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Old April 16th 19, 01:19 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Flasherly[_2_]
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Default Congratulations! You are King of All Idiots' Day Fixes


AMD FX-Series FX-4100 Zambezi FD4100WMW4KGU Socket AM3+ 95W CPU

Burnt like hell when I touched the heatwick pipes.

That connector TOSLINK problem, I had to reseat the soundboard, after
first cutting a tin strip out between the backplane case PCI
connection slots. TOSLINK connection was being stopped from full
seating by the tin strip.

So - a triode sound-processing module's oversampling option was then
slowing processing down, initially, and stuttering. (What in the Holy
I Hell?)

So - after initially, Stage II, I'm getting USB file copy problems
(What in the Holy II Hell?)

Whereupon I thunked, hardly for a second, to grabbed aholt of the CPU
heatwick pipe, burning myself into the State of Blissful
Enlightenment.

A cable was in the fan blades and had stopped the CPU fan.

I've never done that before. My first time time up running a uncooled
CPU.

At least I know that's not good. Not anywhere near, but, still,
you've got to give credit where credit's due:

That IS one hell of an AMD CPU, used, and directly from the Singapore
market.

Overprovisioned for 3.8Ghz it has a reputation for a solid 4.4Ghz
overclocker.

I don't overclock much. What I strictly do, apparently, is to
overheat CPUs. Big Time. It read a 99C through the BIOS and was
apparently pegged.

It makes me so happy to be in the Golden Age of cheap computers.

In fact, if you're looking for a CPU you want to take a 2lb.-mallet
to, I'm your guy.
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Old April 16th 19, 05:35 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Congratulations! You are King of All Idiots' Day Fixes

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:19:11 PM UTC-4, Flasherly wrote:
AMD FX-Series FX-4100 Zambezi FD4100WMW4KGU Socket AM3+ 95W CPU

Burnt like hell when I touched the heatwick pipes.


In fact, if you're looking for a CPU you want to take a 2lb.-mallet
to, I'm your guy.


What is the maximum temperature of PCs now, about 100C? Boiling water hot?

RL
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Old April 16th 19, 05:49 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Congratulations! You are King of All Idiots' Day Fixes

RayLopez99 wrote:
On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:19:11 PM UTC-4, Flasherly wrote:
AMD FX-Series FX-4100 Zambezi FD4100WMW4KGU Socket AM3+ 95W CPU

Burnt like hell when I touched the heatwick pipes.


In fact, if you're looking for a CPU you want to take a 2lb.-mallet
to, I'm your guy.


What is the maximum temperature of PCs now, about 100C? Boiling water hot?

RL


That's the junction temperature max.

The heatpipes should not run that hot, because the
cooling fins bonded to them, provide some cooling
effect, and the pipe can't get quite as hot.

If the fan stops, then the pipe could rise to
closer to the junction temperature.

With the fan running, it really shouldn't go over
65C like Flasherly is proposing.

At around 20C more than Tjmax, the computer will shut
off via PROCHOT (hardware protection, no signal that
computer is going off is sent to the OS). That powers
off the ATX power supply by deasserting PSON.

If a heatpipe loses the cooling fluid inside, the
pipe cannot get as warm, as the copper doesn't
conduct nearly well enough to burn someone when the
pipe is empty. When the working fluid is present,
the liquid/vapor phase transfer is much more effective
at transmitting the heat out to the pipes.

If you overload a cooler, all the liquid in the pipes
is in the vapor phase, and cooling is again, reduced.
Make sure the cooler is intended for the applied load.
If you push 400W in an overclock, of course a 95W
cooler is going to be "overwhelmed". And the pumping
action in the pipes stops, because liquid can no longer
condense. Each heat pipe collection, has a "max power".

On my 156W processor, the CPU runs at 45C, and that's
because the cooler is *huge*. You won't find any scalding
pipes on that thing. But the cooler is so big, it's hard
to work inside the PC.

Paul
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Old April 16th 19, 08:34 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:35:12 -0700 (PDT), RayLopez99
wrote:

What is the maximum temperature of PCs now, about 100C? Boiling water
hot?

-

Yes. Last time I FELT that HOT, not long ago, I was a little
exasperated (****ed off). Either had conductive or soldering wires in
one hand -- in the other hand a 60W soldering iron.

I was fixing an The Exploding Espresso Maker. My Mr. Coffee's (tm)
cap to the boiler unit had exploded, off its threads, shooting itself
into the kitchen ceiling with terrific force, showering me hot water
under great pressure.

I've never had a cup of coffee that woke me up with quite the same
effect.

It was 2A-rated rocker switches, I was subsequently soldering, in-line
to bypass the burnt-out Mr. Coffee control switches, (I'd cut out of
the circuit). They were effectively melting under the coffee unit's
current draw, and I had to go to Hong Kong for similar 10-amp grade
inline rockers.

Anyway, second time up trying to get a 2amp switch, I grabbed the
soldering unit metal shaft, not the tip. I almost immediately
realized, that if I'm a ****ed tough guy, it won't keep my thumb from
displaying a burn blister for a couple weeks or more.

Did a beautiful job on the Mr. Coffee, though once I'd completely
disassembled it and modified, removed a significant portion of its
plastic casing with tin-snips, to where the boiler's top-half is
exposed. Home-made Italian grade, barista machine. (Replaced the
exploded cap with a complete espresso unit, one model up, used "as
new" from L.A. vis Ebay, for under $20. It was as-new and the cap
threads were almost a perfect replacement fit. No steam escapes).

Anyway, that's how I learned to exactly compare what it feels like to
stick a cable into the cooler fan of an AMD FX-4100, and then grab
aholt exactly where the copper heatwicking is the same temperature as
the CPU.
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Old April 16th 19, 08:51 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 00:49:03 -0400, Paul
wrote:

On my 156W processor, the CPU runs at 45C, and that's
because the cooler is *huge*. You won't find any scalding
pipes on that thing. But the cooler is so big, it's hard
to work inside the PC.


--

It's, probably, the wonders of AMD's (tm) "Cool and Quiet"
technology;- there's also another level of BIOS protection related to
the CPU feature interface, which momentarily escapes me.

That nonsense was going on far too long, even though I did track it
down when it began affecting more serious system components than a
sound-module's oversamping immediately evident.

I also turned on the BIOS "system wide" warning "middle" setting for
160F.

It's a very large cooler unit, a Cooler-Master, large enough that I
can't at all easily mount its fan for facing opposite, into the PS
Unit, thus and unfortunately, it's facing an array of jumbled SATA
cables arising from the MB.

I can however easily fabricate a make-shift fan cover for the cooler's
large clip-on. Aluminum from a rain-gutter, hammered out straight on
my 100lb. vice handle with a mallet, clamped to wood and drilled for
venting. Might even look "nice" after bothering to file sharp edges
down.

I could then trademark the aluminum cover and engrave IDIOT on it.
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Old April 16th 19, 10:35 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Congratulations! You are King of All Idiots' Day Fixes

W dniu 2019-04-16 o*02:19, Flasherly pisze:

AMD FX-Series FX-4100 Zambezi FD4100WMW4KGU Socket AM3+ 95W CPU

Burnt like hell when I touched the heatwick pipes.

That connector TOSLINK problem, I had to reseat the soundboard, after
first cutting a tin strip out between the backplane case PCI
connection slots. TOSLINK connection was being stopped from full
seating by the tin strip.

So - a triode sound-processing module's oversampling option was then
slowing processing down, initially, and stuttering. (What in the Holy
I Hell?)

So - after initially, Stage II, I'm getting USB file copy problems
(What in the Holy II Hell?)

Whereupon I thunked, hardly for a second, to grabbed aholt of the CPU
heatwick pipe, burning myself into the State of Blissful
Enlightenment.

A cable was in the fan blades and had stopped the CPU fan.

I've never done that before. My first time time up running a uncooled
CPU.

At least I know that's not good. Not anywhere near, but, still,
you've got to give credit where credit's due:

That IS one hell of an AMD CPU, used, and directly from the Singapore
market.

Overprovisioned for 3.8Ghz it has a reputation for a solid 4.4Ghz
overclocker.

I don't overclock much. What I strictly do, apparently, is to
overheat CPUs. Big Time. It read a 99C through the BIOS and was
apparently pegged.

It makes me so happy to be in the Golden Age of cheap computers.

In fact, if you're looking for a CPU you want to take a 2lb.-mallet
to, I'm your guy.


One word: Bulldozer.

And it was always like this (picrel).

--
Filip454
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