Doom 3

Explain HOW it is stupid. I defy anyone to show harm to children from scary
images or nightmares. Saying it is stupid, doesn't make it so.

What do you think will happen if a kid sees Doom? Do you think they will
become Columbine killers? What are you afraid of exactly?


"Mickey Johnson" wrote in message
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wow, the reply below is so stupid it must be a flame.

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Mickster


"Eric" wrote in message
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A few nightmares is good for them. Will give them imagination. Stop
coddling our kids. Nightmares can be fun. Why do you think people
watch
scary movies.

Geez, I had no car seats, no helmets, movies weren't rated until later,
etc.
when I grew up -- I managed to live. I'm not institutionalized or
damaged.

Damn American kids are becoming the biggest pussies in the world. Oh
no,
they can't see sex --- oh no, they can't see violence.




"Mickey Johnson" wrote in message
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no they wouldn't implode, but I did see quite a few images that could
cause
nightmares. No need to push extreme violence on little kids when
there
are
plenty of other first person shooters that wouldn't be as 'scary'.

The game definitely needed a mature rating. Nothing wrong with that.

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Mickster

Visit my website and see my arcade!!

http://mickster.freeservers.com

"Eric" wrote in message
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"Mickey Johnson" wrote in message
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Very Very bloody, gothic horror game . I definitely would not let
little
kids play this game.

Why not? Would they implode upon seeing it? I don't understand
this
mentality of avoiding these images for little kids. I have never
seen
anything that it causes permanent harm. It is all in the mind of
the
parents. Relax.

I do. Again -- stop buying into the "family" politics of conservative
christians. There is no PROOF that seeing ANY images of ANY type does any
harm to anyone.

So what's the big deal?

And don't quote the bible.

"MarkJ" wrote in message
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Something tells me you dont have young children, not sure what :-|

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Eric wrote:
Explain HOW it is stupid. I defy anyone to show harm to children from
scary images or nightmares.

Your child not being able to get to sleep until dropping over from
exhaustion at 3am is plenty damage for most parents. Even if they couldn't
care less about the kid the fact that he's likely to be pestering them all
night cause he can't sleep is very motivating when it comes to excerting
some control over what the kid can and can't see.



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Frode

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You dont' know if they can't sleep from something till they see it. Maybe
they will be fine. If they see it and then can't sleep, then you know its
not for them (yet). Many kids sleep fine after seeing scary stuff. Some
don't. You find out how your kid handles it.


"Frode" wrote in message
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Eric wrote:
Explain HOW it is stupid. I defy anyone to show harm to children from
scary images or nightmares.

Your child not being able to get to sleep until dropping over from
exhaustion at 3am is plenty damage for most parents. Even if they couldn't
care less about the kid the fact that he's likely to be pestering them all
night cause he can't sleep is very motivating when it comes to excerting
some control over what the kid can and can't see.

To you there is no proof, anyone as polorized (on either side) as you
won't see anything but what they want to see.

Go ahead raise your kids that way, just don't tell me how to raise the kids
around me.

Also, when I was around 6-8 years old (I can't remember exactly). I saw a
small snippet of the movie psycho (when the killer is pacing in the basement
with the knife). That scared the crap out of me for YEARS. I definitely
lost sleep over it. Now did it hurt me at all, no, but it sure wasn't
entertaining. There was nothing positive about seeing that type of horror
at the age that I was.

Just because you have the freedom to do something doesn't mean it has to be
done. Go ahead rob your kids of their innocence, its more your loss than
anyone elses.

--
Mickster

Visit my website and see my arcade!!

http://mickster.freeservers.com

"Eric" wrote in message
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I do. Again -- stop buying into the "family" politics of conservative
christians. There is no PROOF that seeing ANY images of ANY type does any
harm to anyone.

So what's the big deal?

And don't quote the bible.

"MarkJ" wrote in message
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Something tells me you dont have young children, not sure what :-|

I'm not polarized. Just logical. All the parents screaming about violence
and sex is based not on any hard data. I'm willing to learn -- show me the
data. It really is usually insecure or uptight parents who themselves have
issues with sex and/or violence, who then push that off onto their kids.

I think if you explain to a kid that what they saw isn't real and doesn't
exist in real life -- they will be able to sleep through the night.
Perhaps you needed to talk to an adult after you saw psycho.

Then again, it scares many adults -- so what's the difference?

Do you really think Janet Jackson's one second nipple exposure caused any
harm to any kid? Its just crazy parents who THINK their precioius kid was
harmed -- or have themselves have issues with sex.

"Mickey Johnson" wrote in message
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To you there is no proof, anyone as polorized (on either side) as you
won't see anything but what they want to see.

Go ahead raise your kids that way, just don't tell me how to raise the
kids
around me.

Also, when I was around 6-8 years old (I can't remember exactly). I saw
a
small snippet of the movie psycho (when the killer is pacing in the
basement
with the knife). That scared the crap out of me for YEARS. I definitely
lost sleep over it. Now did it hurt me at all, no, but it sure wasn't
entertaining. There was nothing positive about seeing that type of horror
at the age that I was.

Just because you have the freedom to do something doesn't mean it has to
be
done. Go ahead rob your kids of their innocence, its more your loss than
anyone elses.

--
Mickster

You really are trying to widen the discussion, its not about sex, its not
about violence. Its just about what is too scary for some (not all kids).
Kids do not have the forthought to realize that they may be watching
something that will bother them later.

There is nothing wrong at all with Doom having a M rating.

--
Mickster

Visit my website and see my arcade!!

http://mickster.freeservers.com

"Eric" wrote in message
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I'm not polarized. Just logical. All the parents screaming about
violence
and sex is based not on any hard data. I'm willing to learn -- show me
the
data. It really is usually insecure or uptight parents who themselves
have
issues with sex and/or violence, who then push that off onto their kids.

I think if you explain to a kid that what they saw isn't real and doesn't
exist in real life -- they will be able to sleep through the night.
Perhaps you needed to talk to an adult after you saw psycho.

Then again, it scares many adults -- so what's the difference?

Do you really think Janet Jackson's one second nipple exposure caused any
harm to any kid? Its just crazy parents who THINK their precioius kid was
harmed -- or have themselves have issues with sex.

"Mickey Johnson" wrote in message
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To you there is no proof, anyone as polorized (on either side) as you
won't see anything but what they want to see.

Go ahead raise your kids that way, just don't tell me how to raise the
kids
around me.

Also, when I was around 6-8 years old (I can't remember exactly). I
saw
a
small snippet of the movie psycho (when the killer is pacing in the
basement
with the knife). That scared the crap out of me for YEARS. I definitely
lost sleep over it. Now did it hurt me at all, no, but it sure wasn't
entertaining. There was nothing positive about seeing that type of
horror
at the age that I was.

Just because you have the freedom to do something doesn't mean it has to
be
done. Go ahead rob your kids of their innocence, its more your loss
than
anyone elses.

--
Mickster

Ratings are for lazy parents who want the government (or industry in
question) to determine what is right for their kids. I pay ZERO attention
to ratings. I do read reviews though to find out what the movie is about
and what it portrays (or the game).


"Mickey Johnson" wrote in message
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You really are trying to widen the discussion, its not about sex, its not
about violence. Its just about what is too scary for some (not all kids).
Kids do not have the forthought to realize that they may be watching
something that will bother them later.

There is nothing wrong at all with Doom having a M rating.

--
Mickster

Visit my website and see my arcade!!

http://mickster.freeservers.com

"Eric" wrote in message
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I'm not polarized. Just logical. All the parents screaming about
violence
and sex is based not on any hard data. I'm willing to learn -- show me
the
data. It really is usually insecure or uptight parents who themselves
have
issues with sex and/or violence, who then push that off onto their kids.

I think if you explain to a kid that what they saw isn't real and
doesn't
exist in real life -- they will be able to sleep through the night.
Perhaps you needed to talk to an adult after you saw psycho.

Then again, it scares many adults -- so what's the difference?

Do you really think Janet Jackson's one second nipple exposure caused
any
harm to any kid? Its just crazy parents who THINK their precioius kid
was
harmed -- or have themselves have issues with sex.

"Mickey Johnson" wrote in message
...
To you there is no proof, anyone as polorized (on either side) as
you
won't see anything but what they want to see.

Go ahead raise your kids that way, just don't tell me how to raise the
kids
around me.

Also, when I was around 6-8 years old (I can't remember exactly). I
saw
a
small snippet of the movie psycho (when the killer is pacing in the
basement
with the knife). That scared the crap out of me for YEARS. I
definitely
lost sleep over it. Now did it hurt me at all, no, but it sure
wasn't
entertaining. There was nothing positive about seeing that type of
horror
at the age that I was.

Just because you have the freedom to do something doesn't mean it has
to
be
done. Go ahead rob your kids of their innocence, its more your loss
than
anyone elses.

--
Mickster

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Eric wrote:

You dont' know if they can't sleep from something till they see it.

You're right. But considering it's *your child* you do know the lil guy
better than anybody else on the planet. If you've raised the kid and still
have no idea where his limits are, you haven't been paying enough
attention.

My point being, kids have limits. You implied they do not. If one poster
states the game's not for young kids, then presumably that's based on his
personal experience and it's a guide to any other parent out there to at
least have a look at the game before putting it in the xmas stocking for
the young'un.



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Frode


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Eric wrote:
Ratings are for lazy parents who want the government (or industry in
question) to determine what is right for their kids.

Nobody's stopping you from buying an 18+ movie for your 6 year old. It's a
guide. If you'd rather pre-screen every movie and videogame on the market
to create a list of potential birthday gifts for your kid, go right ahead.
Most would rather have a ratings system to make it somewhat easier to see
what's worth a more thorough check before buying.

Is that lazy? Perhaps. But so is driving a car instead of walking.

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Frode


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