In Re Epson Ink Cartridge Class Action Cases

( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the
settlement is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .


I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is
still gas left when the needle registers empty?


I suppose the question is, how much ink was still in the cartridge when
it read "empty".

Sometimes, FULL. I wasted an entire set in cleaning and printing while
trying to get it back to work. Not a single word was printed out. Yet all
the cartridges were "empty" and had to through them away, including the
printer of course.

Taliesyn wrote:
Bob Headrick wrote:


"Mike" wrote in message
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( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the
settlement is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .



I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is
still gas left when the needle registers empty?


I suppose the question is, how much ink was still in the cartridge when
it read "empty". If there was still 25% then I'd be quite upset and can
see just cause for a class action suit. We're not talking about a $3
dollar cartridge. Usually a set will cost nearly as much as the printer.

-Taliesyn

Well, each person who is eligible, signed up etc.
will get there $45, which probably has an actual
cost of $10. But most people with the potential
to be eligible won't have signed up in time so
will get nothing. OTOH, the lawyers will be paid
a certain percentage of the total, and that will
probably be based on a lot more people than those
that actually get some money. So, a few buyers
will get $10 worth of stuff ($45 at retail) and
the lawyers will several million dollars. Works
every time.

Screw em as hard as you can....after all thats what they done us.


http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114590,00.asp

Just a snippet
Quote-:
The Stylus C84 on average stopped printing with 20 percent of the
ink left in the cartridge, while the Canon i850 stopped printing with
10 percent of the ink left. Canon says that it generally strives to
leave 6 percent of a cartridge's ink as a safety margin. Epson
doesn't disclose its target residual ink levels, nor will the company
comment on why so high a proportion of the total ink is unused when
printing stops. The other printers we tested gave low-ink messages
but never stopped functioning (see the test report for details).
Unquote:

A little old meat to chew ..! We in the UK are still getting
"Clogged"

Never get clogged with an Epson eh...?

Davy

--
Jan Alter

or

"HankG" wrote in message
...

"ZR" wrote in message
ink.net...
( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los
Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the
settlement is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .

I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

It may be true, but it's not acceptible from customer's point of view:
you
can't FORCE customer to throw away 1/4 or more of the expensive ink. They
probably would not have got into this trouble if they do not FORCE the
printer to shut down. Instead, they can just simply give a warning. Some
customer may ignore the warning and just continue to print, and cause
damage
to the printer. Then it's the customer's problem.


What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is
still
gas left when the needle registers empty?

Don't see what's the point he The engine doesn't shut down as long as
you
still have gas in the tank, no matter the needle register empty or not.
Besides you are not FORCED to throw away the gas that's left.

On the other hand, they may get sued if there is no gas in the tank while
the needle registers full (or npn-empty), -.

I'd be happy if Epson was forced to re-issue software that would give an
honest picture of ink usage, along with a message when it was absolutely
necessary to change the cartridge.

HankG


I'd be satisfied with that end, but Epson must be thinking it's cheaper for
them to pay out a pittance amount per printer than to have lawsuits coming
in for ruined printers due to ink running out and ruining the head with
revamped software that allows more ink to be used. I agree with Bob
Headrick's observation in that keeping a high safetynet of ink allows Epson
to avoid that consequence.
At this point though Epson will have to rethink what margin of unused ink
will need to remain in the cartridge when the printer refuses to print.
Perhaps instead of a complete print stoppage at the constant red light a
warning should be issued that printing further will cause the head to burn
up should the ink run out.

Take a look at http://www.rechargermag.com/article.asp?id=200312016. The
article claims that independent testing revealed the Epson's cartridges
retained between 10% and 30% of the ink when they shut the printer down. If
true that is one hell of a lot of ink.
Mike

"Jan Alter" wrote in message
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Jan Alter

or

"HankG" wrote in message
...

"ZR" wrote in message
ink.net...
( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los
Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the
settlement is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .

I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

It may be true, but it's not acceptible from customer's point of view:
you
can't FORCE customer to throw away 1/4 or more of the expensive ink.
They
probably would not have got into this trouble if they do not FORCE the
printer to shut down. Instead, they can just simply give a warning. Some
customer may ignore the warning and just continue to print, and cause
damage
to the printer. Then it's the customer's problem.


What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is
still
gas left when the needle registers empty?

Don't see what's the point he The engine doesn't shut down as long as
you
still have gas in the tank, no matter the needle register empty or not.
Besides you are not FORCED to throw away the gas that's left.

On the other hand, they may get sued if there is no gas in the tank
while
the needle registers full (or npn-empty), -.

I'd be happy if Epson was forced to re-issue software that would give an
honest picture of ink usage, along with a message when it was absolutely
necessary to change the cartridge.

HankG


I'd be satisfied with that end, but Epson must be thinking it's cheaper
for them to pay out a pittance amount per printer than to have lawsuits
coming in for ruined printers due to ink running out and ruining the head
with revamped software that allows more ink to be used. I agree with Bob
Headrick's observation in that keeping a high safetynet of ink allows
Epson to avoid that consequence.
At this point though Epson will have to rethink what margin of unused
ink will need to remain in the cartridge when the printer refuses to
print. Perhaps instead of a complete print stoppage at the constant red
light a warning should be issued that printing further will cause the head
to burn up should the ink run out.

"ZR" wrote in message
ink.net...
( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the
settlement is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .


I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is
still gas left when the needle registers empty?


I suppose the question is, how much ink was still in the cartridge when
it read "empty".

Sometimes, FULL. I wasted an entire set in cleaning and printing while
trying to get it back to work. Not a single word was printed out. Yet all
the cartridges were "empty" and had to through them away, including the
printer of course.

Ever wondered what happens when you clean the heads? Hint: Ink is pulled by
a pump through the printhead.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ENJOY BENDING OVER

Davy wrote:

Screw em as hard as you can....after all thats what they done us.



http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114590,00.asp

Just a snippet
Quote-:
The Stylus C84 on average stopped printing with 20 percent of the


ink left in the cartridge, while the Canon i850 stopped printing with
10 percent of the ink left. Canon says that it generally strives to
leave 6 percent of a cartridge's ink as a safety margin. Epson
doesn't disclose its target residual ink levels, nor will the company
comment on why so high a proportion of the total ink is unused when
printing stops. The other printers we tested gave low-ink messages
but never stopped functioning (see the test report for details).
Unquote:

A little old meat to chew ..! We in the UK are still getting
"Clogged"

Never get clogged with an Epson eh...?

Davy

And people still go out and buy Epsons, either they are poor learners
or don't care two hoots.

Davy

Davy wrote:

And people still go out and buy Epsons, either they are poor learners
or don't care two hoots.

Davy


YEAH AND DA SAME MORONS BUY UNDISCLOSED AFTERMARKET INK

On 14-Apr-2006, "Mike" wrote:

Take a look at http://www.rechargermag.com/article.asp?id=200312016. The
article claims that independent testing revealed the Epson's cartridges
retained between 10% and 30% of the ink when they shut the printer down. If
true that is one hell of a lot of ink.

Not to mention the 10% to 30% for the initial charge after inserting a new
cartridge.