cloning software, data from a HP xw4600 workstation(running Windowsvista 32 bit) to HP z200 workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit)

The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those programs.
So, the entire contents(data, application program like Matlab, Labview,
Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP z200
workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on the HP
XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

1. Is there some data cable which will allow a quick copy from the
hard drive of XW4600 to z200? The user thinks using a data cable the
data, program files can be copied in 20 minutes. I know hard disk to
hard disk transfer using a cable copies data(not application programs),
but one disk needs to be set as slave and other as master. Is there some
other way where using a cable a quick copy(of data, programs) can be
done? If so, which data cable is used for it and how is it done?

2. If the software route is chosen for cloning, do I need to make a
partition in the z200, then make an image of xw4600 to an external hard
drive using some tool like DriveImage XML V2.30
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
then copy the image from external hard drive to the partition on z200,
where the image can be extracted using DriveImage to get a replica of
the xw4600 contents on the z200? Or, did I miss something?

3. Are there any other free cloning software I should consider besides
the ones at
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...election_Guide
since the two computers have different operating systems, different
models? It is OK if the z200 needs to be wiped during the process since
it contains no data or programs.

t wrote:
The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those programs.
So, the entire contents(data, application program like Matlab, Labview,
Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP z200
workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on the HP
XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

1. Is there some data cable which will allow a quick copy from the hard
drive of XW4600 to z200? The user thinks using a data cable the data,
program files can be copied in 20 minutes. I know hard disk to hard disk
transfer using a cable copies data(not application programs), but one
disk needs to be set as slave and other as master. Is there some other
way where using a cable a quick copy(of data, programs) can be done? If
so, which data cable is used for it and how is it done?

2. If the software route is chosen for cloning, do I need to make a
partition in the z200, then make an image of xw4600 to an external hard
drive using some tool like DriveImage XML V2.30
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
then copy the image from external hard drive to the partition on z200,
where the image can be extracted using DriveImage to get a replica of
the xw4600 contents on the z200? Or, did I miss something?

3. Are there any other free cloning software I should consider besides
the ones at
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...election_Guide

since the two computers have different operating systems, different
models? It is OK if the z200 needs to be wiped during the process since
it contains no data or programs.

Why alt.comp.hardware ?

This isn't a hardware question.

I recommend finding the install discs for Matlab, Labview, Borland Compiler.
And the license key information. You're going to need them.

Copying disks is trivial. Copying programs is not trivial. Commercial
programs especially, are not going to appreciate being trivially copied.
Otherwise, if I was a big company with 10,000 computers, I could buy
one copy of Matlab and just copy it over to the other 9,999 machines.
Don't you think they're going to try to find some way to stop that ?
These aren't "Linux Freebee" programs...

Paul

"Paul" wrote:

t wrote:

The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those
programs. So, the entire contents(data, application program like
Matlab, Labview, Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the
HP z200 workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit).

I recommend finding the install discs for Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler. And the license key information. You're going to need them.

Copying disks is trivial. Copying programs is not trivial. Commercial
programs especially, are not going to appreciate being trivially cop

Besides just the files, the registry entries for these programs will be
needed.

On 8/23/2012 6:02 PM, Paul wrote:
t wrote:
The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those
programs. So, the entire contents(data, application program like
Matlab, Labview, Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP
z200 workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on
the HP XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

1. Is there some data cable which will allow a quick copy from the
hard drive of XW4600 to z200? The user thinks using a data cable the
data, program files can be copied in 20 minutes. I know hard disk to
hard disk transfer using a cable copies data(not application
programs), but one disk needs to be set as slave and other as master.
Is there some other way where using a cable a quick copy(of data,
programs) can be done? If so, which data cable is used for it and how
is it done?

2. If the software route is chosen for cloning, do I need to make a
partition in the z200, then make an image of xw4600 to an external
hard drive using some tool like DriveImage XML V2.30
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
then copy the image from external hard drive to the partition on
z200, where the image can be extracted using DriveImage to get a
replica of the xw4600 contents on the z200? Or, did I miss something?

3. Are there any other free cloning software I should consider
besides the ones at
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...election_Guide

since the two computers have different operating systems, different
models? It is OK if the z200 needs to be wiped during the process
since it contains no data or programs.

Why alt.comp.hardware ?

This isn't a hardware question.

Since it involved making a clone of a hard disk from one computer model
to another, I thought if someone can offer some suggestions it would be
helpful. I posted in 24hoursupport.helpdesk, but that newsgroup seems
overwhelmed so my post did not appear.



I recommend finding the install discs for Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler.
And the license key information. You're going to need them.

The user got them few years back and does not even remember where they
are. He remembers, his neighbor using some data cable copied all his
contents(data, programs) from old to new hard drive within few minutes.
He did not need the install discs and they worked fine on his new hard
drive.

Copying disks is trivial. Copying programs is not trivial.

Yes, to some extent, but you may be knowing of drive imaging where you
can make a image of your current machine state, then load the image to
other computers so that you don't have to install the OS, programs and
other configurations. In lot of places, 1 image is created, then
deployed on 999 computers. Naturally, they get software program licenses
for the 1000 computers.

t wrote:
On 8/23/2012 6:02 PM, Paul wrote:
t wrote:
The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those
programs. So, the entire contents(data, application program like
Matlab, Labview, Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP
z200 workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on
the HP XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

1. Is there some data cable which will allow a quick copy from the
hard drive of XW4600 to z200? The user thinks using a data cable the
data, program files can be copied in 20 minutes. I know hard disk to
hard disk transfer using a cable copies data(not application
programs), but one disk needs to be set as slave and other as master.
Is there some other way where using a cable a quick copy(of data,
programs) can be done? If so, which data cable is used for it and how
is it done?

2. If the software route is chosen for cloning, do I need to make a
partition in the z200, then make an image of xw4600 to an external
hard drive using some tool like DriveImage XML V2.30
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
then copy the image from external hard drive to the partition on
z200, where the image can be extracted using DriveImage to get a
replica of the xw4600 contents on the z200? Or, did I miss something?

3. Are there any other free cloning software I should consider
besides the ones at
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...election_Guide


since the two computers have different operating systems, different
models? It is OK if the z200 needs to be wiped during the process
since it contains no data or programs.

Why alt.comp.hardware ?

This isn't a hardware question.

Since it involved making a clone of a hard disk from one computer model
to another, I thought if someone can offer some suggestions it would be
helpful. I posted in 24hoursupport.helpdesk, but that newsgroup seems
overwhelmed so my post did not appear.



I recommend finding the install discs for Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler.
And the license key information. You're going to need them.

The user got them few years back and does not even remember where they
are. He remembers, his neighbor using some data cable copied all his
contents(data, programs) from old to new hard drive within few minutes.
He did not need the install discs and they worked fine on his new hard
drive.

Copying disks is trivial. Copying programs is not trivial.

Yes, to some extent, but you may be knowing of drive imaging where you
can make a image of your current machine state, then load the image to
other computers so that you don't have to install the OS, programs and
other configurations. In lot of places, 1 image is created, then
deployed on 999 computers. Naturally, they get software program licenses
for the 1000 computers.


Let's take as an example, Windows licensing.

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

Notice how Windows keeps track of the hardware it's running on.
It knows, if you plug the disk into another computer, and try to
boot from it.

*******

You can clone disks with things like Macrium Reflect Free. Or, you can
go to wdc.com or seagate.com, and get their cloning software. The cloning
software works, as long as you have at least one Western Digital or
Seagate branded disk, respectively. (There are other disk brands,
but since WD and Seagate started buying up companies, there aren't
that many options left.)

Or, you can boot a Linux LiveCD, use GParted or even do a sector by sector
copy with "dd"

sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb

In that example, the target disk (sdb) would be the same size or bigger,
than the source disk (sda). I copy disks like that, all the time. If
the partitions need to be resized later, that's what a free partition
manager is for.

Just plop the two disks in the same computer, and copy one disk
to the other. No need for a "transfer cable". Open the side of
the machine, pop in the foreign disk, go to work...

That part is simple.

Moving expensive programs around, expect trouble.

(Or, spend your days downloading hacked copies off the Internet.
I'm sure your boss at work would be impressed by that.)

Paul

t wrote in
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Since it involved making a clone of a hard disk from one computer
model to another, I thought if someone can offer some suggestions it
would be helpful. I posted in 24hoursupport.helpdesk, but that
newsgroup seems overwhelmed so my post did not appear.


google "clonezilla" and check it out.
if you dont like that, find a copy of norton ghost.

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t wrote:

The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those programs.
So, the entire contents(data, application program like Matlab, Labview,
Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP z200
workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on the HP
XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

1. Is there some data cable which will allow a quick copy from the
hard drive of XW4600 to z200? The user thinks using a data cable the
data, program files can be copied in 20 minutes. I know hard disk to
hard disk transfer using a cable copies data(not application programs),
but one disk needs to be set as slave and other as master. Is there some
other way where using a cable a quick copy(of data, programs) can be
done? If so, which data cable is used for it and how is it done?

2. If the software route is chosen for cloning, do I need to make a
partition in the z200, then make an image of xw4600 to an external hard
drive using some tool like DriveImage XML V2.30
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
then copy the image from external hard drive to the partition on z200,
where the image can be extracted using DriveImage to get a replica of
the xw4600 contents on the z200? Or, did I miss something?

3. Are there any other free cloning software I should consider besides
the ones at
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...drive-imaging-
program.htm#Quick_Selection_Guide
since the two computers have different operating systems, different
models? It is OK if the z200 needs to be wiped during the process since
it contains no data or programs.

the first question i would ask what OS is the HP xw4600 running you did not
say if it was xp, vista or win7

On 2012-08-23, t wrote:
The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those programs.
So, the entire contents(data, application program like Matlab, Labview,
Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP z200
workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on the HP
XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

[...]

I recommend you get in touch with each of the software companies
involved and ask them for advice.

The license number is probably stored somewhere within each program,
and it should be possible to find it. Clicking on Help - About in each
program may do it.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Whiskers wrote:
On 2012-08-23, t wrote:
The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those programs.
So, the entire contents(data, application program like Matlab, Labview,
Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP z200
workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on the HP
XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

[...]

I recommend you get in touch with each of the software companies
involved and ask them for advice.

The license number is probably stored somewhere within each program,
and it should be possible to find it. Clicking on Help - About in each
program may do it.


You could try Belarc Advisor too.

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Paul

On 8/23/2012 11:03 PM, Paul wrote:
t wrote:
On 8/23/2012 6:02 PM, Paul wrote:
t wrote:
The HP xw4600 has lot of programs(like Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler) on it and there are no installation disks for those
programs. So, the entire contents(data, application program like
Matlab, Labview, Borland Compiler) need to be copied from it to the HP
z200 workstation(running Windows 7 64 bit). The total used capacity on
the HP XW4600 is 75GB and the HP z200 has a hard disk of 500GB

1. Is there some data cable which will allow a quick copy from the
hard drive of XW4600 to z200? The user thinks using a data cable the
data, program files can be copied in 20 minutes. I know hard disk to
hard disk transfer using a cable copies data(not application
programs), but one disk needs to be set as slave and other as master.
Is there some other way where using a cable a quick copy(of data,
programs) can be done? If so, which data cable is used for it and how
is it done?

2. If the software route is chosen for cloning, do I need to make a
partition in the z200, then make an image of xw4600 to an external
hard drive using some tool like DriveImage XML V2.30
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
then copy the image from external hard drive to the partition on
z200, where the image can be extracted using DriveImage to get a
replica of the xw4600 contents on the z200? Or, did I miss something?

3. Are there any other free cloning software I should consider
besides the ones at
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best...election_Guide


since the two computers have different operating systems, different
models? It is OK if the z200 needs to be wiped during the process
since it contains no data or programs.

Why alt.comp.hardware ?

This isn't a hardware question.

Since it involved making a clone of a hard disk from one computer
model to another, I thought if someone can offer some suggestions it
would be helpful. I posted in 24hoursupport.helpdesk, but that
newsgroup seems overwhelmed so my post did not appear.



I recommend finding the install discs for Matlab, Labview, Borland
Compiler.
And the license key information. You're going to need them.

The user got them few years back and does not even remember where they
are. He remembers, his neighbor using some data cable copied all his
contents(data, programs) from old to new hard drive within few
minutes. He did not need the install discs and they worked fine on his
new hard drive.

Copying disks is trivial. Copying programs is not trivial.

Yes, to some extent, but you may be knowing of drive imaging where you
can make a image of your current machine state, then load the image to
other computers so that you don't have to install the OS, programs and
other configurations. In lot of places, 1 image is created, then
deployed on 999 computers. Naturally, they get software program
licenses for the 1000 computers.


Let's take as an example, Windows licensing.

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

Notice how Windows keeps track of the hardware it's running on.
It knows, if you plug the disk into another computer, and try to
boot from it.

*******

You can clone disks with things like Macrium Reflect Free. Or, you can
go to wdc.com or seagate.com, and get their cloning software. The cloning
software works, as long as you have at least one Western Digital or
Seagate branded disk, respectively. (There are other disk brands,
but since WD and Seagate started buying up companies, there aren't
that many options left.)

Or, you can boot a Linux LiveCD, use GParted or even do a sector by sector
copy with "dd"

sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb

In that example, the target disk (sdb) would be the same size or bigger,
than the source disk (sda). I copy disks like that, all the time. If
the partitions need to be resized later, that's what a free partition
manager is for.

Just plop the two disks in the same computer, and copy one disk
to the other. No need for a "transfer cable". Open the side of
the machine, pop in the foreign disk, go to work...


Thanks

Moving expensive programs around, expect trouble.

Not exactly. There are ways you can make an image of your current
machine state. Say, your hard disk crashes after 2 months, you can get
another one and restore the image(which will have all programs you had
on your old drive). Yes, licensing issues exist, but as long as you have
a reasonable cause(like old hard drive failed), they can be resolved.
The idea is to get the things(data, programs) moved from old computer to
new one with minimum work. Cloning saves the work of reinstalling all
programs.

(Or, spend your days downloading hacked copies off the Internet.
I'm sure your boss at work would be impressed by that.)

Don't know what prompted that comment.

Paul