ASROCK versus ASUS

sooky grumper wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:

He was still talking dowm to him and attempting to ridicule him. If
"his knowledge and experience are indeed lacking" then surely we
should be educating him, not treating him like an idiot?

I did. I let him know about the errors in his knowledge, and what the
correct 'answers' were to points he raised. It seems that you're
looking for an argument. I can't help it if you have such low self
esteem that you read things into posts like 'talking down' and
'ridicule'. Those things were not there.


"I can't help it if you have such low self esteem....."?

See my point?

Probably not.
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~misfit~

kony wrote:

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Slight change of subject from ~misfit~ (Yet again!)

It's irrelevant what unused voltages like -12V, -5V, read. There is
nothing better about a motherboard that puts a load on an unused
voltage so it shows up near spec on a voltage report.

(I'm not sure if I've mentioned this here)

Dave, remember I told you my PSU was outputting a really low 3.3v? I bit the
bullet and bought an AcBel 400W PSU and fitted it. The 3.3v is perfect now,
as are the +12v, -12v and the +5v. However, the -5v constantly reads
around -3.5v. I'm told in another group that this is nothing to worry about
and would only maybe effect serial ports (I don't use them, have them
disabled in BIOS).

I *still* don't have a DVM or multi-meter. I priced some yesterday, it's top
of my shopping list for when I have the money. (I could buy the cheapest one
now but it's not my nature to buy cheap'n'nasty stuff if I can aviod it)
Should I just not worry about this? (It's my nature to worry, I suffer from
an anxiety disorder). Or should I try returning the PSU? With the old PSU
(which, when I removed it from the case, turned out to be a 'Leaf' 400W)
the -5v was stable at spec.

BTW, the PC is running perfectly. The PSU, even though quieter than the old
one, pulls more air through my case, dropping case temps a couple of
degrees. Also, I've been able to drop the vcore from 1.825v to 1.80v
(XP1800+ @ 10.5 x 200Mhz) and it's still Prime95 stable, it wasn't Prime
stable at 1.80v with the other PSU, the vcore fluctuated a little more than
it does with this one.

The core temp seems a little lower than before too but it's hard to tell for
sure, we're having a cold-snap here that coincided with fitting the new PSU.
Room temp 16°C, Case temp 28°C (But the case thermistor is right in the
air-flow from the graphics card HSF) CPU diode, with SETI CLI running, 100%
load, 36°C.

Cheers,
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~misfit~

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:27:08 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote:


Dave, remember I told you my PSU was outputting a really low 3.3v? I bit the
bullet and bought an AcBel 400W PSU and fitted it. The 3.3v is perfect now,
as are the +12v, -12v and the +5v. However, the -5v constantly reads
around -3.5v. I'm told in another group that this is nothing to worry about
and would only maybe effect serial ports (I don't use them, have them
disabled in BIOS).

That's fine for the -5V reading. IIRC, modern com ports derive power from
3.3 or 5V, not -5V.

I *still* don't have a DVM or multi-meter. I priced some yesterday, it's top
of my shopping list for when I have the money. (I could buy the cheapest one
now but it's not my nature to buy cheap'n'nasty stuff if I can aviod it)
Should I just not worry about this? (It's my nature to worry, I suffer from
an anxiety disorder). Or should I try returning the PSU? With the old PSU
(which, when I removed it from the case, turned out to be a 'Leaf' 400W)
the -5v was stable at spec.

No need to worry about it, if it were unnecessarily loaded internal to the
power supply it would read the correct voltage but be wasting power and
creating a minor amount of heat... the cheaper built power supply probably
used a low current linear regulator and so it wasn't subject to the
voltage variations.

BTW, the PC is running perfectly. The PSU, even though quieter than the old
one, pulls more air through my case, dropping case temps a couple of
degrees. Also, I've been able to drop the vcore from 1.825v to 1.80v
(XP1800+ @ 10.5 x 200Mhz) and it's still Prime95 stable, it wasn't Prime
stable at 1.80v with the other PSU, the vcore fluctuated a little more than
it does with this one.

That's a good sign, hopefully your motherboard wasn't too stressed by the
old power supply.

The core temp seems a little lower than before too but it's hard to tell for
sure, we're having a cold-snap here that coincided with fitting the new PSU.
Room temp 16°C, Case temp 28°C (But the case thermistor is right in the
air-flow from the graphics card HSF) CPU diode, with SETI CLI running, 100%
load, 36°C.

Cheers,

It may very well be slightly lower... if the old power supply required
running with vCore of 1.825V then that alone would cause more CPU heat,
and to a lesser extent motherboard heat.

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:30:41 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote:


Yep, I used to do the same thing, invariably Casio, and they'd last and run
perfectly until the plastic strap broke (oxidised). Then it was about the
same price to get a new watch as it was to get a new strap.

I have the same Casio watch I've had for 10 years or so. On it's third
battery, second strap (don't wear it unless I have to though).

In article , ElJerid
wrote:
Why does a new motherboard crashes after a new clean install, while
replacement of just the motherboard results in a perfectly working
system?

Are you talking about replacement with an identical board (same make,
type, BIOS, etc.) or just swapping out the board for a different one?

If you are, indeed, replacing apples with apples then the first apples
would seem to be rotten.

Cheers,
Daniel.

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:39:49 +0100, "K-Tel Ronco"
wrote:

SNIP
" I am told that Asrock is a cheaper range "

I have to agree with that. In a number of years of building The Asrock is
the only boards I Have ever had a failure on (and I have used some crap).
Not a catastrophic failure I may add, rear usb ports died. However I bought
it thinking it was a quality item. I forget the model, was one of these
maplin bundles that at the time seemed like a great deal.

I consider Asus No1, and maybe my logic is flawed, but I wouldn't buy
a budget board from Asustek. My guess is the likes of Shuttle, EPoX
and Soltek knows much more about how to build a cheap board.
They've been at it for much longer, and have had decent success with
it too.

ancra

"~misfit~" wrote in message
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Piotr Makley wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote:

Wise people in the know who
weren't overly image-conscious bought Pulsar and saved
approximately 40% and got the exact same ultra-reliable watch.
They're made in the same factory, they just go to a different
'finishing line' where they are fitted into either a Seiko or
a Pulsar case.

But what about quality control? Is that different?

No, not at all. I happened to be in a jewellers shop when a Seiko/Pulsar
rep
was there, just as they bought out the Pulsar brand. He was explaining it
to
the shop owner. The internals come off the same production-line, go
through
the same QT, and are then diverted to either the Seiko or Pulsar
'finishing'
line (for fitting into cases), depending on demand.

As I said, my Pulsar hasn't given me a moments trouble in the 10 years
I've
had it. I told a guy who owned a Seiko (that he paid heaps more for) about
it and he didn't believe me until I showed him that they have the same
'double
wave' logo on the back (both watches are 100m water resist).
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~misfit~


Thanks for the heads-up, ~misfit~.

Just bought a nice Pulsar watch for £19.99 + Vat (Vat = 17.5% sales tax, in
UK). I might have passed on it for being too cheap.
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Doug Ramage