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IMHO (in my humble opinion):
(4) nVidia generation 4 (like the Ti4200) series were superior to ATi cards of the same gen. (5) ATi cards of generation 5 (especially 9600-9800) were superior to similar priced nVidia cards of same gen (FX5700-5900 etc) (6) nVidia cards of generation 6 (FX6800, etc) are superior to similar priced ATi cards of same gen (X800, etc) Now "superior" is a subjective term, heh. This "generation 6" of ATi cards, are horsepower monsters. But as far as technology goes, they are slightly behind nVidia in the Shader Model 3, DirectX 9.0c, and 32bit precision. In some applications (Half Life 2, supposedly, for one) you may get a FEW frames per second more out of your ATi card of this generation than comparable nVidia BUT there are also just as many (maybe more) games out there where the 6800 series is faster. And I'm talking about EXISTING GAMES. One reviewer described the latest ATi cards as "souped up 9800's". So yeah, for existing games, ATi and nVidia's latest are neck and neck with frames per second and image quality. But if you want to buy a card right now that will be usable further into the future, go with nVidia just because they put a bit more foreward-thinking technology into this generation. But if you are in no hurry, then wait because maybe ATi will leapfrog nVidia again, as they both seem to be doing lately. |
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I'm just going from nVidia to ATI now, having been an nVidia kid for the
last couple of years. The experience has not been good so far, but I am hopeful that all will turn out well in the end. Here's my Top 4 of things to watch out for, all of which are missing from the instruction manual: 1 - The ATI 9800 Pro (and probably any similarly powerful card) is a power hog. You'll need a big Power Supply Unit to get it to work, especially if you have a handful of peripherals such as more than one hard drive or CD/DVD drive. I'm upgrading my PSU from 300W to 450W and hoping this fixes it. This is just a theory though - you won't get a message telling you about this if you lack enough juice and you'll certainly find nothing in the manual on this. 2 - The installation instructions are seriously deficient. Perhaps they were written by someone in a hurry. There is NOTHING said at all about power, despite the fact that the PSU must be at least 350W, and especially given that there is a power socket on the card which needs to be plugged in! You just have to work it out for yourself. 3 - If you get any error messages during the install, good luck! They can be extremely cryptic, and ATI's support pleads total ignorance about them. I tried googling one ('SEVERE - Zero display service error'), and it seems a common error that nobody understands. Lots of people get it, but I have not found a single explanation as to what it means and how to avoid it. The error has been knocking around with ATI's drivers for at least 18 months, so the lack of resolution is very disappointing. 4 - General opinion seems to be that the drivers are buggy and unreliable. If the latest version doesn't work, Google for the previous version. If that doesn't work, Google again for the version before that. If that doesn't work, I've been told to try some Omega drivers for the card. As you can tell, I'm a bit frustrated by the gap between reality and hype here. Maybe I've just been unlucky. Maybe my card is actually broken. If it doesn't work by this time next week, I'm going back to nVidia... |
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In article , Ben C says...
1 - The ATI 9800 Pro (and probably any similarly powerful card) is a power hog. You'll need a big Power Supply Unit to get it to work, especially if you have a handful of peripherals such as more than one hard drive or CD/DVD drive. I'm upgrading my PSU from 300W to 450W and hoping this fixes it. This is just a theory though - you won't get a message telling you about this if you lack enough juice and you'll certainly find nothing in the manual on this. 2 - The installation instructions are seriously deficient. Perhaps they were written by someone in a hurry. There is NOTHING said at all about power, despite the fact that the PSU must be at least 350W, and especially given that there is a power socket on the card which needs to be plugged in! You just have to work it out for yourself. 3 - If you get any error messages during the install, good luck! They can be extremely cryptic, and ATI's support pleads total ignorance about them. I tried googling one ('SEVERE - Zero display service error'), and it seems a common error that nobody understands. Lots of people get it, but I have not found a single explanation as to what it means and how to avoid it. The error has been knocking around with ATI's drivers for at least 18 months, so the lack of resolution is very disappointing. 4 - General opinion seems to be that the drivers are buggy and unreliable. If the latest version doesn't work, Google for the previous version. If that doesn't work, Google again for the version before that. If that doesn't work, I've been told to try some Omega drivers for the card. As you can tell, I'm a bit frustrated by the gap between reality and hype here. Maybe I've just been unlucky. Maybe my card is actually broken. If it doesn't work by this time next week, I'm going back to nVidia... 1) No it isn't. I'm running a 9800 AIW on a Shuttle 200W PSU. It previously ran on a 350W PSU on a PC with 7 fans, 1GB RAM, XP3200, 2HDDs, 2 optical drives and neon lighting with a Coolermaster Aero 7 HSF. 2) Sorry but everything is like that. nVIDIA tell you because their latest gen cards are stupidly power hungry. 3) Situation normal for most hardware. 4) Situation normal since Win95 for most hardware. -- Conor Opinions personal, facts suspect. |
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Going from a Ti4200 to a 9800xt should have made a big difference.
Something is definitely wrong with your setup, regardless of your cpu. "Richard Cavell" wrote in message om.au... On 22/10/04 1:04 PM, GT-Force wrote: Hi, I had an nVidia (GeForce2 GTS), now I have an ATI card (9700 Pro), and I am thinking about going back to nVidia (6800GT). Is there anyone here that went to nVidia from ATI and regretted it? If so, what was the old and the new cards, and what were the issues? I went from a nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200 to an ATI Radeon 9800 XT, and I'm a bit disappointed. CounterStrike doesn't look one iota better, and my frame rates are only marginally improved and equally likely to slow down to a crawl during much activity. Softimage also doesn't appear to have improved much. |
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"Inglo" ioo@??.¿¿¿ wrote in message . com... On 10/21/2004 8:04 PM GT-Force brightened our day with: It's not like your divorcing your second wife to go back to the first. You also don't have to pay off the second company just to get it out of your life. |
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"GT-Force" wrote in message
.. . Hi, I had an nVidia (GeForce2 GTS), now I have an ATI card (9700 Pro), and I am thinking about going back to nVidia (6800GT). Is there anyone here that went to nVidia from ATI and regretted it? If so, what was the old and the new cards, and what were the issues? I recently replaced the Radeon 9500 Pro in my main PC with a GeForce 6800. Performance in games is good, but I have had to use beta drivers to achieve this, the 61.77 drivers on nVidia's site wouldn't even work with all of their tech demos, on my PC at least. Fine with the later betas. I have also had issues with explorer hanging since I installed this card. My last nVidia card was a GeForce 3 Ti200, which was superb - I had no driver issues with that. Since my first 'modern' ATI card, the original All In Wonder Radeon, my experience only is that ATI drivers have improved greatly, while I've not been so impressed with how nVidia are doing on that front right now. No flames please, just my experience... And I'm not intending to get rid of the 6800 any time soon. It's a good card, just not quite as reliable with current drivers than the 9500 Pro. JB |
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GT-Force wrote:
I had an nVidia (GeForce2 GTS), now I have an ATI card (9700 Pro), and I am thinking about going back to nVidia (6800GT). Is there anyone here that went to nVidia from ATI and regretted it? If so, what was the old and the new cards, and what were the issues? This could be nice troll. ;-) OK. I went from Club 3D ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128 MB to this new Gainward GeForce 6800 GT 256 MB Golden Sample. Believe or not but not so huge differents on FPS in UT2004. My computer is P4 2.8 GHz and I have 1 GB dual channel memery. I had problems with ATI. Huge problems. But I find whatta do to get work. After tree month!! You had to disable Fast Write on display settings. OpenGL was poor and DirectX9 some weird bugs on UT2004. Worms 3D crashed if I used Fast Write on blimp view. UT2004 crashed: I got black screen, went back to Windows Desktop, wait about 10 sec. and back to game; if Smart something was enabled. But after this bug-flashing-error I was dead man - of course. So, in Worms 3D: disable Fast Write In UT2004: disable Fast Write, use DirectX8 and enable trilinear filtering on games settings -- no probs. This 6800 is so new for me that I cannot say nothing bad - yet. Only it is very noisy when using both fans on full speed. This is now like a nuclear power station or something. =) |
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"James_" wrote in message ... "GT-Force" wrote in message .. . Hi, I had an nVidia (GeForce2 GTS), now I have an ATI card (9700 Pro), and I am thinking about going back to nVidia (6800GT). Is there anyone here that went to nVidia from ATI and regretted it? If so, what was the old and the new cards, and what were the issues? Thanks. GT I went from GF3 to 9700 pro/9800 pro to 6800GT, and I wish I stuck with ATI. The fonts look like cxrap on my system, so I had to switch to cleartype smoothing which give purple hazing on some text in games and other areas. As soon as ATI comes out with their next upgrade, I will be dumping this 6800GT. Eh? What the **** are you on about with font problems? Fonts look no different to my 9700Pro using my 6800GT PS I am using a dell P991 monitor |
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"Ben C" wrote in message ... I'm just going from nVidia to ATI now, having been an nVidia kid for the last couple of years. The experience has not been good so far, but I am hopeful that all will turn out well in the end. Here's my Top 4 of things to watch out for, all of which are missing from the instruction manual: 1 - The ATI 9800 Pro (and probably any similarly powerful card) is a power hog. You'll need a big Power Supply Unit to get it to work, especially if you have a handful of peripherals such as more than one hard drive or CD/DVD drive. I'm upgrading my PSU from 300W to 450W and hoping this fixes it. This is just a theory though - you won't get a message telling you about this if you lack enough juice and you'll certainly find nothing in the manual on this. 2 - The installation instructions are seriously deficient. Perhaps they were written by someone in a hurry. There is NOTHING said at all about power, despite the fact that the PSU must be at least 350W, and especially given that there is a power socket on the card which needs to be plugged in! You just have to work it out for yourself. 3 - If you get any error messages during the install, good luck! They can be extremely cryptic, and ATI's support pleads total ignorance about them. I tried googling one ('SEVERE - Zero display service error'), and it seems a common error that nobody understands. Lots of people get it, but I have not found a single explanation as to what it means and how to avoid it. The error has been knocking around with ATI's drivers for at least 18 months, so the lack of resolution is very disappointing. 4 - General opinion seems to be that the drivers are buggy and unreliable. If the latest version doesn't work, Google for the previous version. If that doesn't work, Google again for the version before that. If that doesn't work, I've been told to try some Omega drivers for the card. As you can tell, I'm a bit frustrated by the gap between reality and hype here. Maybe I've just been unlucky. Maybe my card is actually broken. If it doesn't work by this time next week, I'm going back to nVidia... |
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"Ben C" wrote in message ... I'm just going from nVidia to ATI now, having been an nVidia kid for the last couple of years. The experience has not been good so far, but I am hopeful that all will turn out well in the end. Here's my Top 4 of things to watch out for, all of which are missing from the instruction manual: 1 - The ATI 9800 Pro (and probably any similarly powerful card) is a power hog. You'll need a big Power Supply Unit to get it to work, especially if you have a handful of peripherals such as more than one hard drive or CD/DVD drive. I'm upgrading my PSU from 300W to 450W and hoping this fixes it. This is just a theory though - you won't get a message telling you about this if you lack enough juice and you'll certainly find nothing in the manual on this. 2 - The installation instructions are seriously deficient. Perhaps they were written by someone in a hurry. There is NOTHING said at all about power, despite the fact that the PSU must be at least 350W, and especially given that there is a power socket on the card which needs to be plugged in! You just have to work it out for yourself. 3 - If you get any error messages during the install, good luck! They can be extremely cryptic, and ATI's support pleads total ignorance about them. I tried googling one ('SEVERE - Zero display service error'), and it seems a common error that nobody understands. Lots of people get it, but I have not found a single explanation as to what it means and how to avoid it. The error has been knocking around with ATI's drivers for at least 18 months, so the lack of resolution is very disappointing. 4 - General opinion seems to be that the drivers are buggy and unreliable. If the latest version doesn't work, Google for the previous version. If that doesn't work, Google again for the version before that. If that doesn't work, I've been told to try some Omega drivers for the card. As you can tell, I'm a bit frustrated by the gap between reality and hype here. Maybe I've just been unlucky. Maybe my card is actually broken. If it doesn't work by this time next week, I'm going back to nVidia... 1. bollox. lots of people (including me) were (and stil are) running fine on decent PSUs. Althiugh I think it is reccomended ON THE BOX to have a 350W PSU, I am sure my Herc 9700Pro suggested this. 2. see 1 3. bollox again, first I heard of this and had ATI 9700Pro for 18months, I also frequented rage3d forums during this time. 4.this smells like hmm... bull****. why google for previous drivers when they are freely available from ATI's homepage. PS my graphics card history has been ati rage3d to 3dfx banshee to geforce 256 to geforece 256 ddr to gf 3 ti200 tot gf 4 ti 4200 to ATI 9700Pro to 6800GT. I will use an ATI again if they beat nvidia on £ to performance. |
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