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Dual core or FX?
"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in
news:3oU9f.1499$W%2.990@trnddc06: "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message Since there are currently no multi-threaded games on the market, then your response in that regard is irrelevant. One point I'd like to make on the anti-dual core I've seen some have people posted (not picking on anyone), is the next version of NVidia's video drivers will be multi-threaded, which should help on all games! Plus, if you run something like teamspeak (or ANY other program) while gaming, the dual cores would help some. I'm not saying you SHOULD get a dual core, just saying don't count them out. If I had $1000 to spend on a CPU, I'd get the 4800+, not the FX. -- ____________________________________________ / David Simpson \ | City of Heroes, Basic Stamp, RPGs, War Games | | | | http://www.nyx.net/~dsimpson | \____________________________________________/ |
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Dual core or FX?
Then how do *YOU* explain the significant differences in benchmarks between the FX and it's non-FX brethren? The information you have posted is completely wrong...I would be curious to know the source, as the source obviously is completely clueless. Show me one benchmark where an FX57 is more than 16% faster then a 4000+. The only difference between the FX57 and the 4000+ is clock speed, the FX57 is 2.8GHz, the 4000+ is 2.4GHz, both have 1M caches. If you take the ratio between 2.8 and 2.4 you get 1.16 so that's the absolute maximum possible difference between the two. Of course you'll only see that on a completely CPU bound application. The DDR memory speeds are identical, the IO speeds are determined by the disk so that's identical, and the graphics speed is mostly dependent on the graphics card so there is no difference there. Given that games are graphics bound you'll barely see any difference between an FX57 and a 4000+. |
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Dual core or FX?
"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news Then how do *YOU* explain the significant differences in benchmarks between the FX and it's non-FX brethren? The information you have posted is completely wrong...I would be curious to know the source, as the source obviously is completely clueless. Show me one benchmark where an FX57 is more than 16% faster then a 4000+. The only difference between the FX57 and the 4000+ is clock speed, the FX57 is 2.8GHz, the 4000+ is 2.4GHz, both have 1M caches. If you take the ratio between 2.8 and 2.4 you get 1.16 so that's the absolute maximum possible difference between the two. Of course you'll only see that on a completely CPU bound application. The DDR memory speeds are identical, the IO speeds are determined by the disk so that's identical, and the graphics speed is mostly dependent on the graphics card so there is no difference there. Given that games are graphics bound you'll barely see any difference between an FX57 and a 4000+. The best advice I can give you is you need to do a little more research. The FX series is significantly different from the Athlon64 and the Athlon64 X2. The core logic and algorithms included on the chip are significantly different. The best starting point is the AMD website, but sites like Toms Hardware are also worth checking out. We all need to be careful about the information we post here. Posting inaccurate information as you have done is not a good thing for those who do not know that what you are posting is just plain wrong. Bobby |
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Dual core or FX?
In message General
Schvantzkoph wrote: If you take the ratio between 2.8 and 2.4 you get 1.16 so that's the absolute maximum possible difference between the two. Not at all, there is more then just clock speed involved. If you've ever compared a 386/33MHz with a 486/33MHz you'd see it very obviously, although with modern CPUs the difference is usually less striking. -- A cheap shot is a terrible thing to waste. |
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Dual core or FX?
"DevilsPGD" wrote in message ... In message General Schvantzkoph wrote: If you take the ratio between 2.8 and 2.4 you get 1.16 so that's the absolute maximum possible difference between the two. Not at all, there is more then just clock speed involved. If you've ever compared a 386/33MHz with a 486/33MHz you'd see it very obviously, although with modern CPUs the difference is usually less striking. -- A cheap shot is a terrible thing to waste. Don't waste your time...the General seems to be brain-dead and incapable of a coherent thought... Bobby |
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Dual core or FX?
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:58:32 +0000, NoNoBadDog! wrote:
"DevilsPGD" wrote in message ... In message General Schvantzkoph wrote: If you take the ratio between 2.8 and 2.4 you get 1.16 so that's the absolute maximum possible difference between the two. Not at all, there is more then just clock speed involved. If you've ever compared a 386/33MHz with a 486/33MHz you'd see it very obviously, although with modern CPUs the difference is usually less striking. You don't seem to understand, the A64FX and the A64 are exactly the same core they aren't different processors like a 386 vs a 486. In fact all of the AMD64 products are basically the same (there are small differences that have been introduced with each revision but those apply across the product lines). The difference between Athlon64s and Opterons have to do with the coherency logic on the hypertransport buses, which is disabled on the Athlon64s, and support for registered DIMMs and that's it. The difference between the FX and the A64s is clock speed, that's it. The FXs all have 1M caches but so do some A64s, the 4000+ for example. |
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Dual core or FX?
Don't waste your time...the General seems to be brain-dead and incapable of a coherent thought... Bobby What's wrong with you? Instead of posting insults why don't you post something to backup your ridiculous assertions. If you think you've seen a benchmark where the FX57 is more than 16% faster then a 4000+ post a link to it. If you think that there is any difference between an FX and a regular Athlon64 then name one single feature that an FX has that a regular A64 doesn't. You won't be able to do either because the FX is just a marketing designation, it's aimed at convincing the ignorant that a 16% performance difference is worth a 200% price premium. |
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Dual core or FX?
Because of all the discussion on this topic and my own interest, I just
reviewed the AMD technical information on the FX Series and the AMD 64 (939) series (not the X2). AMD's documented processor Architecture shows no hardware architectures differences at the top end of the lines. I counld not find any information on the instruction set architecture that would suggest there are or are not changes to the ISA with respect to each other. If there were such, I would have expected AMD to emphasize the ISA changes to the FX in their literature. That being said the only differences in performance of the actual CPU can only be accounted for by the differences in its clock speed and cache size. Note I am only talking about the CPU not the rest of the system. To many variables enter into determining overall system performance all of which have been discussed many times on many sites. John P.S. The information on the X2 was not of sufficient detail to make any kind of judgement. "NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message news:EQN9f.38$5R2.24@trnddc08... Angie: The FX series is optimized for gaming (sort of like a turbo charger for a car engine). If you are a serious gamer, then yes it is worth the extra $200. Nothing else comes close (far gaming). Bobby "Angie" wrote in message news:v2N9f.86$zU2.66@trnddc07... Thanks for responding Bobby & David. I am curious what's unique about the FX processor. It costs a LOT more than even some of the dual core units. Does it really make that much of a difference if I have a decent graphics card? I read the stuff on AMD's website and it was a little fluffy. I'm digging through Tom's site right now to find out more. So far, I gather it is good but is it $200 more good? aK. "David Simpson" wrote in message . 97.131... "NoNoBadDog!" wrote in news:2rz9f.3544$9d.1694@trnddc05: "Angie" wrote in message news:%Vx9f.2065$0d.1389@trnddc03... I've looked at the x2 3800+, 4400+, 4800+ and FX-57 processors and haven't quite figured out why the prices are so far apart. Well, it seems like a big difference to me anyway for the increment in rated speed and cache. This machine is primarily for gaming (75%) and some tinkering with Microsoft Visual Studio, SQL Server, Oracle, etc... Of course, there's the usual web browsing, MS Office application and some Adobe. Gaming is most important though. :-) Since there are no multi-threaded games, the FX processors are your best bet. They will best anything else on the market for gaming. In the future, when the game developers begin developing multithreaded games, then the X2 will be better for gaming, but that is down the road. Unless you like to multi task and game. Then the dual cores rule. -- ____________________________________________ / David Simpson \ | City of Heroes, Basic Stamp, RPGs, War Games | | | | http://www.nyx.net/~dsimpson | \____________________________________________/ |
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Dual core or FX?
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:32:56 +0000, NoNoBadDog! wrote:
"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news Then how do *YOU* explain the significant differences in benchmarks between the FX and it's non-FX brethren? The information you have posted is completely wrong...I would be curious to know the source, as the source obviously is completely clueless. Show me one benchmark where an FX57 is more than 16% faster then a 4000+. The only difference between the FX57 and the 4000+ is clock speed, the FX57 is 2.8GHz, the 4000+ is 2.4GHz, both have 1M caches. If you take the ratio between 2.8 and 2.4 you get 1.16 so that's the absolute maximum possible difference between the two. Of course you'll only see that on a completely CPU bound application. The DDR memory speeds are identical, the IO speeds are determined by the disk so that's identical, and the graphics speed is mostly dependent on the graphics card so there is no difference there. Given that games are graphics bound you'll barely see any difference between an FX57 and a 4000+. The best advice I can give you is you need to do a little more research. The FX series is significantly different from the Athlon64 and the Athlon64 X2. The core logic and algorithms included on the chip are significantly different. The best starting point is the AMD website, but sites like Toms Hardware are also worth checking out. And the best advice I could give you is to learn wtf you're talking about before letting your fingers hit the keyboard. There are no differences between the cores. the only differences are clockspeed and an unlocked multiplier on the FX series. This shows the 2 to be the same. The BN on the end of the part number indicates the San Diego core. AMD has been doing this for years, as does Intel. Same core, just add to cache or increase clockspeed or some other little thing they can do to get more money.:-) http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desk...DAFX57DAA5B N We all need to be careful about the information we post here. Posting inaccurate information as you have done is not a good thing for those who do not know that what you are posting is just plain wrong. You must be talking to yourself.:-) -- KT133 MB, CPU @2400MHz (24x100): SIS755 MB CPU @2330MHz (10x233) Need good help? Provide all system info with question. My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php Verizon server http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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