Maxtor hard drives fail too soon.

Thagor wrote:

kony wrote in
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:29:39 GMT, Thagor
wrote:


kony wrote in
:


That part about "understand or believe it" reads a bit like
BS. If you have any facts please present them, otherwise we
have no reason to believe this questionable comment.


Who is "we"? Have you been elected to represent this entire newgroup?
Anyway, you want facts? Go get them. Don't expect me to hand it to you on
a platter. The newsgroups are full of comments from people with various
experiences. None of these people are required to write extensively to
help you understand. Furthermore, and I thought I made this point
previously, you have the freedom to believe what you wish. I am happy
with that, aren't you?

Oh for Pete's sake, he simply asked you to provide some details as to what
*you* meant in what you say *you* saw. As in "Of all the drives I've
opened, the newer maxtors appear cheap of craftsmanship and quality."

There is no way to 'research' it other than to ask *you*, which is what he did.

And he's correct. If you can't provide anything about how you arrived at
the conclusion then there's no way for anyone else to even understand what
you mean by it (such as how you define "cheap of craftsmanship and quality"
and what you consider an indication of such), much less 'believe' it.

David Maynard wrote:
Thagor wrote:

kony wrote in
:

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:29:39 GMT, Thagor
wrote:


kony wrote in
:


That part about "understand or believe it" reads a bit like
BS. If you have any facts please present them, otherwise we
have no reason to believe this questionable comment.



Who is "we"? Have you been elected to represent this entire newgroup?
Anyway, you want facts? Go get them. Don't expect me to hand it to you
on a platter. The newsgroups are full of comments from people with
various experiences. None of these people are required to write
extensively to help you understand. Furthermore, and I thought I made
this point previously, you have the freedom to believe what you wish.
I am happy with that, aren't you?


Oh for Pete's sake, he simply asked you to provide some details as to
what *you* meant in what you say *you* saw. As in "Of all the drives
I've opened, the newer maxtors appear cheap of craftsmanship and quality."

There is no way to 'research' it other than to ask *you*, which is what
he did.

And he's correct. If you can't provide anything about how you arrived at
the conclusion then there's no way for anyone else to even understand
what you mean by it (such as how you define "cheap of craftsmanship and
quality" and what you consider an indication of such), much less
'believe' it.


Thanks for saying what most of us have been thinking, David :-)

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spodosaurus wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Thagor wrote:

kony wrote in
:

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:29:39 GMT, Thagor
wrote:


kony wrote in
:



That part about "understand or believe it" reads a bit like
BS. If you have any facts please present them, otherwise we
have no reason to believe this questionable comment.




Who is "we"? Have you been elected to represent this entire newgroup?
Anyway, you want facts? Go get them. Don't expect me to hand it to
you on a platter. The newsgroups are full of comments from people
with various experiences. None of these people are required to write
extensively to help you understand. Furthermore, and I thought I made
this point previously, you have the freedom to believe what you wish.
I am happy with that, aren't you?



Oh for Pete's sake, he simply asked you to provide some details as to
what *you* meant in what you say *you* saw. As in "Of all the drives
I've opened, the newer maxtors appear cheap of craftsmanship and
quality."

There is no way to 'research' it other than to ask *you*, which is
what he did.

And he's correct. If you can't provide anything about how you arrived
at the conclusion then there's no way for anyone else to even
understand what you mean by it (such as how you define "cheap of
craftsmanship and quality" and what you consider an indication of
such), much less 'believe' it.


Thanks for saying what most of us have been thinking, David :-)


You're welcome.

For a brief fleeting moment there I thought we might get some inside, pun
intended, information.

Looker007 wrote:
critcher wrote:

all these problems probably arise from a change of manufacturing
country i.e. China or some other technologicaly cheap country, parts
of every concievable piece of electrical and mechanical equipment are
now being sourced from China by greedy profit making manufacturers.
Remember when Korea, Taiwan and Japan had their boom years.

"John Corliss" wrote in message
...

Most people depend greatly on their hard drive(s) to be (a) reliable
and safe media for storing those files. Well, if you have a Maxtor
hard drive and tend to not back up your stuff, you might want to
think about doing so on either CD, DVD or on a backup hard drive made
by another manufacturer. Here is why:

I'd grown very concerned when Bill O'Brien (of Computer Shopper's
"Hard Edge" fame) at:

http://www.realtechnews.com/

had spoken out against Maxtor, citing the multiple failures he'd
experienced with drives from that manufacturer. Not only that, but
readers of Bill's blog have flooded him with tales of similar woe.

Seems that my concern was very warranted since after less than two
years of usage, my Maxtor Diamondmax Plus ATA 100/60 GB hard drive
has totally failed. Initially the drive started making a clacking
noise at startup and when accessing data. Then the hard drive light
remained on, the master file table got corrupted and finally the
drive crapped out entirely - dead as a doornail.

Luckily I lost no data since, besides backing up to CDR, I always run
two hard drives and use the slave as a backup clone of the master.
I'd just updated the clone too. The bad news is that the hard drive
I'm totally relying on at this point is an IBM Deskstar ATA/100 60
GB, which it seems from a lot that I've read, is similarly
unreliable. Not only that, but it's at the end of the apparent
lifespan attributed to it by several of the negative reviews it's
received.

During a phone conversation with my computer company's head of
technical support (both company and person will remain unnamed), he
told me his observations had led to the conclusion that Maxtor hard
drives are *very* unreliable and that Seagate drives are the way to
go. He also warned me that his experience has shown that the IBM
Deskstar which came with my computer will be about as reliable as my
Maxtor turned out to be.

Note that I don't hold my computer company responsible for this
problem since hard drive life spans only become apparent after
several years have passed since a particular model's introduction.
Not only that, but the person referred to above was right out front
about all this.

And yeah, I could send the Maxtor back to the company and get a
"free" replacement but because the drive still holds personal data
that can be recovered, that's not going to happen. It's probably a
safe assumption that Maxtor is very aware such concerns by its
customers and depends on this to alleviate their responsibility.

Not only that, but the three year warranty that I obtained with the
drive no longer exists on their new drives which only come with a
meager one year warranty. So basically, what Maxtor seems to be
saying is that you should expect your hard drive to fail after only a
year of use and that you should be expected to replace it at least
that often. What total bull**** and Maxtor will go the way of the
dodo, I'm sure.

I have a Seagate on order and am hoping that the IBM "Deathstar" will
hold out until it arrives. In the mean time though, I'm religiously
backing up to CD.

Hey, believe what you want though.... it's your data. Still, you've
been warned.

--
Regards from John Corliss




In part I would have to agree. It's to bad that the west (United States
and Canada) can't compete with these products. More and more it's hard
to find many products with the "Made In" USA/Canada tag.

So stop voting in the neo-liberals!

I had a 250 GB Maxtor One Touch drive fail 1½ weeks after the waranty
lapsed and Maxtor would not replace it. I've had numerous Maxtor
drives failures in the PCs I support.

I will never buy another Maxtor drive. I have heard that Hitachi
drives are very good.

Jerre



On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:59:01 -0800, John Corliss
wrote:

Most people depend greatly on their hard drive(s) to be (a) reliable and
safe media for storing those files. Well, if you have a Maxtor hard
drive and tend to not back up your stuff, you might want to think about
doing so on either CD, DVD or on a backup hard drive made by another
manufacturer. Here is why:

I'd grown very concerned when Bill O'Brien (of Computer Shopper's "Hard
Edge" fame) at:

http://www.realtechnews.com/

had spoken out against Maxtor, citing the multiple failures he'd
experienced with drives from that manufacturer. Not only that, but
readers of Bill's blog have flooded him with tales of similar woe.

Seems that my concern was very warranted since after less than two years
of usage, my Maxtor Diamondmax Plus ATA 100/60 GB hard drive has totally
failed. Initially the drive started making a clacking noise at startup
and when accessing data. Then the hard drive light remained on, the
master file table got corrupted and finally the drive crapped out
entirely - dead as a doornail.

Luckily I lost no data since, besides backing up to CDR, I always run
two hard drives and use the slave as a backup clone of the master. I'd
just updated the clone too. The bad news is that the hard drive I'm
totally relying on at this point is an IBM Deskstar ATA/100 60 GB, which
it seems from a lot that I've read, is similarly unreliable. Not only
that, but it's at the end of the apparent lifespan attributed to it by
several of the negative reviews it's received.

During a phone conversation with my computer company's head of technical
support (both company and person will remain unnamed), he told me his
observations had led to the conclusion that Maxtor hard drives are
*very* unreliable and that Seagate drives are the way to go. He also
warned me that his experience has shown that the IBM Deskstar which came
with my computer will be about as reliable as my Maxtor turned out to be.

Note that I don't hold my computer company responsible for this problem
since hard drive life spans only become apparent after several years
have passed since a particular model's introduction. Not only that, but
the person referred to above was right out front about all this.

And yeah, I could send the Maxtor back to the company and get a "free"
replacement but because the drive still holds personal data that can be
recovered, that's not going to happen. It's probably a safe assumption
that Maxtor is very aware such concerns by its customers and depends on
this to alleviate their responsibility.

Not only that, but the three year warranty that I obtained with the
drive no longer exists on their new drives which only come with a meager
one year warranty. So basically, what Maxtor seems to be saying is that
you should expect your hard drive to fail after only a year of use and
that you should be expected to replace it at least that often. What
total bull**** and Maxtor will go the way of the dodo, I'm sure.

I have a Seagate on order and am hoping that the IBM "Deathstar" will
hold out until it arrives. In the mean time though, I'm religiously
backing up to CD.

Hey, believe what you want though.... it's your data. Still, you've been
warned.

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:43:06 GMT, kony wrote:

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:29:39 GMT, Thagor
wrote:

kony wrote in
m:

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 01:48:28 GMT, Thagor
wrote:



I have the job of removing platters from these defective drives for
security reasons. Of all the drives I've opened, the newer maxtors
appear cheap of craftsmanship and quality.

Cheap craftsmanship and quality in what ways, exactly?

I could write several paragraphs here and you still would not understand
or believe it so you can take my word on it or seek first hand experience
by hands-on. I have no problem at all if you go out right now and buy a
ton of these drives. And good luck!


That part about "understand or believe it" reads a bit like
BS. If you have any facts please present them, otherwise we
have no reason to believe this questionable comment.

I've heard many stories about these drives crashing after as little as
a year.
That said I'm running a 80gb Maxtor ultra sata that's been in this
machine for just over two years now and it's still going strong.(I run
the crap out of it as well, doing video editing with it.)