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Windows server 2003 licencing
We have a LAN with 10 servers and 30 users/workstations. The workstations are all running legal copies of XP, but the former IT guy put pirated copies of Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition on the servers. I have been given the task of making us legal. Given the above, what would be the best licencing scheme? Microsoft seems to have a jillion possibilities, and I don't want to over-pay. |
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"Nobody" wrote in message ... We have a LAN with 10 servers and 30 users/workstations. The workstations are all running legal copies of XP, but the former IT guy put pirated copies of Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition on the servers. I have been given the task of making us legal. Given the above, what would be the best licencing scheme? Microsoft seems to have a jillion possibilities, and I don't want to over-pay. the first thing you want to do is get a open license agreement / account from a certified reseller or MS online. You can get all the media you want for basically the shipping costs, and you can manage your own licensing online. learn more he http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/p...n/default.mspx - LC |
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"Nut Cracker" wrote Given the above, what would be the best licencing scheme? Microsoft seems to have a jillion possibilities, and I don't want to over-pay. the first thing you want to do is get a open license agreement / account from a certified reseller or MS online. You can get all the media you want for basically the shipping costs, and you can manage your own licensing online. learn more he http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/p...n/default.mspx - LC Respect dude - that is a spot-on answer. I would go down the Certified Reseller route - the "Certfied" should mean that you are talking to someone who has done training + an exam on MS licensing options, and is able to find the best MS licensing deal for you. |
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Jez T wrote: "Nut Cracker" wrote Given the above, what would be the best licencing scheme? Microsoft seems to have a jillion possibilities, and I don't want to over-pay. the first thing you want to do is get a open license agreement / account from a certified reseller or MS online. You can get all the media you want for basically the shipping costs, and you can manage your own licensing online. learn more he http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/p...n/default.mspx - LC Respect dude - that is a spot-on answer. I would go down the Certified Reseller route - the "Certfied" should mean that you are talking to someone who has done training + an exam on MS licensing options, and is able to find the best MS licensing deal for you. I also agree with the above. HP and Dell have such individuals. HP often has very good prices on Microsoft licensing, and Dell has some very knowledgable people on their help desk. I had a quaestion a while back about licensing for virtual servers on a Core Duo and they had the answer at their fingertips. Please post the answer you get so that in the future people can learn from your experience. |
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Windows server 2003 licencing
Guy Macon http://www.guymacon.com/ wrote: Jez T wrote: "Nut Cracker" wrote Given the above, what would be the best licencing scheme? Microsoft seems to have a jillion possibilities, and I don't want to over-pay. the first thing you want to do is get a open license agreement / account from a certified reseller or MS online. You can get all the media you want for basically the shipping costs, and you can manage your own licensing online. learn more he http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/p...n/default.mspx - LC Respect dude - that is a spot-on answer. I would go down the Certified Reseller route - the "Certfied" should mean that you are talking to someone who has done training + an exam on MS licensing options, and is able to find the best MS licensing deal for you. I also agree with the above. HP and Dell have such individuals. HP often has very good prices on Microsoft licensing, and Dell has some very knowledgable people on their help desk. I had a quaestion a while back about licensing for virtual servers on a Core Duo and they had the answer at their fingertips. Please post the answer you get so that in the future people can learn from your experience. I was talking to Dell about another issue today, and asked them about the price. Microsoft Windows Server 2003 R2 standard edition with no "software assurance" (buy future versions, pay now) will run you about $650 per server. Have you considered Linux? -- Guy Macon http://www.guymacon.com/ |
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Windows server 2003 licencing
"Nobody" wrote in message
... We have a LAN with 10 servers and 30 users/workstations. The workstations are all running legal copies of XP, but the former IT guy put pirated copies of Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition on the servers. I have been given the task of making us legal. Given the above, what would be the best licencing scheme? Microsoft seems to have a jillion possibilities, and I don't want to over-pay. What applications are running on each server? I'm pretty fond of the Web Server Edition of Windows 2003. Microsoft wants you to believe it is only a web server, but in our experience it is a wonderful application server. Regarding open licensing, I think that makes sense if you are a big company that values clean business processes more than you value money. But it looks to me that open licensing is really about account control. I personally prefer to get the licenses with the servers, because in Microsoft's business model they price the OEM software to the hardware maker at about 1/2 of the price of the retail or open license software. The ugly truth is that Microsoft's monopoly is quickly leading us to a place where the software license has as much or more value than the hardware it runs on. So if you pinch pennies you don't lose opportunities to buy such expensive software at implicit 50% discounts. -- Will |
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Will wrote: Regarding open licensing, I think that makes sense if you are a big company that values clean business processes more than you value money. Even for a small company, bending the rules could end up costing more than following them. Doing illegal things to save money put a bad taste in many business owner's mouths. But it looks to me that open licensing is really about account control. I personally prefer to get the licenses with the servers, because in Microsoft's business model they price the OEM software to the hardware maker at about 1/2 of the price of the retail or open license software. The ugly truth is that Microsoft's monopoly is quickly leading us to a place where the software license has as much or more value than the hardware it runs on. Alas, most servers purchased used on eBay don't have Windows 2003 R2 licences included. They are great Linux boxes, though. I'm pretty fond of the Web Server Edition of Windows 2003. Microsoft wants you to believe it is only a web server, but in our experience it is a wonderful application server. Alas, that isn't allowed if you are part of a corporation that does not bend the rules. "Windows Server 2003 Web Edition, can be used solely to deploy Web pages, Web sites, Web applications, and Web services." "Installations of non-Web serving applications are prohibited" http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...w/web.mspx#ELD |
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Windows server 2003 licencing
"Guy Macon" http://www.guymacon.com/ wrote in message
... Regarding open licensing, I think that makes sense if you are a big company that values clean business processes more than you value money. Even for a small company, bending the rules could end up costing more than following them. Doing illegal things to save money put a bad taste in many business owner's mouths. I'm offended by this remark. I never once suggested that anyone should bend rules. What I did say, and what is true, is that licenses purchased *LEGALLY* with the computer are cheaper. And I'm NOT referring to bootleg software that some jerk hacked onto a used computer. I'm referring to LEGAL licenses that Microsoft has sold to an OEM for use with that specific piece of hardware. These are license with the Microsoft COA directly attached to the box. Whether it is common knowledge or not, Microsoft steeply discounts the software licenses that are pre-installed with the COA onto each box. The retail and open licenses always cost more. I'm pretty fond of the Web Server Edition of Windows 2003. Microsoft wants you to believe it is only a web server, but in our experience it is a wonderful application server. Alas, that isn't allowed if you are part of a corporation that does not bend the rules. What an amazing act of stupidity on Microsoft's part. We were going to standardize on Windows Server 2003 Web Edition for end user desktops, and in the process we were prepared to spend 100% more for those licenses than the Windows XP licenses. Now Microsoft is in effect cutting themselves out of every opportunity for such an upgrade by wrongly assuming that every customer for the Web Edition was using it as a server. That's what happens when a company gets too many lawyers and starts to micro manage every decision a customer makes. They cut themselves out of upside opportunities as often as they do maximize their self interest. All I ever hear from Microsoft customers these days is how offensive the transfer rules are with Vista, and I would say the above restriction is similarly offensive. I mean Microsoft is certainly welcome to limit which OS its own applications can run on, but to limit what third party applications can run on each OS is wacko, not to mention anti competitive in an extremely mean-spirited way. I feel enormous frustration on hearing such restrictions, and I start to feel that Microsoft is starting to develop an extremely malicious intent towards its customers. -- Will |
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"Guy Macon" http://www.guymacon.com/ wrote in message
... "Windows Server 2003 Web Edition, can be used solely to deploy Web pages, Web sites, Web applications, and Web services." By the way, until you mentioned this (and I guess I should thank you for it), I never knew that there were actual licensing restrictions on third party applications. What's particularly frustrating for me is that we have had multiple open trouble tickets with Microsoft for that OS, some of which had Microsoft techs logging into the machine, and never once did anyone mention those restrictions. Now I'm faced with rolling back an entire year of planned upgrades, and I'm really depressed at the thought that we are now stuck with Windows 2000 indefinitely. -- Will |
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Windows server 2003 licencing
"Will" wrote in message ... "Guy Macon" http://www.guymacon.com/ wrote in message ... "Windows Server 2003 Web Edition, can be used solely to deploy Web pages, Web sites, Web applications, and Web services." By the way, until you mentioned this (and I guess I should thank you for it), I never knew that there were actual licensing restrictions on third party applications. What's particularly frustrating for me is that we have had multiple open trouble tickets with Microsoft for that OS, some of which had Microsoft techs logging into the machine, and never once did anyone mention those restrictions. Now I'm faced with rolling back an entire year of planned upgrades, and I'm really depressed at the thought that we are now stuck with Windows 2000 indefinitely. -- Will why would you even consider putting a server OS on a desktop? I am curious as to the determination process that resulted in the decision to put 2003 Web Edition as the standard OS on your enduser desktops .. - LC |
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