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Howdy!
"127.0.0.1" wrote in message ... X-No-Archive: yes Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. Due to your processor being approximately 2.4GHz ... past that, the timing loops in Win98 get to where they "divide by zero" causing it to lock up. I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to put a fresh install of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all PCI cards and it still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in. May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes ??? Doesn't like the 3.06GHz. Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now. BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this bug is only on win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE. Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? Put the 1.7 back in. Or dump 98SE. RwP |
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There's a lot of activity here and I'm not sure if someone else has already
posted your solution but here it is...sorry if I'm duplicating someone else's post: Here's some cut and paste from Microsoft's site: SYMPTOMS When you are installing Windows 95 or Windows 98 on a computer that has a CPU that runs at 2.2 gigahertz (GHz) or faster, you may receive the following error message: While initializing device NDIS: Windows protection error CAUSE The timing calibration code in the Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS) driver causes a divide by zero if the CPU runs at 2.2 GHz or faster. This problem does not occur with CPUs that run at 2.1 GHz or slower. Go to this link on Microsoft's tech site: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108 Download the updated NDIS driver he http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;243199 or he http://support.microsoft.com/default...EN-US;CNTACTMS The update is only 217kb and I have it so let me know if you have problems downloading and I can send it to ya. After loading the update you should be good to load Win98. Baad Boy |
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....I meant, you can load (Win98 SE) after the update. (Win98) has a fix but
I could never find it--just a lot of sites claiming to have it for a sum of money. "Baad Boy" wrote in message ... There's a lot of activity here and I'm not sure if someone else has already posted your solution but here it is...sorry if I'm duplicating someone else's post: Here's some cut and paste from Microsoft's site: SYMPTOMS When you are installing Windows 95 or Windows 98 on a computer that has a CPU that runs at 2.2 gigahertz (GHz) or faster, you may receive the following error message: While initializing device NDIS: Windows protection error CAUSE The timing calibration code in the Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS) driver causes a divide by zero if the CPU runs at 2.2 GHz or faster. This problem does not occur with CPUs that run at 2.1 GHz or slower. Go to this link on Microsoft's tech site: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108 Download the updated NDIS driver he http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;243199 or he http://support.microsoft.com/default...EN-US;CNTACTMS The update is only 217kb and I have it so let me know if you have problems downloading and I can send it to ya. After loading the update you should be good to load Win98. Baad Boy |
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127.0.0.1 wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes The graphics card is the only thing I cant eliminate from this problem because I dont have another spare one around. Change it to the generic VGA driver in safe mode and then see if it will boot into normal mode with that one. Although, as I think back over the thread, you said windows98 WAS working on it with the old processor and that the only thing different is the 3 gig P4? I'd put that ndis fix in that kony found straight off. Just copy it into \windows\system\, overwriting the one that's there, in safe mode. Its not an NDIS problem - I copied it a couple of times and it still did the same thing. What happens on a fresh install is - When everything is setup its going to boot into windows for the first time it will start detecting plug and play hardware. That is the point it will freeze. It doesn't crash on the screen where it asks you to login. As soon as I login it does its detection and crashes. Firstly it looks for a plug and play monitor and asks for the drivers but im fairly sure thats not whats crashing it - its something else as its crashed during various stages of the PnP detection. Ah. OK. Now THAT might be an inducement to get a new motherboard, to use the hyperthreading, but then you'd need to run XP for that too. Anyone else running WIN98SE on a processor with Hyper Threading (3.06Ghz + ) - and does it work (with HT disabled - I know the OS doesnt support it) ? Ok. I did some looking around, and it ain't easy to find folks trying to run Win98se on P4s that fast, but I did find a thread. http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...threadid=48476 Ok, so it isn't your board and it isn't even your chipset, but the dern thing works at 3.06 gig in windows98se. The things different from when your slower P4 worked are the speed of the new one, hyperthreading, that you're overclocking the motherboard to run it, and that you installed it (Don't laugh. What I mean is possible changes to BIOS settings.). Ok, that thread shows that the CPU speed alone shouldn't be a killer and it suggests that neither is the hyperthreading, but I wonder just what state it's in when the motherboard can neither enable nor disable it. Intel says it 'must' be disabled in BIOS for win98se but that could simply mean 'not enabled', if you see what I mean. I.E. If there is a setting it's either one or the other so 'not one' is 'the other'. But you have 'nothing'. Let's assume, for the moment, it defaults to the 'disabled' you need. Next is the overclock. Put it at 100Mhz till the dern thing works, ok? Just to get that possibility off the table. One it runs you can bump it back up and worry about 'fixed', or not, PCI/AGP dividers. Now to BIOS. I don't know what the settings used to be, or if they are the same, but it seems suspicious that it hangs on installing things that previously installed. What is "pnp O.S." set for? Reverse it (not pnp is usually best). Do you have APIC enabled? DISABLE it. Frankly, I'm hoping this is your problem because win9x (all of them) does NOT support APIC and that will royally hose it up as windows will be unable to assign the IRQ. Past that, do a general recheck of your BIOS settings to see if something is different from when it worked but, as I mentioned, I'm betting on the APIC. |
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I'm referring to the NDIS update. I have a 3.0C and had the same problems
when I tried to load Win98. I downloaded the update 2 months or so ago but I use win2K now. "kony" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:34:13 GMT, "Baad Boy" wrote: ...I meant, you can load (Win98 SE) after the update. (Win98) has a fix but I could never find it--just a lot of sites claiming to have it for a sum of money. Not sure exactly what you're referring to but I may have it, if anyeone wants it I'd need more info to ID it though, KB/Q # or filename, etc. |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 05:38:40 GMT, "Baad Boy" wrote:
I'm referring to the NDIS update. I have a 3.0C and had the same problems when I tried to load Win98. I downloaded the update 2 months or so ago but I use win2K now. There's more than one NDIS update, basically with different version of NDIS.VXD. Previously in this thread I linked to one of them, http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=243199 , which includes NDIS 4.10.2224. Then there's the NDIS from WinME, 4.90.3000. If you had some other version of NDIS.VXD in mind, I'd need to know the KB or Q #, or filename, as I mentioned previously. |
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Dude, don't make this complicated, just read what I typed about Windows 98.
Of course there's several versions of NDIS updates. ...But, --The guy posted that he has a problem with Win98SE-- There's no need for an update to the WinME NDIS at all so why even mention it. And let the guy browse over to Bill Gates' site and do his own downloading, no need for anyone to be a middleman. I don't need the file so you don't need anything from me. "kony" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 05:38:40 GMT, "Baad Boy" wrote: I'm referring to the NDIS update. I have a 3.0C and had the same problems when I tried to load Win98. I downloaded the update 2 months or so ago but I use win2K now. There's more than one NDIS update, basically with different version of NDIS.VXD. Previously in this thread I linked to one of them, http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=243199 , which includes NDIS 4.10.2224. Then there's the NDIS from WinME, 4.90.3000. If you had some other version of NDIS.VXD in mind, I'd need to know the KB or Q #, or filename, as I mentioned previously. |
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X-No-Archive: yes
Ok. I did some looking around, and it ain't easy to find folks trying to run Win98se on P4s that fast, but I did find a thread. http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...threadid=48476 Ok, so it isn't your board and it isn't even your chipset, but the dern thing works at 3.06 gig in windows98se. The things different from when your slower P4 worked are the speed of the new one, hyperthreading, that you're overclocking the motherboard to run it, and that you installed it (Don't laugh. What I mean is possible changes to BIOS settings.). Ok, that thread shows that the CPU speed alone shouldn't be a killer and it suggests that neither is the hyperthreading, but I wonder just what state it's in when the motherboard can neither enable nor disable it. Intel says it 'must' be disabled in BIOS for win98se but that could simply mean 'not enabled', if you see what I mean. I.E. If there is a setting it's either one or the other so 'not one' is 'the other'. But you have 'nothing'. Let's assume, for the moment, it defaults to the 'disabled' you need. Next is the overclock. Put it at 100Mhz till the dern thing works, ok? Just to get that possibility off the table. One it runs you can bump it back up and worry about 'fixed', or not, PCI/AGP dividers. Now to BIOS. I don't know what the settings used to be, or if they are the same, but it seems suspicious that it hangs on installing things that previously installed. What is "pnp O.S." set for? Reverse it (not pnp is usually best). Do you have APIC enabled? DISABLE it. Frankly, I'm hoping this is your problem because win9x (all of them) does NOT support APIC and that will royally hose it up as windows will be unable to assign the IRQ. Past that, do a general recheck of your BIOS settings to see if something is different from when it worked but, as I mentioned, I'm betting on the APIC. Thanks for your help - I tried all the above serveral times and nothing worked. I can only assume its a BIOS bug now. Disabling ACPI IRQ steering works but then I get a pseudo safe mode windows which is no good. I also though it might have been APIC but it didnt solve it. Thanks anyway Ill just stick with XP for now. |
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127.0.0.1 wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes Ok. I did some looking around, and it ain't easy to find folks trying to run Win98se on P4s that fast, but I did find a thread. http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...threadid=48476 Ok, so it isn't your board and it isn't even your chipset, but the dern thing works at 3.06 gig in windows98se. The things different from when your slower P4 worked are the speed of the new one, hyperthreading, that you're overclocking the motherboard to run it, and that you installed it (Don't laugh. What I mean is possible changes to BIOS settings.). Ok, that thread shows that the CPU speed alone shouldn't be a killer and it suggests that neither is the hyperthreading, but I wonder just what state it's in when the motherboard can neither enable nor disable it. Intel says it 'must' be disabled in BIOS for win98se but that could simply mean 'not enabled', if you see what I mean. I.E. If there is a setting it's either one or the other so 'not one' is 'the other'. But you have 'nothing'. Let's assume, for the moment, it defaults to the 'disabled' you need. Next is the overclock. Put it at 100Mhz till the dern thing works, ok? Just to get that possibility off the table. One it runs you can bump it back up and worry about 'fixed', or not, PCI/AGP dividers. Now to BIOS. I don't know what the settings used to be, or if they are the same, but it seems suspicious that it hangs on installing things that previously installed. What is "pnp O.S." set for? Reverse it (not pnp is usually best). Do you have APIC enabled? DISABLE it. Frankly, I'm hoping this is your problem because win9x (all of them) does NOT support APIC and that will royally hose it up as windows will be unable to assign the IRQ. Past that, do a general recheck of your BIOS settings to see if something is different from when it worked but, as I mentioned, I'm betting on the APIC. Thanks for your help - I tried all the above serveral times and nothing worked. I can only assume its a BIOS bug now. Disabling ACPI IRQ steering works but then I get a pseudo safe mode windows which is no good. I don't know what you mean by a "pseudo safe mode." Disabling IRQ steering would mean everything needs a unique IRQ as PCI IRQ sharing, via IRQ steering, would be disabled but that shouldn't remove the drivers or cause 'safe mode' drivers to be used. In some ways, disabling IRQ steering can be an improvement, assuming you have enough IRQs for your hardware combination, because it removes a layer in the IRQ response time. Windows98(se) is perfectly happy without ACPI (you'd use APM for win98 to turn off the machine on shutdown). I also though it might have been APIC but it didnt solve it. There could be an interaction with the hyperthreading. APIC is required, for example, for SMP but I don't know if that is also the case with hyperthreading, so I'm just speculating. Thanks anyway Ill just stick with XP for now. |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:21:23 GMT, "Baad Boy" wrote:
Dude, don't make this complicated, just read what I typed about Windows 98. Of course there's several versions of NDIS updates. ...But, --The guy posted that he has a problem with Win98SE-- There's no need for an update to the WinME NDIS at all so why even mention it. And let the guy browse over to Bill Gates' site and do his own downloading, no need for anyone to be a middleman. I don't need the file so you don't need anything from me. You were the one that mentioned another patch which was only available from pay 'sites. I was trying to be helpful by determining if this was really true and if so, I may be able to provide it. The subtopic was NDIS, which isn't complicated at all, merely trying different versions of it. If it worries you to try WinME files or you don't see the significance of it simply being a more up to date version of Win9x, then don't try them. |
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