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Athlon 3200+ Temps
An old chestnut I guess.
My Athlon 3200 just will not idle below 47c and loads up to 53c, no matter what I do to my cooling. It now has a 120mm exhaust behind it, another 120 pulling in at the case front, there's even an 80mm intake on the case side-panel and a dual-fan PSU. System temp, even in warm weather, ranges from "just" 28 to 33c. I belive my Gigabyte board reads die temp, so that's something. On the one time my CPU reached 56c (doing BOINC) the system went down. On this basis, I'd be happy with a 42-49 range, even 50, but I don't like 52/53 or so, there's not enough headroom there for my tastes before the point I at hwich I know it can wobble over. I should add I run at only stock bus speeds. Currently I'm running with the stock cooler again as I got no improvements (actually a 2-3 degree worsening) when I tried a couple of large coolers with 80mm fans, e.g. TT Volcano, Akasa (not sure which). I use some Thermaltake grease I grabbed in PC World, which I gather is one of the Arctic Silvers. The Thermaltake cooler even has a 5,000 RPM fan, which simply deafens me but makes no odds. I remounted my stock cooler - if it's going to be hot either way I may as well have it melt in peace. I might be cocking up the paste application I suppose. And I don't lap my heatsinks or anything like that. I have cleaned with isopropyl where needed. And obviously, the original stuck on layer is all gone, in case anyone was going to ask.... Is it possible that, without special preparations, an Athlon of this type is never going to cool below these levels? My opinion is that if I can't get below 47c with any extra cooling applied, then there must be a bottleneck in the cooling, a limit in the interface with the heatsink, whatever, which makes my extra fans irrelevant to the processor. It just can't cool below this point, no matter what?? Air flow seems good. Putting my hand in, I can feel a lot of movement and no warm spots. The side fan seems to have removed a hot-spot that I had noticed near my Radeon. It is only a "normal" case, quite boring, not a cooling paradise, but chosen to at least have decent flow for 120mm fans (large holes) etc. It's tall, with so much clearance around everything, including the CPU. I even use some lovely round IDE/floppy cables and I've tried to pull all of them out of the flow... I'm a good boy really! Some might say that a peak just over 50c is not alarming for someone not going to extra lengths with the heatsink application. Some might say I'm screwing up the grease, too much, too little. I've tried applying it a dozen times, to the point that I am now holding off experiments for fear of damaging the socket or die with my heavy hands. Just want to sound out opinions. Should I just forget looking at the system mmonitor (Easytune) and get on with running the PC? It always possible that if it crashes after 2 hours gaming that something else failed, after all... What say you? Best, Ian. 3200 on Gigabyte 7VT-600RZ 512mb PC400 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0619-0, 08/05/2006 Tested on: 10/05/2006 00:37:26 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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I keep reading about people who have their CPUs running under 40C under
load, and if you take their word, with air cooling. I have no ****ing clue how they do it. I think I have an "adequate" set of fans in my case, and case temp hovers around 40C. My 2500+, overclocked to 3200+ and undervolted to 1.5V, runs about 46-48C idle depending on room temp. Under load it gets at high as 55C. Under stock voltage it can even go over 60C. I did everything I could to bring it down, I applied different amound of AS in various ways, but the temp never varied by more than a couple of degrees. Seems I'm even more "incompetent" than you, but I'll be damned if I didn't do my best. Finally I said, "Screw it, the thing's rated for 85C, what am I trying to accomplish anyway?" and left it at that. I even tried overvolting it to 1.85V, and actually managed to hit 70C at full load once (by that time the room got so hot I was sweating just being there). It never crashed, and not a single error in Prime95. That's why I'm a bit suspicious of it crashing at a mere 56C. I would look elsewhere for the culprit. "Ian" wrote in message newsp.s9a48ngszzltit@iano... An old chestnut I guess. My Athlon 3200 just will not idle below 47c and loads up to 53c, no matter what I do to my cooling. It now has a 120mm exhaust behind it, another 120 pulling in at the case front, there's even an 80mm intake on the case side-panel and a dual-fan PSU. System temp, even in warm weather, ranges from "just" 28 to 33c. I belive my Gigabyte board reads die temp, so that's something. On the one time my CPU reached 56c (doing BOINC) the system went down. On this basis, I'd be happy with a 42-49 range, even 50, but I don't like 52/53 or so, there's not enough headroom there for my tastes before the point I at hwich I know it can wobble over. |
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 00:37:25 +0100, Ian wrote:
What say you? It's all relative. To determine if you have good cooling, the case temp shouldn't be more than about 5C above room temp. The cpu temp shouldn't be more than 25C above case temp under load. A good cooler will keep that within 15C. The stock AMD K7 cooler is far from what I'd call good. A good cooler in the cheap range would be a TR2-M3. Cost about $8. Better than that would be a Thermalright ALX-800. The ALX-800 cost about $25 and is close to the best you can buy at any price if you can still find one. But I'd use the TR2-M3 on any K7 cpu even overclocked to 2400MHz or above. In fact, I have. Thermal compound is important only in the fact that you need some kind. I'm currently using 30 year old wheel bearing grease, and have been since Sept. 2005. Did it just to prove a point. Now that's all I use. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 07:30:04 +0100, Wes Newell
wrote: On Wed, 10 May 2006 00:37:25 +0100, Ian wrote: What say you? It's all relative. To determine if you have good cooling, the case temp shouldn't be more than about 5C above room temp. The cpu temp shouldn't be more than 25C above case temp under load. A good cooler will keep that within 15C. The stock AMD K7 cooler is far from what I'd call good. A good cooler in the cheap range would be a TR2-M3. Cost about $8. Better than that would be a Thermalright ALX-800. The ALX-800 cost about $25 and is close to the best you can buy at any price if you can still find one. But I'd use the TR2-M3 on any K7 cpu even overclocked to 2400MHz or above. In fact, I have. Thermal compound is important only in the fact that you need some kind. I'm currently using 30 year old wheel bearing grease, and have been since Sept. 2005. Did it just to prove a point. Now that's all I use. If I'm guilty of anything with the grease, it might be too little, too thin (hard to do I know!). So, I think my case temp is ok relative to the room and the CPU is an average 18c hotter than this under load. So it isn't bad? I'm quite good at most things but never really cracked the temps. I get thoughtful when I read of folks with 32c CPU temps, but I only really care because I don't think it's stable over 56. I will look at the coolers you mention Wesley (I'm in the UK). Someone naming favoured coolers from experience is what I was after. My CPU does quickly drop to the idle temp, but this seems to be it's floor at present, regardless of extra air and voodoo chanting. Cheers. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0619-1, 10/05/2006 Tested on: 10/05/2006 23:01:04 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:42:12 +0100, Mercury wrote:
I keep reading about people who have their CPUs running under 40C under load, and if you take their word, with air cooling. I have no ****ing clue how they do it. ;-)) I think I have an "adequate" set of fans in my case, and case temp hovers around 40C. My 2500+, overclocked to 3200+ and undervolted to 1.5V, runs about 46-48C idle depending on room temp. Under load it gets at high as 55C. Under stock voltage it can even go over 60C. I'm not an Overclocker but I am impressed that you can both overclock and undervolt. I'm reaching the conclusion that it doesn't really matter as long as it runs. If it crashes when I've been caning it for hours, I don't really know if it is my Radeo, at the end of the day. I have no measurements of the die temp of the GPU, after all. And the current HSF on that was also fitted by me! ;-) I did everything I could to bring it down, I applied different amound of AS in various ways, but the temp never varied by more than a couple of degrees. Seems I'm even more "incompetent" than you, but I'll be damned if I didn't do my best. I've tried it as a pea-sized blob being squashed down when the CPU is fitted, as a thin layer spread by me with a plastic edge, applied to the HSF instead, sworn at, prayed over, even applied with my finger (fingerprint/grease is a no-no!!) and I get bugger all change. It might as well be toothpaste - some say that's so, actualy, if only toothpaste didn't dry! I think it may prove that Arctic Silver and similar are over hyped, that the properties of filling gaps and not insulating too much may apply to simpler products. I was just reading Wes's comments (and I've heard him say this before) about wheel bearing grease. I'm being unfair. If you had a HSF that could really shift so much heat that the CPU could go down to 15c over case temp then I suppose you might see a change from better grease. Or not. Finally I said, "Screw it, the thing's rated for 85C, what am I trying to accomplish anyway?" and left it at that. It is rated to die forever (the usual kind of dying I suppose) at 85c. I even tried overvolting it to 1.85V, and actually managed to hit 70C at full load once (by that time the room got so hot I was sweating just being there). Yeah? I read an Australian review of the 3200+ in which the author stated that it made his case hot to the touch. What?! I have never experienced anything like that. I am sitting next to some pretty cold feeling metal, with cool breezes coming out of the vent holes. I know I'm unhappy at 50 or so degrees, but even so, WTF would one be doing to make this into a heater?! It never crashed, and not a single error in Prime95. I must try Prime 95 actually. That's why I'm a bit suspicious of it crashing at a mere 56C. I would look elsewhere for the culprit. Yeah - as I said above it might even be the Radeon. Mine can't provide a temp for monitoring. Gotta say, not so long ago, many motherboards were also without telemetry and you just stuck the HSF on and let it run! Sometimes I think I worry too much with this information just because it is there. Cheers. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0619-1, 10/05/2006 Tested on: 10/05/2006 23:14:05 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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"Ian" wrote in message newsp.s9cv1qkpzzltit@iano... On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:42:12 +0100, Mercury wrote: I'm not an Overclocker but I am impressed that you can both overclock and undervolt. That makes two of us. :-) I guess I just got lucky and got a gem of a processor (probably wasted on me, though). It definitely keeps the room cooler. It is rated to die forever (the usual kind of dying I suppose) at 85c. My BIOS gives the option of shutting down the computer when the CPU exceeds a certain temperature. I have it set at the lowest possible temp, that being 75C. I would expect it to freeze or display some kind of symptoms before actually crapping out on me. Yeah? I read an Australian review of the 3200+ in which the author stated that it made his case hot to the touch. What?! I have never experienced anything like that. I am sitting next to some pretty cold feeling metal, with cool breezes coming out of the vent holes. I know I'm unhappy at 50 or so degrees, but even so, WTF would one be doing to make this into a heater?! All the components probably put out between 200-300W (don't quote me, it's just a guess). Imagine three 100W light bulbs in a metal case. I think it's understandable for it to get a bit toasty. Probably air circulation in the room has a big effect, too. |
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:13:28 +0100, Mercury wrote:
"Ian" wrote in message newsp.s9cv1qkpzzltit@iano.... On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:42:12 +0100, Mercury wrote: I'm not an Overclocker but I am impressed that you can both overclock and undervolt. That makes two of us. :-) I guess I just got lucky and got a gem of a processor (probably wasted on me, though). It definitely keeps the room cooler. It is rated to die forever (the usual kind of dying I suppose) at 85c.. My BIOS gives the option of shutting down the computer when the CPU exceeds a certain temperature. I have it set at the lowest possible temp, that being 75C. I would expect it to freeze or display some kind of symptoms before actually crapping out on me. Well like you said, if it runs it runs. I think you said that! snip All the components probably put out between 200-300W (don't quote me, it's just a guess). Imagine three 100W light bulbs in a metal case. I think it's understandable for it to get a bit toasty. Probably air circulation in the room has a big effect, too. Yeah, I guess. I've got two HDDs and all the rest, but there just isn't radiant heat. I once had a cheapo 400w PSU that really pushed hot air out the back, which clearly wasn't exhaust heat it was it's OWN heat. My current decent quality 450 with two fans puts out only luke warm air. Inside the case feels cool and breezy if I slide my hand in afetr removing the top, for example. I guess I'm just lucky as this isn't one of those clever cooling cases or anything. Wa-hey!!! ;-)) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0619-2, 11/05/2006 Tested on: 11/05/2006 13:03:25 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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I have peletier chips running with Opertron 280 dual cpu. native no
peliteirs I get 48*C with Pel's on I get 21-23*C make sure you gota a large power sipply. I'm using a thermaltake 850 of which 175W is for my cooloing chips. Pure cooling with the adding of 2 120mm fans (250cfm each) I'm a bit loud. That's ok. But what the system can do, OUCH!! Also I have cold floor uptake vents on the floor in my office I have a snorkel vent that's charged by a 110V 6" fan my exaust Tenp is 29.5*C for the entire box. Wile room temp is 78*F "Ian" wrote in message newsp.s9a48ngszzltit@iano... An old chestnut I guess. My Athlon 3200 just will not idle below 47c and loads up to 53c, no matter what I do to my cooling. It now has a 120mm exhaust behind it, another 120 pulling in at the case front, there's even an 80mm intake on the case side-panel and a dual-fan PSU. System temp, even in warm weather, ranges from "just" 28 to 33c. I belive my Gigabyte board reads die temp, so that's something. On the one time my CPU reached 56c (doing BOINC) the system went down. On this basis, I'd be happy with a 42-49 range, even 50, but I don't like 52/53 or so, there's not enough headroom there for my tastes before the point I at hwich I know it can wobble over. I should add I run at only stock bus speeds. Currently I'm running with the stock cooler again as I got no improvements (actually a 2-3 degree worsening) when I tried a couple of large coolers with 80mm fans, e.g. TT Volcano, Akasa (not sure which). I use some Thermaltake grease I grabbed in PC World, which I gather is one of the Arctic Silvers. The Thermaltake cooler even has a 5,000 RPM fan, which simply deafens me but makes no odds. I remounted my stock cooler - if it's going to be hot either way I may as well have it melt in peace. I might be cocking up the paste application I suppose. And I don't lap my heatsinks or anything like that. I have cleaned with isopropyl where needed. And obviously, the original stuck on layer is all gone, in case anyone was going to ask.... Is it possible that, without special preparations, an Athlon of this type is never going to cool below these levels? My opinion is that if I can't get below 47c with any extra cooling applied, then there must be a bottleneck in the cooling, a limit in the interface with the heatsink, whatever, which makes my extra fans irrelevant to the processor. It just can't cool below this point, no matter what?? Air flow seems good. Putting my hand in, I can feel a lot of movement and no warm spots. The side fan seems to have removed a hot-spot that I had noticed near my Radeon. It is only a "normal" case, quite boring, not a cooling paradise, but chosen to at least have decent flow for 120mm fans (large holes) etc. It's tall, with so much clearance around everything, including the CPU. I even use some lovely round IDE/floppy cables and I've tried to pull all of them out of the flow... I'm a good boy really! Some might say that a peak just over 50c is not alarming for someone not going to extra lengths with the heatsink application. Some might say I'm screwing up the grease, too much, too little. I've tried applying it a dozen times, to the point that I am now holding off experiments for fear of damaging the socket or die with my heavy hands. Just want to sound out opinions. Should I just forget looking at the system mmonitor (Easytune) and get on with running the PC? It always possible that if it crashes after 2 hours gaming that something else failed, after all... What say you? Best, Ian. 3200 on Gigabyte 7VT-600RZ 512mb PC400 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0619-0, 08/05/2006 Tested on: 10/05/2006 00:37:26 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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Demnos wrote:
I have peletier chips running with Opertron 280 dual cpu. native no peliteirs I get 48*C with Pel's on I get 21-23*C make sure you gota a large power sipply. I'm using a thermaltake 850 of which 175W is for my cooloing chips. Pure cooling with the adding of 2 120mm fans (250cfm each) I'm a bit loud. That's ok. But what the system can do, OUCH!! Also I have cold floor uptake vents on the floor in my office I have a snorkel vent that's charged by a 110V 6" fan my exaust Tenp is 29.5*C for the entire box. Wile room temp is 78*F Demnos, I haven't returned to this thread for a while since, despite changing to a more approved cooler, I have hit a minimum temp, which I can't get below no matter what air I move and how. System is seemingly stable in the highest ambient temps it has ever encountered here in the UK, so I have relaxed my obsession and I just let it run. Lately I have been thrashing it with video editing and it has not fallen over. If I play games for extremely prolonged periods it might, once in a while, crap out on me, however there is a growing suspicion this is the bloody driver for my sound card! Long story that. Anyway, your rig and your temps are very impressive. I have only a 450w supply, which was a good branded model with good fans, but not in the same class! I know there is more I could do, but as I said, regarding air cooling, I now feel that three more fans (for which there is no room) would make no difference, it needs something else and I'm not going there at this time. Probably mostly it needs a better case. I have the illusion of size and ventilation, but in reality I am not so sure. What this case does have is a rather restrictive pattern of holes for the poor fans to strain through. One day I might remove everything and get out a Dremel to widen these, or cut the apertures right out and put guards over instead. I fancy that! This would really change the airflow. Gotat be bothered to strip the system out of the case, but I'm getting the urge, LOL. Thanks 4 input. Enjoy your cool system! "Ian" wrote in message newsp.s9a48ngszzltit@iano... An old chestnut I guess. snip my original post as it is now at the bottom, LOL |
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"Demnos" wrote in message news:RY4rg.53723$fG3.10839@dukeread09... I have peletier chips running with Opertron 280 dual cpu. native no peliteirs I get 48*C with Pel's on I get 21-23*C make sure you gota a large power sipply. I'm using a thermaltake 850 of which 175W is for my cooloing chips. Pure cooling with the adding of 2 120mm fans (250cfm each) I'm a bit loud. That's ok. But what the system can do, OUCH!! Also I have cold floor uptake vents on the floor in my office I have a snorkel vent that's charged by a 110V 6" fan my exaust Tenp is 29.5*C for the entire box. Wile room temp is 78*F "Ian" wrote in message newsp.s9a48ngszzltit@iano... An old chestnut I guess. My Athlon 3200 just will not idle below 47c and loads up to 53c, no matter what I do to my cooling. It now has a 120mm exhaust behind it, another 120 pulling in at the case front, there's even an 80mm intake on the case side-panel and a dual-fan PSU. System temp, even in warm weather, ranges from "just" 28 to 33c. I belive my Gigabyte board reads die temp, so that's something. On the one time my CPU reached 56c (doing BOINC) the system went down. On this basis, I'd be happy with a 42-49 range, even 50, but I don't like 52/53 or so, there's not enough headroom there for my tastes before the point I at hwich I know it can wobble over. I should add I run at only stock bus speeds. Currently I'm running with the stock cooler again as I got no improvements (actually a 2-3 degree worsening) when I tried a couple of large coolers with 80mm fans, e.g. TT Volcano, Akasa (not sure which). I use some Thermaltake grease I grabbed in PC World, which I gather is one of the Arctic Silvers. The Thermaltake cooler even has a 5,000 RPM fan, which simply deafens me but makes no odds. I remounted my stock cooler - if it's going to be hot either way I may as well have it melt in peace. I might be cocking up the paste application I suppose. And I don't lap my heatsinks or anything like that. I have cleaned with isopropyl where needed. And obviously, the original stuck on layer is all gone, in case anyone was going to ask.... Is it possible that, without special preparations, an Athlon of this type is never going to cool below these levels? My opinion is that if I can't get below 47c with any extra cooling applied, then there must be a bottleneck in the cooling, a limit in the interface with the heatsink, whatever, which makes my extra fans irrelevant to the processor. It just can't cool below this point, no matter what?? Air flow seems good. Putting my hand in, I can feel a lot of movement and no warm spots. The side fan seems to have removed a hot-spot that I had noticed near my Radeon. It is only a "normal" case, quite boring, not a cooling paradise, but chosen to at least have decent flow for 120mm fans (large holes) etc. It's tall, with so much clearance around everything, including the CPU. I even use some lovely round IDE/floppy cables and I've tried to pull all of them out of the flow... I'm a good boy really! Some might say that a peak just over 50c is not alarming for someone not going to extra lengths with the heatsink application. Some might say I'm screwing up the grease, too much, too little. I've tried applying it a dozen times, to the point that I am now holding off experiments for fear of damaging the socket or die with my heavy hands. Just want to sound out opinions. Should I just forget looking at the system mmonitor (Easytune) and get on with running the PC? It always possible that if it crashes after 2 hours gaming that something else failed, after all... What say you? Best, Ian. 3200 on Gigabyte 7VT-600RZ 512mb PC400 You don't mention which operating system you use. If it's Windows XP. Make sure "Enable processor HLT" or similar is enabled in your BIOS. This will cool the processor during idle times and anything other than full load. If your BIOS doesn't have this feature there's a neat little program called CPUIdle. That enables the same featuure in software. Simply search for it in any search engine. As for Thermaltake grease being the same as Artic Silver. That is definitely wrong. While it does the same job, it doesn't do it anywhere near as well. If you can use Artic Silver 5. And when applying any thermal compound use the thinnest layer possible. Too much can actually act as an insulator and keep the heatsink from working. |
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