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CPU Scaling and New Video Cards
I hope this crosspost is ok. Ok here's my problem with where PC gaming is going. I built an AMD 1.53 GHZ machine w/ 512 megs of ram and a Geforce 3 Ti200 in 2002. Obviously this system is not ready for Far Cry and Doom III generation of games. Ok fine ... So can I just buy a new video card and expect my system to provide enough power to the new card? Or am I faced with having to build a 3+ GHZ system with faster bus speed in order to see my new video card pushed to its potential? For all of the reviews and benchmarking that's done, clearly nobody is addressing the CPU scaling issue enough. I don't care how the next gen of video cards is going to run on a 4 GHZ system! How will it run on 1, 1.4, 1.53, 1.8, 2.0 GHZ .. etc ... ??? |
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"Frodoh" wrote in message et... I hope this crosspost is ok. Ok here's my problem with where PC gaming is going. I built an AMD 1.53 GHZ machine w/ 512 megs of ram and a Geforce 3 Ti200 in 2002. Obviously this system is not ready for Far Cry and Doom III generation of games. Ok fine ... So can I just buy a new video card and expect my system to provide enough power to the new card? Or am I faced with having to build a 3+ GHZ system with faster bus speed in order to see my new video card pushed to its potential? For all of the reviews and benchmarking that's done, clearly nobody is addressing the CPU scaling issue enough. I don't care how the next gen of video cards is going to run on a 4 GHZ system! How will it run on 1, 1.4, 1.53, 1.8, 2.0 GHZ .. etc ... ??? You know you could always wait until Doom 3 to see what it *really* needs...just an idea... |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:20:25 GMT, "Frodoh" wrote:
So can I just buy a new video card and expect my system to provide enough power to the new card? Or am I faced with having to build a 3+ GHZ system with faster bus speed in order to see my new video card pushed to its potential? Pretty much. I have the same card as you, with an Athlon 2000 XP, and am looking at upgrading CPU, gfx card, mobe and case, all at the same time. There;s no real point in me just getting a new card, as my CPU wouldn't be able to shove the data across fast enough (although I would probably see a small improvement). It's a PITA, but there you have it. -- Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes ! They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses ! And what's with all the carrots ? What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ? Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES ! |
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hasn't it always been like this? p2-400 or 1ghz etc etc. If you want to play
the latest and greatest you'll have to upgrade eventually. "Frodoh" wrote in message et... I hope this crosspost is ok. Ok here's my problem with where PC gaming is going. I built an AMD 1.53 GHZ machine w/ 512 megs of ram and a Geforce 3 Ti200 in 2002. Obviously this system is not ready for Far Cry and Doom III generation of games. Ok fine ... So can I just buy a new video card and expect my system to provide enough power to the new card? Or am I faced with having to build a 3+ GHZ system with faster bus speed in order to see my new video card pushed to its potential? For all of the reviews and benchmarking that's done, clearly nobody is addressing the CPU scaling issue enough. I don't care how the next gen of video cards is going to run on a 4 GHZ system! How will it run on 1, 1.4, 1.53, 1.8, 2.0 GHZ .. etc ... ??? |
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firingsquad.com has cpu scaling benchmarks
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New cards almost always NEED a fast CPU to "push" them. Take a look at Toms'
Hardware. They have several charts (benchmarks) with the same video card, using a slower CPU, and faster CPU. The same video card can gain as much as 25% (or more) performance just by having a faster CPU pumping out the data. "Phil" wrote in message ... "Frodoh" wrote in message et... I hope this crosspost is ok. Ok here's my problem with where PC gaming is going. I built an AMD 1.53 GHZ machine w/ 512 megs of ram and a Geforce 3 Ti200 in 2002. Obviously this system is not ready for Far Cry and Doom III generation of games. Ok fine ... So can I just buy a new video card and expect my system to provide enough power to the new card? Or am I faced with having to build a 3+ GHZ system with faster bus speed in order to see my new video card pushed to its potential? For all of the reviews and benchmarking that's done, clearly nobody is addressing the CPU scaling issue enough. I don't care how the next gen of video cards is going to run on a 4 GHZ system! How will it run on 1, 1.4, 1.53, 1.8, 2.0 GHZ .. etc ... ??? You know you could always wait until Doom 3 to see what it *really* needs...just an idea... |
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Yes this has always been the case. But prior upgrades were at least making
Windows and other applications faster. Now many of us will be junking our already fast systems to no other benefit than blowing away Carmack's new zombies at decent framerates. LOL Xbox 2 anyone? "PEACEMAKER" wrote in message ogers.com... hasn't it always been like this? p2-400 or 1ghz etc etc. If you want to play the latest and greatest you'll have to upgrade eventually. "Frodoh" wrote in message et... I hope this crosspost is ok. Ok here's my problem with where PC gaming is going. I built an AMD 1.53 GHZ machine w/ 512 megs of ram and a Geforce 3 Ti200 in 2002. Obviously this system is not ready for Far Cry and Doom III generation of games. Ok fine ... So can I just buy a new video card and expect my system to provide enough power to the new card? Or am I faced with having to build a 3+ GHZ system with faster bus speed in order to see my new video card pushed to its potential? For all of the reviews and benchmarking that's done, clearly nobody is addressing the CPU scaling issue enough. I don't care how the next gen of video cards is going to run on a 4 GHZ system! How will it run on 1, 1.4, 1.53, 1.8, 2.0 GHZ .. etc ... ??? |
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"Frodoh" wrote in message
et... " For all of the reviews and benchmarking that's done, clearly nobody is addressing the CPU scaling issue enough. I don't care how the next gen of video cards is going to run on a 4 GHZ system! How will it run on 1, 1.4, 1.53, 1.8, 2.0 GHZ .. etc ... ??? " Many are familiar with the following article: http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index.html . If they were to also span a number of CPUs, then it would be so much more work for them. Would you also suggest they span a number of memory combinations and motherboards? A review of 30 graphics card, 30 CPUs, 30 memory combinations and 30 motherboards would turn into 30x30x30x30=810,000 system combinations. Then times that by each test and you're looking at millions, which is decades of work for one review. In order to properly test graphics cards in a short space of time they have to limit the query of other hardware factors being a bottleneck, which is why they use fast systems. As for the Far Cry / Doom3 / HL2 issue, you have three choices: 1) Leave your system as it is, 2) Upgrade your system, 3) Buy / build a new system. Given that you have a 266FSB Athlon XP 1800+ (according to your stated 1.53Ghz), then your motherboard should take a 2400+ (or a 266FSB 2600+). Upgrading to 2x 512MB PC2100 would also help, and then you can decide what you want to do about a graphics card. Given that Nvidia have made *the biggest generation-to-generation performance leap that we have ever seen with a new GPU*, then it won't be long after the 6800 release that the current high-end cards drop dramatically in price. If game developers want to sell games, then they can't just make them playable on the highest-spec systems. |
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Jumpkick wrote:
firingsquad.com has cpu scaling benchmarks You guys have to take these games with a grain of salt. Sure, they're the latest and greatest craze now (or will be), but what about after them? If you have the money to upgrade, upgrade to a system thats at least 2 years in advance, so that by the time the developers catch up your system has found its niche. A lot of software can be tweaked to accomodate what needs to be accomodated. Look at Windows XP. Sure, it says it requires a 350mhz processor with 256mb of ram.... but once you turn off all the bull****, what do you have? Voila! And the Dawn demo that supposedly required a Geforce FX to run? Weeks later, college kids had it running on a Radeon... and running BETTER at that. A patch was later released for the Geforce 4 and lower series to emulate an FX... didn't do a bad job either. Software will always be behind hardware in development. Intel has the capability of developing 20 different processors by the time a new version of Windows comes out. If they worked together... we'd have a lot better performance. |
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"Sept1967" sept1967@highstream.(Erase)net wrote in message ... New cards almost always NEED a fast CPU to "push" them. Take a look at Toms' Hardware. They have several charts (benchmarks) with the same video card, using a slower CPU, and faster CPU. The same video card can gain as much as 25% (or more) performance just by having a faster CPU pumping out the data. I was just saying that if he wants to play Doom 3 to the best possible rate, its worth waiting to see what it actually needs, there's nothing really been confirmed yet. |
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