

$290.00 USD



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103024

or

http://tinyurl.com/yec4gl


So other than Shader Model 3.0 what does this offer over a
X850XT PE
AGP card? Performance improvement worth the cost? Is it really
only
12 pipelines? Any information will be appreciated. I haven't
been
following the specs on the newer chips lately since none of
them
seemed to offer a performance increase over what I've already
got.

Here's a review in German that compares several of the fastest
AGP cards. No 850 but the 800 is there. No need to translate
really.

http://www.hartware.de/review_668.html

It would have been nice if all the cards tested had the same
amount of memory. Considering the difference in price, the
7800GS doesn't look too bad. Newegg only wants $175.99 for the
BFG 7800GS OC. The 256MB X1950 AGP is only $240 at Amazon but it
won't be available until Jan 15.

Amazon:
http://tinyurl.com/yglhzr

TMC

Thanks,
me/2

The Gainward 7800GS+ is essentially a 7900GT on AGP, so at best it will
perform like a regular 7900GT. The X1950 Pro AGP has been shown to perform
almost identically to its PCIe counterpart. There are plenty of articles
that include both the 7900GT and X1950 Pro PCIe, like this one:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2858&p=5 . It can be seen that
the two chipsets offer very similar levels of performance.

Note the Gainward 7800GS+ still carries an inflated pricetag. With PCIe
7900GT cards dropping in price continuously, the disparity is almost at a
factor of two.

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"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

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"First of One" root@localhost wrote in message
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FiringSquad has a comparison between the X1950 Pro and the previously
fastest AGP cards like the X850XT PE and 7800GS.

Not all 7800GS's are created equal. Gainward's 7800GS+
has 24 pipes, 512MB, SM3.0, dual-link DVI etc. I'm hoping
to see side-by-side performance benchmarks with the GS+
and X1950 AGP.

"First of One" root@localhost wrote in message ...
The Gainward 7800GS+ is essentially a 7900GT on AGP, so at best it will
perform like a regular 7900GT.

Not quite true. The GS+ has 512MB and is substantially
more overclockable than the GS. On the PCIE side you
need to move to a GTX for comparable performance.

The X1950 Pro AGP has been shown to perform
almost identically to its PCIe counterpart. There are plenty of articles
that include both the 7900GT and X1950 Pro PCIe, like this one:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2858&p=5 . It can be seen that
the two chipsets offer very similar levels of performance.

Note the Gainward 7800GS+ still carries an inflated pricetag.

See above. The proper comparison is with a GTX, and in
that case the price is only slightly inflated, if at all.

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Not quite true. The GS+ has 512MB and is substantially
more overclockable than the GS. On the PCIE side you
need to move to a GTX for comparable performance.

Common misconception. Remember a "real" GTX can be overclocked further. Many
7900GTs fitted with a $30 Arctic Cooler can overclock just as well as
Gainward's GS+.

For what it's worth, the Powercolor X1950 Pro, in both PCIe and AGP forms,
has an AC Accelero X2. It, too, can overclock very well.

512 MB has shown to be of very little benefit in games, even at high-res
with AA, where the framebuffer requirements are the most demanding. The
extra RAM is probably padding up the price, but it doesn't *justify* the
price because it doesn't improve the gaming experience.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."